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Well... They've progressed from shooting up Palestinians & Lebanese to shooting up UN Observers to shooting up Fox News pretty quick... So I guess it's only a matter of time!

As Darius pointed out, there is a sect of Orthodox Jews who believe that: "The state of Israel must cease to exist"!!! Perhaps this sect could send a few "Freedom-Fighters" along for The IDF to practice on?

Mike.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

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to shooting up Fox News...



Now come on.. this reallly is a necessity:ph34r:



Are you asking if it's necessary for Fox News to be shot at? I could make a pretty good guess at the overwhelming response to that!

Me... I'm just trying to strike a balance here.

On the one hand, Israel shoots up innocent civilians.:(

On the other hand, Israel shoots up a Fox News TV Crew.:)
Like I said... Balance. Some would call it Karma.

Mike.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

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or maybe these scary individuals.....



http://www.shoutwire.com/viewstory/6219/Hamas_Launches_Site_Encouraging_Kids_to_Become_Martyrs

Gee do you think any of those pictures has one of them longing to join the ranks on this website???



Hamas Launches Web Site Encouraging Kids to Become ´Martyrs´
09:43 Mar 09, '06 / 9 Adar 5766
by Ezra HaLevi


The Palestinian Authority's ruling Hamas terror group has launched a web site for children, preaching the moral desirability of being a suicide terrorist via cartoons and children's stories.


The Hamas-run Al-Fateh.net glorifies shahada, martyrdom, and presents the deaths of terrorists attacking Israelis as a time of celebration, according to a report by Palestinian Media Watch.


One of the stories on the site quotes a mother saying that when she heard her son had become a shahid, a martyr, she bought dates, candies and coffee to give out. An entire section of the site is called "Stories of the Shahids," and the most recently posted story honors Hamas terrorist Naseem Ja'abari, who murdered 16 people when he blew himself up on a bus in Be'er Sheva on August 31, 2004.

The page is egalitarian in its encouragement of martyrdom, with a prominently featured drawing of a religiously garbed girl participating in violent attacks (pictured above) on both the homepage and on a second page. The drawing is accompanied by a poem glorifying Jihad, Islamic conquest, and Shahada.

Hamas won the Palestinian Authority's parliamentary elections in January by a large majority, and has since been subject to requests and demands that it at least verbally recognize Israel. On the web site, though, according to PMW, "Israel is repeatedly referred to as 'thief' and 'invader,' and its defeat in battle is both desired and anticipated."

Though the site shares its name with Yasser Arafat's rival terror group, Al-Fateh, the name means "The Conqueror" and is run by Hamas.

The following are excerpts from PMW's translation of a poem on the site and excerpts from the "Stories of the Shahids" section:

We Rose Up
We rose up against the thieves
We rose up against [them], and we shall never surrender
We will rise up in determination, like our ancestors
We will sacrifice, sacrifice our lives

Our father's bidding has taught us
That Jihad is the eternal path
And that the oppressors will be defeated...
We have become devoted and we will never surrender
One day we will defeat all the invaders
We bless and honor the proud
The blood of the shahid has taught us
That Shahada is a new life
O Allah, bless the steps of the rebels
Indeed, Shahada is an open victory
[Al-Fateh website, March 7, 2006]


Stories of the Shahids
"...Our shahid today is the the Shahada-seeker, the hero Naseem Al-Ja'abari."

Naseem's mother tells of her son's merits and says that when she heard of his terrorist action, she took the money he had left her and "went to buy dates and candies for the people who came to congratulate [us]." She goes on to tell how she heard her son committed the suicide bombing. Finally, she sends her greetings to all those people who want to become shahids.

Naseem's mother also gloats that in light of "the success of the heroic attack in Be'er Sheva, the Zionist Secret Service admitted they failed in eliminating the Resistance [euphemism for terror group], its roots and infrastructure."
[Al-Fateh website, March 7, 2006]




Published: 21:31 March 07, 2006
Last Update: 09:43 March 09, 2006

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Also known as Israel National News .com

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=99839

A less biased source would be nice![:/]

Then again, I suppose that one selects sources to reflect one's own opinion. No matter how biased.

There has been some good news though... Apparently the aircraft of choice for carrying American bombs to israel is Airbus:)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5221782.stm

"Britain's Daily Telegraph newspaper reported that two chartered Airbus A310 planes with a cargo of laser-guided "smart bombs" stopped at Prestwick, 30 miles south of Glasgow in western Scotland."

