HOORAY! Feds sue States

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http://today.reuters.com/investing/financeArticle.aspx?type=governmentFilingsNews&storyID=2006-07-25T204435Z_01_N25447768_RTRIDST_0_TELECOMS-ATT-MISSOURI.XML

Summation: The federal government is suing states for trying to make AT&T disclosed if they gave the Feds any customer data. Not the information they gave, mind you. Just whether they gave it or not.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

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Summation: The federal government is suing states for trying to make AT&T disclosed if they gave the Feds any customer data. Not the information they gave, mind you. Just whether they gave it or not.

And Gravitymaster is totally convinced that the only US domestic spying going on is that which the government tells us about.

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There is an interesting statement that the war where most Americans died is the Civil War (because both sides were Americans).

This is kind of like that. Your tax dollars attacking and defending.

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Sometimes I just don't get the US legal system.

There's a law which says AT&T can't give the Govt. this information wihtout a warrant and provides very specific guidance on just how customers can and should sue, as well as detailing the redress which people can expect (including specifying actual $$ ammounts) when they sue under that very legislation.

And then when people do what that legislation tells them to do - ie sue AT&T... it's them who are "in the wrong"?

Like I said... sometimes I just don't get the US legal system.

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Summation: The federal government is suing states for trying to make AT&T disclosed if they gave the Feds any customer data. Not the information they gave, mind you. Just whether they gave it or not.

And Gravitymaster is totally convinced that the only US domestic spying going on is that which the government tells us about.

Oh, you mean the phone numbers with no identifying information attached that the govt. used to track when you call your aunt so they can come for you in the middle of the night? Is that the info you are talking about or is it the computer which recognizes a few words in the English language like Osama, bomb, etc. which you are worried will end you up in a govt. torture chamber with your nuts hooked up to an electric diode while they beat out of you which restaurant you ate at last week?

Ooohhhh.. beware, beware.

edited to add: Almost forgot. Are you talking about the Chinese guy who speaks 12 words of English having the ability to monitor your conversations?

Beware beware the govt. is out to get you.

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Summation: The federal government is suing states for trying to make AT&T disclosed if they gave the Feds any customer data. Not the information they gave, mind you. Just whether they gave it or not.

And Gravitymaster is totally convinced that the only US domestic spying going on is that which the government tells us about.

Oh, you mean the phone numbers with no identifying information attached that the govt. used to track when you call your aunt so they can come for you in the middle of the night? Is that the info you are talking about or is it the computer which recognizes a few words in the English language like Osama, bomb, etc. which you are worried will end you up in a govt. torture chamber with your nuts hooked up to an electric diode while they beat out of you which restaurant you ate at last week?

Ooohhhh.. beware, beware.

edited to add: Almost forgot. Are you talking about the Chinese guy who speaks 12 words of English having the ability to monitor your conversations?

Beware beware the govt. is out to get you.

1984 babe. Comin to bite YOU in the ass. Just a couple decades late

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

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Ohhhh.. I'm sooooo... frightened.

I've heard the torture rooms will be built by on a no bid contract awarded to Haliburton and Dick Cheney will be CEO. Condi Rice will be the Warden and Karl Rove will be responsible for developing new forms of torture. I guess they just need something to do when they retire.

Not to worry though, I'm working on a super secret code right now that I feel will be impossible for the Chinese tourist (who is secretly an NSA Agent) to decode and the true nature of my calls to my Aunt will never be uncovered.

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I just find it odd that the Feds are suing states that are trying to learn if AT&T gave the Feds anything. Not the content of what they gave them, but IF they gave them anything.

That is secrecy to the level of ridiculousness.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

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Summation: The federal government is suing states for trying to make AT&T disclosed if they gave the Feds any customer data. Not the information they gave, mind you. Just whether they gave it or not.

And Gravitymaster is totally convinced that the only US domestic spying going on is that which the government tells us about.

Oh, you mean the phone numbers with no identifying information attached that the govt. used to track when you call your aunt so they can come for you in the middle of the night? Is that the info you are talking about or is it the computer which recognizes a few words in the English language like Osama, bomb, etc. which you are worried will end you up in a govt. torture chamber with your nuts hooked up to an electric diode while they beat out of you which restaurant you ate at last week?

Ooohhhh.. beware, beware.

edited to add: Almost forgot. Are you talking about the Chinese guy who speaks 12 words of English having the ability to monitor your conversations?

Beware beware the govt. is out to get you.

You always TRY to weasel out of an answer to that question. HOW do you know WHAT the government is doing in the way of domestic spying, when all you ever get told is what is dragged out of them unwillingly. Do you REALLY believe that what we've been told by whistleblowers is the FULL extent of the government's prying?

