rwieder 0 #51 July 27, 2006 QuoteDidja hurt yourself? Poor rweider. Antagonist? Who, me? For having opinions and stating them? Wow. I suppose I could call you the same. BTW, this isn't about passports and/or world travel. It's about Andrea Yates. Remember? Or are you just spamming? You come close........But no cigar. Please Mich, don't get into a pissing contest with me. i have no quarrel with you, nor do i anticipate one. I'll ignore you juvinile comments for now.-Richard- "You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #52 July 27, 2006 QuoteWhat proof have you? Tabloids? Cut me some slack, major slack. you mean you want more slack? All right...here's more rope. Tabloids are not a reliable source of material for me. You might find them so, but I don't. What proof? Only what I've read and learned over the last 5 years. Only what I've seen happen. Only what I've researched and investigated. Only what my education has taught me. Meh. What proof have you that she was not insane? Ciels- Michele Edited instead of a different response... QuoteYou come close........But no cigar. Please Mich, don't get into a pissing contest with me. i have no quarrel with you, nor do i anticipate one. I'll ignore you juvinile comments for now. I don't smoke cigars...and I don't want to get into a pissing match with you either. I don't have the right equipment for distance, anyway.... Ignore whatever comments you'd like to, but rest assured I'm not being juvenile...I'm simply opining; if you don't like it, or they have holes in them, hey, debate away. But it's not a pissing match. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jaden 0 #53 July 27, 2006 I respect & accept your point of view. I also agree that she could be used a learning tool for criminal psychiatry. She has made the ultimate mistake. Her life in my opinion is not worth the five that she took, irresponsibly. Regardless of justification, she is not worthy in my eyes of a second chance. There are many great causes & people out there that deserve the time, attention & effort. She just is not one of them. She deserves whatever happens to her. Those who can not control their actions, especially when it involves multiple murders do not deserve the wasted effort in my eyes. I do not agree with your opinion in this situation and I never will. After reading your other posts, I do hold you in a very high respect. A highly intelligent female willing to argue her beliefs is a rarity. Our indifference is almost definite in this situation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rwieder 0 #54 July 27, 2006 Mich: Please....No offense. But i strongly believe your opinion about Andrea Yates is Biased. I remember some of your comments about the O.J. Simpson trail, and you wailed on him, prior to conviction. Surely this is not a racial point of view? Sexist point of view? No, none of the above, it's a feminest point of view IMO. Be open minded, would you pleeeaassee? -Richard- "You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #55 July 27, 2006 OJ Simpson wasn't pleading insanity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #56 July 27, 2006 QuoteNo, none of the above, it's a feminest point of view IMO. I agree with their point of view. Does that make me a homo? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rwieder 0 #57 July 27, 2006 QuoteOJ Simpson wasn't pleading insanity. C'mon, give me and the rest of the world a break. I guess you would have aquitted him as well?-Richard- "You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #58 July 27, 2006 QuoteAfter reading your other posts, I do hold you in a very high respect. A highly intelligent female willing to argue her beliefs is a rarity. Thank you for that, Jaden. I understand your position - I don't agree with it, but that's all right...it's all good. To be honest, I've had mixed/conflicting feelings on this. I do understand where people are coming from; how can I not? I see those delightful and wonderful, innocent children, and think "they didn't deserve any of this - the bus, the isolation, a sick mama...none of this was worthy of these babies." But I also understand mental illnesses, and how they can affect the thinking process. And I think that this case will serve to facilitate other women in getting help with PPP before it becomes another tragedy. That's the best we can hope for, right? I mean...if there can be a somewhat decent "ending" to this story, it's that it can bring a greater understanding of mental illness, and/or the psychotic mind and criminal behavior. We can agree to disagree, all right? And don't think I don't understand...I really do see your side. I just see it from a different perspective. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #59 July 27, 2006 QuotePlease....No offense. But i strongly believe your opinion about Andrea Yates is Biased. I remember some of your comments about the O.J. Simpson trail, and you wailed on him, prior to conviction. Surely this is not a racial point of view? Sexist point of view? None taken. OJ's trial was what - 8 years ago? I didn't know this place existed 8 years ago, hadn't been skydiving, or anything. So I don't think it could've been prior to conviction. Maybe you're thinking of the civil trial? Do I believe OJ is guilty? You betcha. Is it racist? Not hardly. Sexist? Not hardly. I think, if anything, I am biased towards someone who has a proven record of psychotic breaks should have gotten better treatment, instead of being kicked out of a facility because the insurance ran out. Maybe the bias comes from knowing the fight that chemical imbalance correction is. Maybe it's because I understand brain illnesses like MDD, PPP, PPD. Maybe because I know mental illness is real - very, truly real - and not an excuse for poor behavior or imagination, as some people seem to believe. But I don't think I'm being racist or sexist...I believe I'd be just as vocal about a man who killed his kids who had a history of mental illness similar to Andrea's, provable and demonstrable as hers is...so no, I don't think I have a bias such as you're suggesting. Can I ask what your bias is? Is it gender based? Sexist? Racist? You're so adamant in your beliefs...and I am curious as from where they stem. