Jib 0 #1 July 20, 2006 While people could get 100 miles to a gallon via plug in hybrid cars, where are they planning to get the extra electricity from? -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,085 #2 July 20, 2006 >where are they planning to get the extra electricity from? Me? From my solar power system. Everyone else? Generally the cars will recharge at night, when demand is low. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skeletor 0 #3 July 20, 2006 check out this baby, it uses Li-ion cells like the emoli or a123 cells. 135mpg and 250 mile range.. http://www.teslamotors.com/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #4 July 20, 2006 My only problem with single-source alternative cars is that when you're out of juice on a long trip, you're done travelling for several hours, versus 20 minutes at a gas station. Other than that, the Tesla Motors concept is sweet.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,085 #5 July 20, 2006 >versus 20 minutes at a gas station. Actually, with both lithium-ions and lead-acids, you can get more than 50% back in under half an hour. It's limited primarily by how much power the station has available. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dbattman 0 #6 July 20, 2006 $85-120k. Yikes. I think I'll stick with my Nissan at 31 mpg. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,113 #7 July 21, 2006 Quote>versus 20 minutes at a gas station. Actually, with both lithium-ions and lead-acids, you can get more than 50% back in under half an hour. It's limited primarily by how much power the station has available. There have been some very nasty explosions of lithium cells during fast charge, or excessive discharge conditions, if the cell parameters are exceeded.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,085 #8 July 21, 2006 >There have been some very nasty explosions of lithium cells during > fast charge, or excessive discharge conditions, if the cell > parameters are exceeded. Yep. Of course, there have been far more very nasty explosions of car fuel tanks when their temperature parameters are exceeded. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #9 July 21, 2006 Quote>There have been some very nasty explosions of lithium cells during > fast charge, or excessive discharge conditions, if the cell > parameters are exceeded. Yep. Of course, there have been far more very nasty explosions of car fuel tanks when their temperature parameters are exceeded. or when charges are placed so they blow up like in the movies. Gas tanks blowing up is a very rare occurrance. My source on this matter is my own uncle who was a fireman for 30 years. They reponded to many accidents, and even a few shootouts where the tank had holes, was leaking, and still no fire. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,113 #10 July 21, 2006 Quote>There have been some very nasty explosions of lithium cells during > fast charge, or excessive discharge conditions, if the cell > parameters are exceeded. Yep. Of course, there have been far more very nasty explosions of car fuel tanks when their temperature parameters are exceeded. Of course, there are far more cars on the road with gas tanks than with lithium batteries. Even an exploding cell phone battery is very nasty and that just contains a few grams of Li compounds. Attached picture was, I believe, a 2.2Ah Li cell that was overcharged.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #11 July 21, 2006 QuoteQuote>There have been some very nasty explosions of lithium cells during > fast charge, or excessive discharge conditions, if the cell > parameters are exceeded. Yep. Of course, there have been far more very nasty explosions of car fuel tanks when their temperature parameters are exceeded. or when charges are placed so they blow up like in the movies. Gas tanks blowing up is a very rare occurrance. My source on this matter is my own uncle who was a fireman for 30 years. They reponded to many accidents, and even a few shootouts where the tank had holes, was leaking, and still no fire.but but in the movies cars ALWAYS explode into flames whenever anything (bullet, anothe car) hits the gas tank area! Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,113 #12 July 21, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote>There have been some very nasty explosions of lithium cells during > fast charge, or excessive discharge conditions, if the cell > parameters are exceeded. Yep. Of course, there have been far more very nasty explosions of car fuel tanks when their temperature parameters are exceeded. or when charges are placed so they blow up like in the movies. Gas tanks blowing up is a very rare occurrance. My source on this matter is my own uncle who was a fireman for 30 years. They reponded to many accidents, and even a few shootouts where the tank had holes, was leaking, and still no fire.but but in the movies cars ALWAYS explode into flames whenever anything (bullet, anothe car) hits the gas tank area! And planes always go into a nosedive screaming like a Stuka if the engine quits.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,085 #13 July 21, 2006 >And planes always go into a nosedive screaming like a Stuka if the >engine quits. That's only because their pilots aren't strong enough to pull back on the yoke and stop the dive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,113 #14 July 21, 2006 Quote>And planes always go into a nosedive screaming like a Stuka if the >engine quits. That's only because their pilots aren't strong enough to pull back on the yoke and stop the dive. Yes, I'd better work out some more before practising engine-out landings in the Mooney.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #15 July 21, 2006 QuoteQuote>And planes always go into a nosedive screaming like a Stuka if the >engine quits. That's only because their pilots aren't strong enough to pull back on the yoke and stop the dive. Yes, I'd better work out some more before practising engine-out landings in the Mooney. Just dive to get up a good head of steam, level off into ground effect and it'll never land Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,113 #16 July 21, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote>And planes always go into a nosedive screaming like a Stuka if the >engine quits. That's only because their pilots aren't strong enough to pull back on the yoke and stop the dive. Yes, I'd better work out some more before practising engine-out landings in the Mooney. Just dive to get up a good head of steam, level off into ground effect and it'll never land Clearly someone who's logged Mooney time... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,113 #17 August 16, 2006 Quote>There have been some very nasty explosions of lithium cells during > fast charge, or excessive discharge conditions, if the cell > parameters are exceeded. Yep. Of course, there have been far more very nasty explosions of car fuel tanks when their temperature parameters are exceeded. Dell's recall of lithium-ion batteries is expected to cost $400M. The most costly recall ever in the consumer electronics business.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #18 August 16, 2006 Quote Dell's recall of lithium-ion batteries is expected to cost $400M. The most costly recall ever in the consumer electronics business. Sony will be picking up much of that bill. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,085 #19 August 16, 2006 BTW saw "who killed the electric car?" last night. An interesting overview of the life (and death) of the GM EV-1. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
