Religion of peace brings more peace to Seattle

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Well folks... I guess they deserved it huh...right here in Seattle

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14082298/

SEATTLE - One person was killed and at least five were injured by gunshots Friday afternoon at the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle, authorities said. A suspect was arrested, and a witness told a newspaper the man said he was a Muslim who was angry at Israel.

One of the wounded had been described as a 43-year-old woman who was shot in the abdomen while another, described as 17 weeks pregnant, was reportedly hit in the arm, The Seattle Times reported

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003159826_webbelltown28.html


Even as rabbis were trying to find out more about security in preparation for tonight's services, Robert Jacobs, the regional director of the Anti-Defamation League, was issuing a recommendation to every Jewish institution, synagogue and temple that they get their people out of their buildings "until we find out if it's a lone incident."

"We're trying to keep the community as calm as possible," he added. Rabbi Daniel Weiner of Temple De Hirsch Sinai had said he was checking with police to see if security there needed to be bolstered, if indeed, the shootings were related to wider issues.

But several rabbis said they were continuing with services anyway.

"Even if [the shooting] is based on hate, we're not going to let that have any kind of victory over our community gathering," said Rabbi Jonathan Singer of Seattle's Temple Beth Am.

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So...

Is this a sad reflection on American gun control?

Or are you still on your "All Muslims are Evil Murderous Vermin" - "All Israelis are peace-loving Jews who wouldn't hurt a fly" kick?

Isn't it possible that this springs directly out of Israel's current actions - the idiotic actions of an individual?

I wonder why he did it? What his personal motivation was? Could it be rage at the blind American support for Israel? Has a US supplied bomb killed some of his family?

I remember saying in another post that America's support of Israel by supplying them arms would at some point cause American suffering.

In the meantime, Here's yet more Muslim Vermin Propaganda

Interestingly, Israel has now shifted focus away from "decimating Hezb'Allah" to "Establishing a Hezb'Allah free security zone"! Y'All heard it here first.

Mike.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

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Or are you still on your "All Muslims are Evil Murderous Vermin" - "All Israelis are peace-loving Jews who wouldn't hurt a fly" kick?

I never said such a thing.. BUT the religion of Peace is certainly bringing much pain to the world.

I think the Israelis are doing and have done some bad things.. BUT


IT always seem like the peace loving religion manages ALWAYS to attack the non combatants.. here he shot 6 women... who were jews.. who were working at the Jewish equivalent of the United Way... a charitable organization..

I guess you approve of killing jews by all the venom you drip in your posts about them....sounds like someone is a fellow traveller of the skinheads.

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>sounds like someone is a fellow traveller of the skinheads.

Your one warning.

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I guess you approve of killing jews by all the venom you drip in your posts about them....sounds like someone is a fellow traveller of the skinheads.

I suspect and hope you are pretty much alone in that opinion of me.

How about composing responses to the arguments instead of composing gratuitous insults and unfounded accusations?

World opinion is NOT with Israel on it's current actions in Lebanon. I'll continue to comment on same.

Mike.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

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IT always seem like the peace loving religion manages ALWAYS to attack the non combatants.. here he shot 6 women... who were jews...

Alternatively:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Arabism

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/966980.stm

http://www.unhcr.org/cgi-bin/texis/vtx/rsd/rsddocview.html?tbl=RSDCOI&id=437c9cec32&count=2

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Society_&_Culture/sikkuy2002.html

I'm sure that the worst of these actions are the work of extremists and do not reflect the actions of the vast majority of Israelis... Just as the attacks on Israel & inherent (rather than reactive) anti-Semitism do not reflect the actions of the vast majority of Palestinians & Lebanese.

RSVP?

Mike.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

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I see your 4 links and raise you a couple links.

http://www.adl.org/Anti_semitism/miami_herald.asp
Like a warning from the past, history's images are reflected in today's headlines. In European countries -- including England, France, Greece, Germany and the Ukraine -- violent anti-Semitic attacks currently target Jewish people and property, often using the tactics of the Nazi era.

http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/HistoryJewishPersecution.htm

A VERY LONG list of attacks on innocent people


http://www.antisemitism.org.il/frontend/english/ForumReport.asp

More current list from around the world and VERY up to date.

http://astro.temple.edu/~hfreiden/Antisemitism/timeline.htm

1956 A.D.
Jews expelled out of EGYPT.

1969 A.D.
JEWS EXECUTED IN IRAQ.

http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/krauthammer072806.php3
What other country sustains 1,500 indiscriminate rocket attacks into its cities — every one designed to kill, maim and terrorize civilians — and is then vilified by the world when it tries to destroy the enemy's infrastructure and strongholds with precision-guided munitions that sometimes have the unintended but unavoidable consequence of collateral civilian death and suffering?


Hearing the world pass judgment on the Israel-Hezbollah war as it unfolds is to live in an Orwellian moral universe. With a few significant exceptions (the leadership of the United States, Britain, Australia, Canada and a very few others), the world — governments, the media, U.N. bureaucrats — has completely lost its moral bearings


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_anti-Semitism

I had to get a Wikipedia link.. just for you.

