Steel 0 #26 August 2, 2006 QuoteQuotemany things currently are possible. Its possible that there is nothing really wrong with Castro and that this may be a test to find out what the public reaction will be in Cuba. I expect many people will indeed take to the streets in attempts to overthrow the regime. If at that point Castro is indeed ok, many more will be slaughtered by his military and ofcourse nobody in Miami will be celebrating. The other possibility is that he may already be dead or indeed is seriously ill. This is the first time ever since he and his thugs conquered the island that he has seceeded power, so that may be a good sign. If this is the case, I am sure that Raul will be assasinted quickly unless he is exiled even quicker to some country that will gladly take him with all the blood money from the regime. I doubt this is a, "let's see what happens" ploy or that he is dead already. ----------------------------------------------- I hope you are right as I would hate to see more Cubans die trying to overthrow the government unsuccessfully. Also I am starting to think that this is less likely. ============================= He probably is seriously ill, however, and chose to hand over power to his brother before he became incapacitated. Just this transfer of power alone has created uprising and talks of overthrowing the current regime, can you imagine the momentum such a movement would have if he died while still in office? F. Castro would want to avoid that at all costs. -------------------------------------------------------- This line of reasoning I disagree with. Ever since Fidel and his thugs overthrew the government, things have continued to get worse in Cuba and Castro knows or knew this. This is why he blocked out all comunication from the ordinary Cubans citizens to the free world, to keep them from see how much better life is outside the hell hole he created. Still even with the fall of the Soviet Union and all of the Socialist Republics he has maintained the status quo, knowing that he is keeping the country down. I think he has done so out of ego because he cares only about himself, and has agreed to the transfer of power because at the very least he is totally incapacitated and may even have been co-erced into signing a paper which he couldn't even read. ,If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #27 August 2, 2006 The Cuban Americans, and successive US administrations pandering to the Cuban lobby, have played into Castro's hands for 4 decades now. Had the US not set Cuba up as a martyr state the regime would have fallen years ago.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steel 0 #28 August 2, 2006 Quote The Cuban Americans, and successive US administrations pandering to the Cuban lobby, have played into Castro's hands for 4 decades now. Had the US not set Cuba up as a martyr state the regime would have fallen years ago. That is an interesting theory and can't say I see and direct relation from which you are basing it. I am not sure what you mean by a martyr state, but it certainly sounds illogical to think that by easing pressure off a ruthless dictator, he would be more likely to be overthrown. ,If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #29 August 2, 2006 QuoteQuote The Cuban Americans, and successive US administrations pandering to the Cuban lobby, have played into Castro's hands for 4 decades now. Had the US not set Cuba up as a martyr state the regime would have fallen years ago. That is an interesting theory and can't say I see and direct relation from which you are basing it. I am not sure what you mean by a martyr state, but it certainly sounds illogical to think that by easing pressure off a ruthless dictator, he would be more likely to be overthrown. , We traded with USSR, we traded with Poland, we traded with Hungary, E. Germany, Czechoslovakia... and all their dictatorships failed. Even PRC has become capitalist thanks to trade. We don't trade with N. Korea or Cuba, and they survive as oppressive, poverty stricken regimes. See the pattern? Castro is OUR boogeyman.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steel 0 #30 August 2, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote The Cuban Americans, and successive US administrations pandering to the Cuban lobby, have played into Castro's hands for 4 decades now. Had the US not set Cuba up as a martyr state the regime would have fallen years ago. That is an interesting theory and can't say I see and direct relation from which you are basing it. I am not sure what you mean by a martyr state, but it certainly sounds illogical to think that by easing pressure off a ruthless dictator, he would be more likely to be overthrown. , We traded with USSR, we traded with Poland, we traded with Hungary, E. Germany, Czechoslovakia... and all their dictatorships failed. Even PRC has become capitalist thanks to trade. We don't trade with N. Korea or Cuba, and they survive as oppressive, poverty stricken regimes. See the pattern? Castro is OUR boogeyman. I see the pattern, but I think you are mistaking cause for effect. and btw. Castro IS indeed a