That should help the share price!:S

In the meantime, another score would be:

Lebanese Civilian Deaths: 383

Israeli Civilian Deaths: 19


Of course, it'll be argued that these Lebanese civilians "must" be terrorists... Just as some of the Israeli Civilians could be reservists.

Mike.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

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I'm sorry that you do not (this time) seem to see that you are generalising against all Arabs in the same way as others have generalised against all Iraqis.
I have agreed with most of the points made in some of your Posts about the US/UK attack on Iraq - but you dont appear to be so open-minded here.

Sorry if I've miss-read any of your stances but I'd be more than happy to be enlightened. Thanks.

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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Its quite simple.. Iraq is and was a stupid exercise in neo-con stupidity. The Iraqui's held no love for America but did NOT attack America.
It is led by a group of warmongering chickenhawks( those who AVOIDED actually serving their country when they had the opportunity) They are the most patriotic and brave Americans you can find.. with OTHER peoples childrens blood but never their own or that of their children..

All of their premises about going there were wrong.. the oil will NOT pay for the war... the people have NOT welcomed our troops as liberators( that was the STUPIDEST assumption) The WMD excuse was a very bad joke( even though several here desparately try to find anything that looks like a WMD) The Liberation of Iraq from Saddaam MIGHT have been a good reason IF we pursued getting rid of OTHER despots thruout the world who do not allow their people to live free.


My stance on Israel and the current situation there. Hezbollah and Hamas pushed the wrong button. The people who support them see them as their saviors and celebrate a culture of death. They bring up their children to die by killing people in buses and cafe's or anywhere that people gather. Israel is being attacked... but that is ok with you in England it seems... some pent up anger from the time when you ruled the world and they made you go home.

The reality is.. if the Arabs would wish to make peace.. they would finally have a lasting peace .. because Israel seeks peace.. the arab world does not.....yet. They voted for the extremeists... and the extremeists saw that as a green light to attack Israel. Israeli forces are targeting their HUGE stores of weapons... that have been hidden in schools and mosques and apartment buildings.. to ensure there will be civilian casualties when the IDF goes after those weapons.. the same weapons that are raining down on Israel. Do you think ANY other country would take that?????

Perhaps the Irish immigrants to this country should supply the IRA with missiles and other tools of war like the Iranians and Syrians have armed their clients in Hamas in Hezbollah.... and let the IRA launch the fucking things into London....just so you get the point of what is really happening there in the mid east. ( Some Americans did help the IRA.. with funds and some weapons... but not as a US Government policy)

Perhaps you should get the fuck out of Ireland and take your Orangemen with you. Same kind of religeous/historical context.

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Thanks a lot for taking the time to answer.


Once again, I'm hoping that you have either miss-read my contributions or confused them with others.. No Where have I stated ANY support for Hamas/Hezbollah. and also never anything so solicite a responce like...<>. But I do condem Israel for it's gross overreaction and slaughter of innocents.
To miss-read that as a Bushism... You are either with us or against us, is to do me a major injustice.

People here have also generalised to suggest that All Arabs are getting what they deserve ... madness IMHO


Oh and by the by..... SOME Americans DID help to arm the IRA.
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(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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SOME Americans DID help to arm the IRA.



I know..... and the FBI did put some of them in prison...


The whole you are either with us or agin us.. does not apply.. BUT I see several posters from there.... that CERTAINLY are taking sides with the arabs.

remember now... Hezbollah is purposely putting weapons stores where the IDF has the option of not attacking because of possible civilian deaths.. or going for it to STOP those weapons landing in Haifa and Tel Aviv and killing their own civilians.

Basically.. those people choose to live there.. on top of those weapons.... and support Hezbollah with political support... and the bodies of their children with bombs strapped to them. I do not see them as being so damn innocent. They have chosen poorly to choose a path of war with their saviors in Hamas and Hezbollah.

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The whole you are either with us or agin us.. does not apply.. BUT I see several posters from there.... that CERTAINLY are taking sides with the arabs.



and all of them are also against the Iraq War. Any thought on why that is?

(p.s. I'm not being a smartass. I truely am interested in the connection.)

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and all of them are also against the Iraq War. Any thought on why that is?



Because they're intelligent, thoughtful, open-minded, analytical, (handsome, witty, sexually-magnetic....):P

Sorry Bob, but you did kind of walk into that one!:o

As far as the Iraqi war goes, I think it was a distraction from what we needed to do. I honestly believe that had those military resources been spent in Afghanistan, then the Taleban would be a strange legend from the history of a modernising secular state, and the persons of Osama Bin Laden & his pals would have been introduced to the pleasures of Anal-Sex at a Federal Penitentiary. Either that, or their bodies stuffed & mounted (on RPG7's) and on display at The Smithsonian.