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I'm sure that the worst of these actions are the work of extremists and do not reflect the actions of the vast majority of Israelis... Just as the attacks on Israel & inherent (rather than reactive) anti-Semitism do not reflect the actions of the vast majority of Palestinians & Lebanese.

On the other hand I am quite sure its just anti-semitism as usual. England has a LONG history of atrocities against jews.... or are you just pissed that they took the piss out of your guys when they made you go home to your Island back in the 1940's

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Side note : Antisemetic does NOT only mean anti Jewish... it means anti - Semites i.e peoples who speak Semitic languages; the group includes Arabs, Aramaeans, Jews, and many Ethiopians.


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I also find it very interesting that some people are quick to accuse others of discrimination, whilst their country is currently imorraly (at best) holding massive numbers of people who have not been found guilty of anything and aren't even honest enough to do so in their own counrty.

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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I'm just waiting for the first clown who will jump and say "it's not terror, its a hate crime" like they did in the LAX shooting a while ago

O

"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

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I also find it very interesting that some people are quick to accuse others of discrimination, whilst their country is currently imorraly (at best) holding massive numbers of people who have not been found guilty of anything and aren't even honest enough to do so in their own counrty

Yes it might include all those peoples BUT the reality is it is the Jewish people that have felt the brunt of it for 2 millenia....If the other semitic peoples had been persecuted as much.. there would not be enough of them in the middle east to have the millions of them who hate their fellow semites....the cildren of the LEGITIMATE son of Abraham... how much of the strife is based on the Arabs feeling of inadequacy.. being the decendants of ILLEGITIMATE son of the same patriarch.

You are forgetting who you are talking to here... you KNOW how I feel about this administration. I think if these people were caught fighting US Forces.. they should be held as POW's until the war is over. If they are members of AQ..... and perpetrated attacks against the US or its allies.. then they are criminals and need to be tried in a court of law.. and if found guilty THEN put then in prisions .. for the rest of their unnatural lives. The worst thing you can do to them is deny them the martyrdom they seek.


BUT when crap like what happened yesterday here in Seattle goes down where a Pakistani attacks a group of innocent women because they are working in a Jewish charitable organization... one that helps less fortunate people... THAT is an attrocity.....no matter how much you want to apologize for it by talking about how terrible Israel is.

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Of course its terrorism no one would realistically deny that.
But what irks me, is the disproportionate response and I cannt see any sensible justification for the slaughter of more innocents. Can you?

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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Again why call me an apologist? It's getting rather tiresome and just a bit offensive.

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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Again why call me an apologist?

When people come on here and say things that sound like an apology for the muslims to attack jews.... call it what you will.

Perhaps you have not but others in SC have and that is rather tiresome as well and far more than just a little offensive.

Just look above.. and there it is...

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Isn't it possible that this springs directly out of Israel's current actions - the idiotic actions of an individual?

I wonder why he did it? What his personal motivation was? Could it be rage at the blind American support for Israel? Has a US supplied bomb killed some of his family?

I remember saying in another post that America's support of Israel by supplying them arms would at some point cause American suffering.

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O.K then perhaps, you should be directing your replies to them and not me. That's not my fight. I've stated my case and I believe politely. So on that note. I'm gone.

Regards,

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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In order to show that it isn't ALWAYS Muslims attacking jews I quote:

"Wikipaedia" (despite the saying: "Beware of the Wiki-Finn)

"The BBC" (surely the most independent for news sources - for reasons already discussed)

"The United Nations High Commission for Refugees"

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"The Jewish Virtual Library" (a Jewish source).

What I get back is:

"The Anti Jewish Defence League"

"Judaism Online"

"Antisemitism.Org" (meaning exclusively anti-Jew)

& a page written by a person who exclusively publishes Jewish history.

None of which actually support your original premise:

"IT always seem like the peace loving religion (Islam) manages ALWAYS to attack the non combatants"(Jews).

I'm trying to prove that there have been and are injustices on BOTH sides. Can you not see that? Further, my recent posts have attacked the ACTIONS of Israel. They have not attacked Judaism. Can you not see the difference?

Mike.

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"...just anti-semitism as usual. England has a LONG history of atrocities against jews.... or are you just pissed that they took the piss out of your guys when they made you go home to your Island back in the 1940's"

OK. What am I being (baselessly) accused of here? Nazism? Fightning against Nazism? Being English? It seems that anyone who questions you is ipso-facto a Jew-Hater.

PPS: IF you REALLY want to find atrocities against Jews, look up "Pogrom", The earlier 20th Century actions of Russia & Eastrern Europe was surely the "Hurricane" to Nazism's "Tornado".

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

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Of course its terrorism no one would realistically deny that

look up the incident i was talking about in LAX and see that people insisted on calling it "a hate crime" and not a terror attack.