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Summation: The federal government is suing states for trying to make AT&T disclosed if they gave the Feds any customer data. Not the information they gave, mind you. Just whether they gave it or not.

And Gravitymaster is totally convinced that the only US domestic spying going on is that which the government tells us about.

Oh, you mean the phone numbers with no identifying information attached that the govt. used to track when you call your aunt so they can come for you in the middle of the night? Is that the info you are talking about or is it the computer which recognizes a few words in the English language like Osama, bomb, etc. which you are worried will end you up in a govt. torture chamber with your nuts hooked up to an electric diode while they beat out of you which restaurant you ate at last week?

Ooohhhh.. beware, beware.

edited to add: Almost forgot. Are you talking about the Chinese guy who speaks 12 words of English having the ability to monitor your conversations?

Beware beware the govt. is out to get you.

You always TRY to weasel out of an answer to that question. HOW do you know WHAT the government is doing in the way of domestic spying, when all you ever get told is what is dragged out of them unwillingly. Do you REALLY believe that what we've been told by whistleblowers is the FULL extent of the government's prying?

No I don't and I've told you more times than I care to count. I've also told you I don't expect the govt. to disclose everything they are doing more times than I care to count. For some strange reason, it hasn't penetrated yet...go figure.

I accept that there are govt. secrets and I don't walk around with a paranoid delusion that "the man is out to get me" because of it.

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I just find it odd that the Feds are suing states that are trying to learn if AT&T gave the Feds anything. Not the content of what they gave them, but IF they gave them anything.

That is secrecy to the level of ridiculousness.

I got that and I don't know why. My best guess is when it comes to National Security, the States don't necessarily have a right to know because of the history of politicians who leak information and then use said leaked info for political gain. Not saying that's why, just speculating.

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the States don't necessarily have a right to know because of the history of politicians who leak information and then use said leaked info for political gain. Not saying that's why, just speculating.

Sooo I guess it was not the Republicans who used that kind of information for political gain... and Nixon was just a misunderstood patriot.

You have done it over and over.. and now you expect us to trust you????

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the States don't necessarily have a right to know because of the history of politicians who leak information and then use said leaked info for political gain. Not saying that's why, just speculating.

Sooo I guess it was not the Republicans who used that kind of information for political gain... and Nixon was just a misunderstood patriot.

You have done it over and over.. and now you expect us to trust you????

Right, politicians from both parties have been guilty of leaking information. That's why we need to restrict their access to it.

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sometimes I just don't get the US legal system.

Probably because it's based on yours.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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Right, politicians from both parties have been guilty of leaking information. That's why we need to restrict their access to it.

But you dont seem to mind the warmongering chickenhawks in the administration having it.

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Right, politicians from both parties have been guilty of leaking information. That's why we need to restrict their access to it.

But you dont seem to mind the warmongering chickenhawks in the administration having it.

That's why we have elections. It's the Presidents job. Whether you like it or not, there's no requirement to disclose Intel to the general public. To think so is very childish and naive. No President has ever done it, nor will they ever. Get over it.

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Whether you like it or not, there's no requirement to disclose Intel to the general public.

But its ok to expose an intel agent to smear her husband.... you are right.. that was not doing the right thing with the intel he had. BUT it is your way.... the way you would use the intel against those who do not goosestep to the same Wagnerian beat that you want us to.

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Whether you like it or not, there's no requirement to disclose Intel to the general public.

But its ok to expose an intel agent to smear her husband.... you are right.. that was not doing the right thing with the intel he had. BUT it is your way.... the way you would use the intel against those who do not goosestep to the same Wagnerian beat that you want us to.

No indictments for exposing Plame. Doubtful there will be. It's looking more and more like Mr. Wilson is a liar.

Your guy lost. Bush is the President. No President is going to disclose top secret intel or disclose intel gathering methods. Stop the whining and get over it. Think 2008.

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the States don't necessarily have a right to know because of the history of politicians who leak information and then use said leaked info for political gain. Not saying that's why, just speculating.

Sooo I guess it was not the Republicans who used that kind of information for political gain... and Nixon was just a misunderstood patriot.

You have done it over and over.. and now you expect us to trust you????

Right, politicians from both parties have been guilty of leaking information. That's why we need to restrict their access to it.

So pray tell, where is the oversight? We just trust the exec. branch? May as well just declare martial law eh?

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

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So how do you know the govt. is NOT spying on us when you admit that you don't know what the govt. is doing?