As far as Israel's actions in Lebanon go... It's a bit like being stung by a bee and chopping down the fruit tree where the nest might be in response!:S... And getting your leg broken when the tree falls! It's like the current Israeli Government has studied international relations under Homer Simpson on a bad day!

Mike.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

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and all of them are also against the Iraq War. Any thought on why that is?



Because they're intelligent, thoughtful, open-minded, analytical, (handsome, witty, sexually-magnetic....):P

Sorry Bob, but you did kind of walk into that one!:o

As far as the Iraqi war goes, I think it was a distraction from what we needed to do. I honestly believe that had those military resources been spent in Afghanistan, then the Taleban would be a strange legend from the history of a modernising secular state, and the persons of Osama Bin Laden & his pals would have been introduced to the pleasures of Anal-Sex at a Federal Penitentiary. Either that, or their bodies stuffed & mounted (on RPG7's) and on display at The Smithsonian.

As far as Israel's actions in Lebanon go... It's a bit like being stung by a bee and chopping down the fruit tree where the nest might be in response!:S... And getting your leg broken when the tree falls! It's like the current Israeli Government has studied international relations under Homer Simpson on a bad day!

Mike.



I'd characterize it more as being stung by bee's day after day and being told by the State that it's against the code to cut down the tree with the suggestion you try to pacify the bee's by providing them with flowers.

When that doesn't work, being told by the State next to try moving your house and when that doesn't work to try putting netting around your house.

At some point you have to come to the realization that the only way to deal with the problem is to destroy the nest.

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Hypothetical for you
(feel free to not answer, I do it all the time to hypotheticals)

You lead a soveriegn country. You are facing an armed a violent enemy that uses terrorism and guerilla tactics on your soil. You want peace, but know you can't lay down your arms because they won't. You have been trying to keep the fight "clean" and doing so with one hand tied while your enemy goes at it tooth and nail.

Attempts at diplomacy and turning the other cheek fail, and special forces and intelligence fail to stop the attacks, and you decide enough of your country's blood has been spilled. You know where they stash a good amount of their leaders and their weapons.

The problem is those weapons and leaders and support are placed in places you cannot attack without causing severe damage to local infrastructure and population.

Do you
(A) Attack by dropping large bombs on the targets
which blows up innocent things along with the target


(B) Attack the targets with ground troops
which destroys innocent things along with the targets and a lot of your soldiers


(C) Continue with old tactics that have not accomplished much of anything
which still results in innocent things being destroyed now and then

(D) Surrender

(E) Institute the ever "popular" glass parking lot solution
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Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards.
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Hi,


It's not that hypothetical..... we (the U.K) have lived under similar circumstances, during my life time. My country did some bad stuff in response to the IRA et al.. but drew the line at taking the Isreali option ..... leveling Belfast!!.

So, to be honest, I dont have an answer (people well above my pay grade have been trained for that task)... I'm just a simple arm-chair complainer... but can see the wrong in the currentg actions being taken (On both sides).

Regards,

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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It's not that hypothetical.....



I know, that's why I left out group/country names.

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but can see the wrong in the current actions being taken (On both sides).



I think that's the one thing any rational person can agree with. Terrible things are being done by both sides. That is war, and that's why we need to AVOID them, not START them.

(a discussion on relative 'terrible-ness' is a thread for another day)
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Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards.
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Israel vs Isreal



Whew, for a second there, I thought maybe Israel had declared war on itself.



Well, I guess that'll teach me what happens when one starts a thread about spelling here in the speakers corner.

I just thought it was interesting that almost 12% of posts having to do with Israel misspelled it.


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I just thought it was interesting that almost 12% of posts having to do with Israel misspelled it.



I'm genuinely surprised it wasn't more. It's an easy mistake to make -- however Google shows less than .5 % on the same mistake, so I guess we rilly r bad spelers here on dz com. [:/]


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SOME Americans DID help to arm the IRA.



Yes, but how "american" is someone who's heart, money, and politics are still stuck back in the old country? Being an american isn't just one's location.

As Joseph said to that other dude in Far And Away just before staking a land claim in Oklahoma "You're not in Ireland anymore!"

Oh crap. Did I just quote Tom Cruise? :S


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