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But what irks me, is the disproportionate response

the response is disproportinate. what would you suggest? one missile per one katyusha rocket?
the problem is Hizbollah sitting on the border and shooting whenever it wants.
this problem will not disappear with "one for one" response. it will either go away by the lebanese government taking care of its on land (which they haven't or sadly, by Israel who is forced to go in and remove the knife from its throat.

and on a side note, I regret the loss of innocent lives and there are such losses on both sides, but i do not count as "innocent lives" those who are Hizbollah fighters with civilian clothes and not even civilians who live in a house which also store ammunision and rockets.

"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

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I [mostly] understand the problem (as much as anyone can from a distance) but attacking fleeing refugees and UN observers is not doing Isreal's cause any good at all. Nor is the daily visual of kids and elderly suffering (yes on both sides). There has to be a better way.

Once a people are bombed back to the stone age, they'll have nothing and thus nothing to loose.

Also, I doubt that all of the civilians that live in an area where weapons may be stored do so willingly. Terror works on them too.

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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attacking fleeing refugees and UN observers is not doing Isreal's cause any good at all.

agreed.
I can assure you (although I cannot prove it) that the attack on the UN outpost was a mistake and was not deliberate.
Israel has nothing to gain from attacking a UN post. we have a lot of complaints about UNIFIL because they're not doing their job and allowing Hizbollah to do whatever they want and even use UN posts as cover.

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Also, I doubt that all of the civilians that live in an area where weapons may be stored do so willingly. Terror works on them too.

agreed.
that's for the Lebanese government to take care of. once these rockets fly towards Israel, Israel has to find and destroy them. Terror is often worse to its own people, same goes for the Palestinians.
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"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

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I'm also sure that the UN issues was a blue-on-blue type mistake. They happen and a lot more than people would like to believe (always have done) ... but they are difficukt to justify to people watching the news ... paints a very bad picture.

I also agree with the rest of your post... So, it's down to the leaders of all sides to sit down, sort out their madmen and talk to each other.... Job Done (see, it's not that hard).


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it's down to the leaders of all sides to sit down, sort out their madmen and talk to each other....

just point me to the leader who can/will sort out their madmen...

"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

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Dont give problems ..... give me solutions


It's a good question but surely the likes and Bush & Blair should be in a position to find them.

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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In the meantime, Israel continues to do itself no favours:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5226996.stm

One wonders if the "Aid corridor" is the same one in which BBC & German news crews travelling with a refugee convoy were fired on by Israeli mortars?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/nolavconsole/ukfs_news/hi?redirect=st.stm&news=1&bbram=1&bbwm=1&nbram=1&nbwm=1&nol_storyid=5225982(video)

In the meantime, It appears that Hezb'Allah are actually fighting in uniform against Israeli ground forces. The "Slinking Arab with a Kalashnikov under his dish-dash seems to be something of a fallacy... Rather like Katyusha's in Ambulances.

The solution to this really lies in the battle between moderates and extremists on BOTH sides.

Mike.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

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In the meantime, Israel continues to do itself no favours

a cease fire will be valid only as part of a lasting solution. temporary cease fires were tried in the past and were always broken by Hezbollah at some point.
an international force (if not all Lebanese) is required but it has to be one that can actually do something, unlike UNIFIL which is useless.

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In the meantime, It appears that Hezb'Allah are actually fighting in uniform against Israeli ground forces

some are. but they still store and fire rockets from within civilians.
you are trying to take one example and making it into the general truth.

"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

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Hi Ori,

Yeah... Step one will be for Hamas & Hezb'Allah (the political party segment) to get a feckin' grip on the "freedom-fighter" faction of their respective organisations.

That can be difficult since both have grown into politics out of being no more than "freedom-fighters".

(incidentally, I only use "freedom-fighters" because I feel "terrorists" is not wholly accurate and "self-appointed-one-sided-vicarious-revenge-organisation" is too verbose).

Further, the senior leadership of BOTH Hamas & Hezb'Allah reside in Damascus, Syria (which is surely the real "Nigger-in-the-woodpile" of the Middle-East). They dictate policy to the political wings of both organisations.

In the meantime, it's sad to see Israel's actions in this. It's one thing to lament the failure of a "freedom-fighter" organisation to adhere to seeking a diplomatic solution, another thing to see a fully-fledged government abandon diplomacy in favour of the very tactics it despises in the opposition!

What's worse is that the more action & publicity the "freedom-fighters" of Hamas & Hezb'Allah get at the hands of Israel, the more they consolidate power within their respective organisations!

Mike.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

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(incidentally, I only use "freedom-fighters" because I feel "terrorists" is not wholly accurate

i can accept that one's freedom fighter is another's terrorist, but looking closely mainly at lebanon (but also at Gaza), freedom? they have no one to be "freed" from...

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Further, the senior leadership of BOTH Hamas & Hezb'Allah reside in Damascus, Syria

true for Hamas, but Hizbollah's leaders are Lebanese whos patron is Iran.

I agree with most of the rest of your post and it is very sad. that's why a lasting solution must be achieved or we will have another round in the future.

"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."