sadistic criminally insane mad man. That is NOT propaganda. Swedan is extremely Socialist and for that reason I would never want to live there. However, I have never heard any reports of Swedes trying to escape and for that reason being killed on the spot by the Swedish government. Through meetings Reagan was able to pursuade Gorbachev to open up his mind to better ideas. However, that has never been possible with Castro. Castro, like Kim Jong Il is just a flat out asshole with stupid ideas, atotal disregard for personal freedom and human life. Therefore nothing positive can come out of dealing with him. This is the logic being used by the U.S. in forming foreign policy and it makes much more sense to me than your logic. ,If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #31 August 2, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote The Cuban Americans, and successive US administrations pandering to the Cuban lobby, have played into Castro's hands for 4 decades now. Had the US not set Cuba up as a martyr state the regime would have fallen years ago. That is an interesting theory and can't say I see and direct relation from which you are basing it. I am not sure what you mean by a martyr state, but it certainly sounds illogical to think that by easing pressure off a ruthless dictator, he would be more likely to be overthrown. , We traded with USSR, we traded with Poland, we traded with Hungary, E. Germany, Czechoslovakia... and all their dictatorships failed. Even PRC has become capitalist thanks to trade. We don't trade with N. Korea or Cuba, and they survive as oppressive, poverty stricken regimes. See the pattern? Castro is OUR boogeyman. I see the pattern, but I think you are mistaking cause for effect. and btw. Castro IS indeed a sadistic criminally insane mad man. That is NOT propaganda. Swedan is extremely Socialist and for that reason I would never want to live there. However, I have never heard any reports of Swedes trying to escape and for that reason being killed on the spot by the Swedish government. Through meetings Reagan was able to pursuade Gorbachev to open up his mind to better ideas. However, that has never been possible with Castro. Castro, like Kim Jong Il is just a flat out asshole with stupid ideas, atotal disregard for personal freedom and human life. Therefore nothing positive can come out of dealing with him. This is the logic being used by the U.S. in forming foreign policy and it makes much more sense to me than your logic. , Sweden is irrelevant since it is a democracy. Have you heard of the Berlin Wall? Really? We traded with E. Germany and the USSR. WE (and particularly the Cuban-American lobby) made Castro.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steel 0 #32 August 2, 2006 Quote WE (and particularly the Cuban-American lobby) made Castro. If by withdrawing military support to Batista in 1958, you mean the U.S. made Castro then fine. Here is a link to educate yourself with http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/cuba1.htm As for the Cuban-Americans the fact that 1500 Cuban-Americans were trained by the CIA (after Castro declared himself a communist), and some risked while others lost their lives going back to Cuba to fight Castro, tell me that you statement is Jibberish.If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #33 August 2, 2006 QuoteThrough meetings Reagan was able to pursuade Gorbachev to open up his mind to better ideas. You really believe this? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steel 0 #34 August 2, 2006 QuoteQuoteThrough meetings Reagan was able to pursuade Gorbachev to open up his mind to better ideas. You really believe this? No I just like to post jibberish from time to time to help keep up with you, Bill and GTA. How am I doing?If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #35 August 2, 2006 agreeing that is jibberish is at least a start.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #36 August 2, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteThrough meetings Reagan was able to pursuade Gorbachev to open up his mind to better ideas. You really believe this? No I just like to post jibberish from time to time to help keep up with you, Bill and GTA. How am I doing? Not even close. But you are getting there. Practice, young jedi, practice. Maybe as a trade-off you could teach me how to post with more arrogance and browbeating?Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #37 August 2, 2006 QuoteNo I just like to post jibberish from time to time to help keep up with you, Bill and GTA. Hey, there's 'Gibberish' - like you meant for Bill and dekker and yourself but then there's "jibberish" like GTAs and Rebeccas and some others one fun and mocking, the other is a bit serious you figure out which is which, if you can't, time for a vacation ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #38 August 2, 2006 QuoteMaybe as a trade-off you could teach me how to post with more arrogance and browbeating? no need to restrict yourself to one mentor around here - there's plenty to go around ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
