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Terrorist attacks on Americans

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akarunway    1

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How can you count those as terrorist attacks, in Iraq we have placed ourselves on the battlefield with the terrorists in an effort to draw them into the fight. That's not a terrorist attack, it's called combat.

We left the terrorist battlefield when we pulled the vast majority of our troops out of Afghanistan. Iraq is not part of the so called "war on terror" unless of course you want to look at the Iraq war as a means for cultivating more terrorists.

You are right about how the majority of those attacks in the list though were against soldiers, kind of funny how the US public couldn't give two shits less about the loss of a few soldiers, but when civilians get attacked its horrible. Oh wait, I forgot, we're soldiers, we're expendable and mean nothing to the public we protect[:/][:/]



To the contrary. Soldiers are not expendable and it sickens me that our civilian leadership has repeatedly ignored our military leadership in favor of this middle east imperialism campaign. Our soldiers have been performing valiantly considering that they were sent to do a job that they were not trained or equipped for. And when something bad happens, instead of respect the soldiers get blamed for carrying out orders that originated in the offices of the Pentagon lawyers. Add in the multiple tours, the stop loss programs and the poor pay and health care shortcomings and you have only scratched the surface on how this civilian leadership has abused our military. Instead of Bush, Rummy, Cheney, Rice and the rest of the warmongering bunch saying that they stand *behind* our troops, I say let them put up or shut up and stand in *front* of our troops. That would be leadership.

But, but, but, didn't Condi just fly into Lebanon? Kinda funny the Israelis quit shelling for the two days tho. Ya think maybe Washington has some say so in the Israeli attacks/.;);););) Say it ain't so
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rushmc    23

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Recently terrorist attacks against the US have all but diminished.



Many of the terrorist attacks cited in that article were directed against US soldiers. Surely the insurgent attacks on US soldiers in Iraq should similarly be counted as terrorist attacks on the US? In that case they've not diminished but hit record highs.


Except most of the Iraq attacks are not on troops now are they. Most of the attacks are on other Iraqis. US troop loses are now very low. Even the tolal losses for the war are less than the murders in Detroit for a year.



Maybe it's time to declare war on crime?



Just give all the law abiding people hand guns and crime will go down:P
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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matthewcline    0

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Bill,

Timmermans book has the claim from Iran (about Bin Laden) and it is quoted in the Intel references in the appendix. The book "Guests of the Ahyatolla" (sp) written by the gentleman who wrote "Blackhawk Down" (his name excapes me at the moment) has some referances to the same subject too.

And his claim (backed by some Gov folks from the time and current in history) is the Religious leadership of Iran declared the war on the West prior to the hostage taking and has built on the goal of Islamic world rule ever since.

Kallend, Kelpdiver

N.Korea did a test of a nuke delivery missile a while back (10 years?). Iran made the statement about thier Nuke program and its abilities.

Iran may not be completely truthful but Interpol, the IAEA and several EU country Intel organizations all beleive them to be right. That is one of the reasons France re-aimed thier weapons. Additionally Russia, China and N.Korea all admitted to the assitance they gave Iran over the last 25+ years. Of course France, Germany, the UK, the US and others all help out in some way at some time too.

I actually agree with the three of you on many of your points (I hold no political party affiliation but if I was to be "labeled" I suppose I would be a moderate) and see this as a lagitamate world concern.

Iran and the US simular? I think there are a few differences Prof. that make our ideas a little less scary. One being the destruction of a country just because a book is misread.

I also don't think Iran and Iraq can't be a good comparison, yes we did befriend Saddam, but not the current Iranian regime. What assiatnce we did give them was prior to the ruler change and the knowledge has just been kept and passed along.
Where as in Iraq we helped and then we had a problem, much like Panama a few years ago.

Its just my opinion.
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matthewcline    0

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If true, it is scary. But I don't know if he is hearing voices or just listening to the voices of poor advisors.

But making fun of a mans mental facilities does little to advance a discussion.

The "voices in his head" argument can be used on both sides of this endeavor.

Iran, Bin Laden, the Pope and many others say they are doing Gods will. How do the yknow that? They claim it is written and what was written is his voice and what he commands.

Is this argument to be a means to judge ones mental aptitude to lead? If so, Tony Blair is just as insane as Bush, Clinton, Kerry, Bin Laden, Saddam Hitler and any other leader who has a belief.

So now I do not give that argument much weight. The poor advice is a better argument in my opinion.
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warpedskydiver    0

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Read "Countdown to Crisis" by Ken Timmerman.
In his book he has copies of plenty of Iranian Intel Documents that state (in his interpretation);

Iran already has Nuclear Weapons wit hthe range to wipe outIsreal and reach Eurpoe.

Iran as late as 2005 hosted Bin Laden and continues to fund and aide his organization.

