Andrea Yates...........

[lisamariewillbe 1]

So how many of you think that her mental illness, after treated with our tax dollars will cure her enough to go back into general public?

Regardless of mental illness, she should not be set free from jail. She killed 5 kids, one by one, she drowned them... thats not a slow death. Shes accountable for her actions. She was not forced to stop taking her medications. She is an adult and she choose to stop taking them thus resulting in her going completley nuts and holding her 5 babies heads under water while they struggled, struggled with their mother to be released so they could breathe, and live and grow up... If I remember correctly one almost got away and she actually chased the child down to murder him.

Im glad people are so understanding of mental illness to where 5 lives is a justifiable lose, but what she did is un-forgivable regardless of her reason

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I think I agree with this. From what little I have read of the situation, this woman made a conscious decision to kill her children. That this decision was considered insane should not be a defence. After all, who would ever consider a pre-meditated murder sane?

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I find other's (Quite like yourself) can be quite hateful, and condescending to other's who have a great proffession and are in the upper class income bracket. I will not apologize for this....EVER.

Your posts give me more hilarity than anything I have seen here in awhile. Hilarious is the faact that what you type in your posts about others seems to be EXACTLY what you are doing yourself. It is a classic done well. Bravo sir, bravo.

And amusing is that you often remind everyone of your great job and the loads of money you make. Are you trying to convince us of your high worth or yourself?

God, I hope you are not banned. But since I have not read the rest of the thread before replying, you could be.

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I hope for your sake that you never become mentally ill and then have to deal with people like rwieder.

That was a personal attack "Kallend" And you know it. That said, both of us being degreed professionals, i'm not going to stoop to your level. O.K. Maybe not to such a degree as you did (Which was unwarrented) to a degree.

I will simply say "**** You" And i hope you never become mentally ill either. Not that you could diagnosis it, because your a physics proffessor....Right?

Thanks Mods, for picking this up. I really appreciate the help with this asshole, but no worries, i can handle the incorrigible bastard myself. If given the opportunity, which i'm quite sure will not be afforded to me, none the less he deserves the admonition. Fucking asshole. RE: Kallend

Touched a nerve there! The irony is not lost.

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So how many of you think that her mental illness, after treated with our tax dollars will cure her enough to go back into general public?

she better not be declared "cured" within her lifetime. I think it would be disgusting to see her outside living life on medication, while her 5 babies never got to grow up.
And what if she then stops taking her medication again? She could kill some more.

IMO, shes crazy and belongs in a nut house... permanently.

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So how many of you think that her mental illness, after treated with our tax dollars will cure her enough to go back into general public?

Looks like your tax dollars would have been better spent keeping her treated, maybe 5 little children would still be alive today....But, socialized health care is evil and it only were 5 children....

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God gave man & Woman a "Free Will" It's a published historical biblical fact

The only conclusion I can draw from that is that your degree must have come from an internet university. In my mind it also completely invalidates most if not all of your arguments in this thread....

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She was not forced to stop taking her medications. She is an adult and she choose to stop taking them...

A few months before the drownings, a doctor "for some inexplicable reason" took Yates off anti-psychotic medication and counseled her to have "happy thoughts," Parnham told jurors.

"But for Andrea Yates being taken off anti-psychotic medication, those children would be alive today," he said." -houston chronicle

She didn't choose to stop taking her meds. She was taken off her meds by a doctor who made a bad call.

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So how many of you think that her mental illness, after treated with our tax dollars will cure her enough to go back into general public?

Do you really want to argue that she should be executed because it is economically expedient?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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She didn't choose to stop taking her meds. She was taken off her meds by a doctor who made a bad call.

Further than that, when someone has been on one particular med (in this case, Haldol and an SSRI) and it's stopped abruptly, there can be horrendous side effects. She was removed from Haldol (really bad move - it was working pretty well!) and her SSRI (Effexor, iirc) was reduced dramatically several days before the children were killed.

Thinking happy thoughts don't do much when brain chemistry is out of whack...and when that whack is made volitile by withdrawls and introdocution of psychosis back into the picture, really horrific things can happen...such as we've seen.

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She will face God, don't worry on that account. In the mean time, however, her medical condition will be treated, and she will also live with the guilt of killing her children.

I thought the whole Insanity thing was not knowing if you did something wrong.

Why would she feel guilty if in her mind she did nothing wrong?

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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She will face God, don't worry on that account. In the mean time, however, her medical condition will be treated, and she will also live with the guilt of killing her children.

I thought the whole Insanity thing was not knowing if you did something wrong.

Why would she feel guilty if in her mind she did nothing wrong?

The insanity thing is that AT THE ITME OF THE CRIME, she didn't know she was doing something wrong. Afterwards, when she's put on meds, she's in a much closer to normal state of mind and capable of understanding. Otherwise, she'd never be able to stand trial, because she probably wouldn't be able to assist in her own defense.

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She will face God, don't worry on that account. In the mean time, however, her medical condition will be treated, and she will also live with the guilt of killing her children.

I thought the whole Insanity thing was not knowing if you did something wrong.

Why would she feel guilty if in her mind she did nothing wrong?

This arguement is quite flawed. And Nightingale beat me to it, but I shall keep my post out of spite.

Because the idea of insanity is that she was insane DURING the act. Now, she is probably on medication and lucid. Presumably, she now realizes her actions.

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Do you really want to argue that she should be executed because it is economically expedient?

I dont recall me saying she should be executed in my post. I was referring to getting mental health treatment vs being in a jail.