Given this administration's known propensity for snooping and secrecy about its snooping, surely the prudent should assume the government IS spying on them.

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So how do you know the govt. is NOT spying on us when you admit that you don't know what the govt. is doing?

Given this administration's known propensity for snooping and secrecy about its snooping, surely the prudent should assume the government IS spying on them.

Why would the govt. be interested in spying on me? I pose no threat to National Security.

I know you will find it hard to believe, but the IRS has been spying on all of us for years. They pose a greater risk than the NSA to you and me. Why never a word about their spying from you? Could it be that you accept the spying because you understand why they do it? I guess that's the good spying. Or could it be you just enjoy the incessant Bush bashing?

I'm guessing the later.

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So how do you know the govt. is NOT spying on us when you admit that you don't know what the govt. is doing?

Given this administration's known propensity for snooping and secrecy about its snooping, surely the prudent should assume the government IS spying on them.

Why would the govt. be interested in spying on me? I pose no threat to National Security.

I know you will find it hard to believe, but the IRS has been spying on all of us for years. They pose a greater risk than the NSA to you and me. Why never a word about their spying from you? Could it be that you accept the spying because you understand why they do it? I guess that's the good spying. Or could it be you just enjoy the incessant Bush bashing?

I'm guessing the later.

At least the IRS is honest about it, unlike Bush, who denied phonetapping without a warrant.

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So how do you know the govt. is NOT spying on us when you admit that you don't know what the govt. is doing?

Given this administration's known propensity for snooping and secrecy about its snooping, surely the prudent should assume the government IS spying on them.

Why would the govt. be interested in spying on me? I pose no threat to National Security.

I know you will find it hard to believe, but the IRS has been spying on all of us for years. They pose a greater risk than the NSA to you and me. Why never a word about their spying from you? Could it be that you accept the spying because you understand why they do it? I guess that's the good spying. Or could it be you just enjoy the incessant Bush bashing?

I'm guessing the later.

At least the IRS is honest about it, unlike Bush, who denied phonetapping without a warrant.

Apparently, you know nothing about the IRS. I would suggest a little research.

http://www.neo-tech.com/irs-class-action/

http://www.taxatlanta.com/IRS_Abuse_Criminal.htm

http://www.tpirsrelief.com/illegal_interest.htm

http://www.irstaxattorney.com/irs_abuses/Blog1-levy.pdf

The last link is written by Alvin Brown, my tax attorney and advisor who worked for the IRS as the head of a regional IRS legal dept. for 26 years. If you sat and talked to him about what really goes on at the IRS, you would be chilled to the bone and would probably stop making such naive statements.

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So how do you know the govt. is NOT spying on us when you admit that you don't know what the govt. is doing?

Given this administration's known propensity for snooping and secrecy about its snooping, surely the prudent should assume the government IS spying on them.

Why would the govt. be interested in spying on me? I pose no threat to National Security.

I know you will find it hard to believe, but the IRS has been spying on all of us for years. They pose a greater risk than the NSA to you and me. Why never a word about their spying from you? Could it be that you accept the spying because you understand why they do it? I guess that's the good spying. Or could it be you just enjoy the incessant Bush bashing?

I'm guessing the later.

Still avoiding the question with a distraction about the IRS.

How do YOU know what the government is snooping on, do you work covertly for the IRS, NSA, CIA or the White House?

If posing a threat to security was the criterion for being spied upon, why does Echelon snoop on ALL conversations, including yours?

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govt. is doing?

Given this administration's known propensity for snooping and secrecy about its snooping, surely the prudent should assume the government IS spying on them.

Why would the govt. be interested in spying on me? I pose no threat to National Security.

I know you will find it hard to believe, but the IRS has been spying on all of us for years. They pose a greater risk than the NSA to you and me. Why never a word about their spying from you? Could it be that you accept the spying because you understand why they do it? I guess that's the good spying. Or could it be you just enjoy the incessant Bush bashing?

I'm guessing the later.

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Still avoiding the question with a distraction about the IRS.

I knew you would dodge that and try to pretend it is a larger problem than it is considering it's your ilk who always opposes any type of reform.

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How do YOU know what the government is snooping on, do you work covertly for the IRS, NSA, CIA or the White House?

Define snooping. How do you know what they are doing? At least I look at it and ask why they would want to. A question you have "weaseled" out of on numerous occaisions.

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If posing a threat to security was the criterion for being spied upon, why does Echelon snoop on ALL conversations, including yours?

Still beating that dead horse, eh? Echelon doesn't listen to the conversation. It only listens for certain words. Truly amazing ability to misunderstand.

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