Iran has funded, trained and advised Hezbala (Iranian soldiers have been identified post mortem in Lebanon, as reported in the national media)

Iran has in the past, and even as recent as last year at an address in NY at the UN, stated the desire to aide terroists in the distrcution of Isreal and America and "her Imperialistic Infidel allies".

Reading that book, plus many others and the Intel my job allows me to see, I say we actually did get attacked by Iran, although through a proxy force. Much like we hoped to accomplish in Cuba, Nicaragua, El Salvador and in Asia.

Iran is probably the biggest Radical Ilsam run country in the world and in my opinion the worlds biggest danger.



That I believe is closest to the truth

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billvon    3,110

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>> Has Israel conducted a test? N. Korea?

>None needed, a computer will suffice.

You mean, you can simulate and not have to test?

Currently, not even the US feels that simulation is sufficient to design a modern nuclear weapon without testing. There's currently an effort underway to replace many of the US nuclear weapons with a more reliable, easier to maintain design, and some proponents think that simulation (on the world's fastest computers, with data from dozens of our previous tests) is sufficient. Most scientists and military planners, however, disagree, and think that a test is required before a nuclear-weapon design can be proven.

Iran and North Korea don't have the computer power or test data that we have, and thus are even farther off from being able to design such weapons in the absence of testing.

That being said, there is one design (gun-based prompt-critical U235 design) that doesn't need much in the way of simulation or testing. We dropped one in Japan without testing it because we were so sure it would work. Fortunately it's also the largest, heaviest nuclear weapon possible, and is one of the easiest to detect.

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>> Has Israel conducted a test? N. Korea?

>None needed, a computer will suffice.

You mean, you can simulate and not have to test?

Currently, not even the US feels that simulation is sufficient to design a modern nuclear weapon without testing. There's currently an effort underway to replace many of the US nuclear weapons with a more reliable, easier to maintain design, and some proponents think that simulation (on the world's fastest computers, with data from dozens of our previous tests) is sufficient. Most scientists and military planners, however, disagree, and think that a test is required before a nuclear-weapon design can be proven.

Iran and North Korea don't have the computer power or test data that we have, and thus are even farther off from being able to design such weapons in the absence of testing.

That being said, there is one design (gun-based prompt-critical U235 design) that doesn't need much in the way of simulation or testing. We dropped one in Japan without testing it because we were so sure it would work. Fortunately it's also the largest, heaviest nuclear weapon possible, and is one of the easiest to detect.



I did not say it was a great idea, I just was saying it can be done.

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Holy crap. Do you realize how badly you are being played? The only buzz word you've not repeated from RushOReillyHannitySavage etc. is "World War 3". Or did I miss that one?



Sorry, but you are the one being played.

Do you see any similarities to what is happening now and when Hitler was coming into power and biulding the German war machine?



Are you talking about here in the US or over in Israel? If you're talking about the US then yes. The parallels of a bible weilding zealot using a deadly national disaster and propaganda to galvanize an increasingly nationalistic society into supporting militarization and waging imperialistic war while simultaneously reining in civil liberties is quite similar. (breathe)
If you're talking about Israel, the I'd have to say yes as well. I find it quite ironic that a nation created as the result of war involving genocidal hatred would itself have no qualms about resorting to the genocidal hatred of its neighbors.

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rushmc    23

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Are you talking about here in the US or over in Israel? If you're talking about the US then yes. The parallels of a bible weilding zealot........



I got this far and quite reading your hate filled shit.....
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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idrankwhat    0

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Iran is probably the biggest Radical Ilsam run country in the world and in my opinion the worlds biggest danger.



That I believe is closest to the truth



Not me. Iran gets Nukes, we agree to deal with them as "members of the club" and we offer to buy their oil from them. Admittedly it will cost more than we really want to pay but hey, that's what the free market is about right? We'll then turn a blind eye to their style of government and any human rights issues we might have because they're our "allies" now, just like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan....etc.
I see the biggest threat to the world and to the US in particular is overreaching western nation building and imperialism exercises. I may have posted this quote earlier but....it's from the inside cover of Kevin Phillips' "American Theocracy".
"From ancient Rome to the British Empire, Phillips demonstrates that every world-dominating power has been brought down by an overlapping set of problems: a foolish combination of global overreach, militant religion, diminishing resources, and ballooning debt.

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Are you talking about here in the US or over in Israel? If you're talking about the US then yes. The parallels of a bible weilding zealot........



I got this far and quite reading your hate filled shit.....



For "hate filled shit" re-read your own posts. You might scare even yourself. The fact that you don't see the parallels scares the crap out of me.

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rushmc    23

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Are you talking about here in the US or over in Israel? If you're talking about the US then yes. The parallels of a bible weilding zealot........



I got this far and quite reading your hate filled shit.....



For "hate filled shit" re-read your own posts. You might scare even yourself. The fact that you don't see the parallels scares the crap out of me.



Post one up! I am waiting with baited breath. Will I be seeing the same calling you like to use?:o
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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