To Night and Michelle, okay I can understand what you guys are saying, I believe she was insane but to me thats just not enough, I do not think she should ever get out of jail. She still killed these babies. And how come the doctor isnt at least responsible on some level? Didnt she have some sort of guardian since she was so ill? I cant sit online for long so I honestly have not read the recent stuff on the case.

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I read an interview during the Andrea Yates trial with a woman who had, in a fit of severe clinical depression, started throwing her children off a bridge. Bystanders stopped her, but not before 3-4 were thrown into the bayou. A couple of them drowned.

That had been about 15 years before. Obviously she was treated, but her dream was to someday be able to see her surviving children again. She worked, she went home, but her life was just an existence.

It would be a horrible, horrible thing to know later what you did. I'm not saying it's "punishment enough" or anything like that, because, well, "punishment enough" is impossible to judge. Society says what's enough punishment with sentencing guidelines, and definitions of what's a felony, what's a misdemeanor, and what's legal. When individuals on a jury decide to go above and beyond (usually declaring innocence when by strict definition the party was guilty) it's called jury nullification. When they do it outside of the courtroom/legal system (usually deciding on a more severe punishment than was exacted, or on guilt when the decision was innocence), then it's vigilantism.

Is the purpose of prison to punish, or to protect the rest of society, or to simply enforce the agreed-upon penalty for specified transgressions? Because the answer is different in each case.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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And how come the doctor isnt at least responsible on some level?

There are probably a number of people who are complicit on some level or another.

Her doctor, her husband, her church... dunno enough about specifics, but that didn't happen in a vacuum.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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Do you really want to argue that she should be executed because it is economically expedient?

I dont recall me saying she should be executed in my post. I was referring to getting mental health treatment vs being in a jail.

To Night and Michelle, okay I can understand what you guys are saying, I believe she was insane but to me thats just not enough, I do not think she should ever get out of jail. She still killed these babies.

That sounds more like vengeance than punishment. What purpose would it serve?

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[jakee 1,586]

Ok then, if she is not thoroughly and completely 'cured' she will probably never see the world outside a mental institution again anyway.

If she is succesfully treated and is no longer in danger of breaking with reality then what would be gained in keeping her in jail? Retribution for something she was never truly responsible for? Revenge should never be the basis for a justice system.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Darius11 12]

Kris


I have to say I respect your opinions on here. I don’t see you as a psycho feminist. So i ask you this


As an adult is she not responsible for taking her own medication?

Is the excuse my Husband made me a valid one in your opinion?

I think Lisa brought up some great points.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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As an adult is she not responsible for taking her own medication?

Yes, though an adult can also by incapacitated and therefore incapable of taking his/her own drugs. Severe psychosis IMHO can constitute such a case.

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I intentionally stayed away from this thread after i created it, simply because i assumed i couldn't believe my eyes and ears at some of the responses. (Son-Of-A-Bitch if i wasn't right) I making observations here, that more females than males are taking exception to the rule of "Insanity" makes the crime against nature simply "one of thos things"

I'm sorry, "murder is murder." Simple and pure. For those of you that are proponents of Andrea Yates, good for you. For those of you who are not, let God deal with her.

But, at what point do we live by some standards? Say, oh, i don't know biblical standards? "Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth?"

"Suffer the little children to come unto me" (Jesus)

"It would be better for a man to hang a millstone around his kneck and drown himself in the depths of the lake, rather than to misslead or destroy a child against my will" (Jesus) God's Son, for those of you who don't know.

I am adamant that the woman who committed these crimes against these children should face the wrath of God. As i am sure he has plans to deal with her himself.

No matter what anyone here thinks, she will face the wrath of God, when she dies, which is inevitable.

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Mothers kill their children everyday.

Spare Me, In the name of Jesus!

If religious fanatics like you that scare me.

The way you have been talking in this forum just shows how much of an angry person you are. The way you think, you would never even be selected for a jury. Maybe you should seek mental testing.

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I have to say I respect your opinions on here. I don’t see you as a psycho feminist.

That's the most touching thing I've ever read.

I need a tissue.

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The insanity thing is that AT THE ITME OF THE CRIME, she didn't know she was doing something wrong. Afterwards, when she's put on meds, she's in a much closer to normal state of mind and capable of understanding. Otherwise, she'd never be able to stand trial, because she probably wouldn't be able to assist in her own defense.

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As an adult is she not responsible for taking her own medication?

Is the excuse my Husband made me a valid one in your opinion?

Her doctor, someone else who was supposed to be taking care of her, made a terrible call and pulled her off Haldol all at once, instead of weaning her off gradually like he was supposed to. It's well known that abruptly stopping anti-psychotic medication tends to trigger extreme psychosis. If her doctor stopped her prescription, she wouldn't have a way to get to that medication, and if she trusted her doctor to take care of her in a responsible manner, she probably wouldn't question what he told her.

For a housewife with no assets of her own, who is very religious and buys into the idea of "husband is in charge, going against his will is sin", yes, "my husband made me" may be a valid reason, if she didn't have the ability (money, transportation, etc...) to acquire the medication on her own, and the person who is both aware she is mentally ill and supposed to be taking care of her tries to prevent her from getting to that medication. Evidence indicates that Rusty Yates encouraged that kind of dependency from Andrea. I don't have a problem with people having unbalanced relationships if they're happy; relationship dynamics should be up to the individuals, but the party with the power has accepted it and has a duty to use it responsibly. Andrea's religion told her to trust Rusty to make the important decisions and to take care of her, and Rusty accepted that responsibility. Psychological dependence like that is well documented. Andrea may have truly believed that she had no choice.

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I have to say I respect your opinions on here. I don’t see you as a psycho feminist.

That's the most touching thing I've ever read.

I need a tissue.

I appreciated the sentiment.

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