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rwieder 0 #60 July 27, 2006 QuoteI agree with their point of view. Does that make me a homo? Was that infernece made? Lay off loverboy. Oh, the warm fuzzy picture in my avatar is a .jpeg i took of myslef with my helmet cam. I thought it was cool after i antiquited it. Plus i was catching a lot of heat for having a .jpeg image of one of my first C-3's in my stable of Corvettes thrown in my face, i removed it, and replaced it with the "warm fuzzy" .jpeg. I find other's (Quite like yourself) can be quite hateful, and condescending to other's who have a great proffession and are in the upper class income bracket. I will not apologize for this....EVER.-Richard- "You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #61 July 27, 2006 QuoteNo, none of the above, it's a feminest point of view IMO. I missed this. I am a female, thus have views that are feminine. Does that make it a feminist viewpoint? If that's not what you meant, please clarify. I am missing your point completely. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #62 July 27, 2006 QuoteI find other's (Quite like yourself) can be quite hateful, and condescending to other's who have a great proffession and are in the upper class income bracket. I will not apologize for this....EVER. But my dick is much larger than yours. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rwieder 0 #63 July 27, 2006 QuoteThank you for that, Jaden. I understand your position - I don't agree with it, but that's all right...it's all good. To be honest, I've had mixed/conflicting feelings on this. I do understand where people are coming from; how can I not? I see those delightful and wonderful, innocent children, and think "they didn't deserve any of this - the bus, the isolation, a sick mama...none of this was worthy of these babies." But I also understand mental illnesses, and how they can affect the thinking process. And I think that this case will serve to facilitate other women in getting help with PPP before it becomes another tragedy. That's the best we can hope for, right? I mean...if there can be a somewhat decent "ending" to this story, it's that it can bring a greater understanding of mental illness, and/or the psychotic mind and criminal behavior. We can agree to disagree, all right? And don't think I don't understand...I really do see your side. I just see it from a different perspective. Why wasn't i shown this same type of understanding and mutual respect? You just made my point for me......Gotcha! Live with it. Bye, and this is my last argumentative word on this subject with those who wish to "slam" others. Still love ya! -Richard- "You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #64 July 27, 2006 Nope. I'd have convicted OJ. The DNA evidence was there. The motive was there. It all fit. The jury fell for confusing defense tactics and charisma. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #65 July 27, 2006 QuoteBye, and this is my last argumentative word on this subject with those who wish to "slam" others. Don't let the door bump your little butt on the way out! If I told a lie in here and was busted for it, I'd split too. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rwieder 0 #66 July 27, 2006 QuoteIf that's not what you meant, please clarify. I am missing your point completely. No surprise.-Richard- "You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #67 July 27, 2006 QuoteWhy wasn't i shown this same type of understanding and mutual respect? Because you didn't show me any? It's a two way street, my friend. Two ways... QuoteYou just made my point for me......Gotcha! Live with it. Bye, and this is my last argumentative word on this subject with those who wish to "slam" others. Nope, didn't make your point, unless you now agree that Andrea has a psychotic illness and the effect of that illness untreated was, sadly, the death of 5 beautiful babies. I stated that earlier in this thread, too... If the case is that you now understand and agree with me, I'll be more than happy to live with it...other than that, we'll just disagree. Deal? QuoteStill love ya! Ditto. Although, Richard, your behavior on this and the Saud thread tonight isn't demonstrative of your "kinder, gentler" side, the one which I like. It was like reading my nephew having a fit...just not befitting a grown man. But I'll forgive you, and chalk it up to you being emotional. Hugs for you! Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #68 July 27, 2006 QuoteNo surprise. No explanation then from you? No surprise... Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #69 July 27, 2006 QuoteQuoteIf that's not what you meant, please clarify. I am missing your point completely. No surprise. See above for an answer as to why you don't get respectful replies. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,098 #70 July 27, 2006 >I will simply say "Fuck You" . . . Your one warning. (And Kallend, enough with the veiled PA's.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #71 July 27, 2006 QuoteSee above for an answer as to why you don't get respectful replies. 'Cause you have a bigger...erm...package? Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rwieder 0 #72 July 27, 2006 "P.M. Sent"-Richard- "You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #73 July 27, 2006 QuoteQuoteSee above for an answer as to why you don't get respectful replies. 'Cause you have a bigger...erm...package?[;) LOL . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #74 July 27, 2006 Quote"P.M. Sent" Ohhhh, yea that always does a lot of good. Which is the smallest nation again? lol . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jaden 0 #75 July 27, 2006 Exactly, and that is your right. Your opposing opinion is truly appreciated. We will use this situation in the continued learning process of life. Without difference we are all clones, correct? Thank you, with sincerity. Have a good one. Please don't ever give up your determination or your spunk. You stand out in the crowd & your thoughts are truley valued. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
