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SkyDekker 1,465
QuoteIt's amazing how many people actually do think the government is responsible for taking care of them. That mentality has gotten even more out of hand up here in Canada.
Since my tax dollars go into keeping embassies and consular offices going. Since our department of Foreign Affairs is specifically there to help Canadians and Canadian companies abroad, it really isn't such a bizarre idea that the government should help out in some form.
I do have an issue when it comes to dual citizens who have chosen to reside in another country though.
That old American passport is just an "ace-in-the-hole" for some. It means nothing else to them.
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QuoteBut I don't have as much sympathy for those (especially the ones born in Lebanon) who permanently live in Lebanon but for some bizarre reason were allowed to hold Canadian passports.
I know what you mean. I don't quite understand how so many people can swing that.
I haven't seen too much public outcry to hurry things up like the Katrina fuck-ups.
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Gawain 0
I think the US goes far enough with the travel advisories issued by the Department of State. If provisions can be made to accommodate an evacuation, that's a bonus. Should the government make an effort, I believe yes, make a guarantee, no.
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On the news last night, there were American citizens immigrating to Israel and some were leaving immediately. One kid said he was going to join the army. What about Arabs going home to defend their country? This dual citizenship sucks. If the fortunes of war change for either side, I guess we will provide safe transportation home. What a fucked up system.QuoteQuoteBut I don't have as much sympathy for those (especially the ones born in Lebanon) who permanently live in Lebanon but for some bizarre reason were allowed to hold Canadian passports.
I know what you mean. I don't quite understand how so many people can swing that.
I haven't seen too much public outcry to hurry things up like the Katrina fuck-ups.
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They are not "responsible." That would imply the US being the overseers of their safety.
If the government CAN do something to get them out, they SHOULD make it available. I look at it as good training should something occur where the government IS responsible, i.e., evacuating an embassy.
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If the government CAN do something to get them out, they SHOULD make it available. I look at it as good training should something occur where the government IS responsible, i.e., evacuating an embassy.
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Royd 0
Doesn't that pretty much eliminate one side of the aisle?QuotePost: I think it's a nice thing to do, but if I were vacationing in Fiji and a tsunami hit, I wouldn't expect the US to rescue me.
The mentality that the government ought to bail you out of a rotten situation that you have gotten into (whether or not it's your fault) is really dangerous. It encourages an attitude of abandoning personal responsibility because Uncle Sam is going to take care of you.
I think it depends on the situation. If we are talking about getting Americans out of a war zone, then I think we should if it requires the Military to extract them. Especially in the case of Lebanon where the runways at the Beruit Airport have been bombed and it's impossible to fly out by commercial airliner.
I also think those who are rescued should have to pay for it because the govt. has warned Americans to stay away from the ME for a long time and those who are there chose to ignore the warnings.
In the case of a hurricaine or other natural disaster, I don't think they should be rescued by the govt.
I also think those who are rescued should have to pay for it because the govt. has warned Americans to stay away from the ME for a long time and those who are there chose to ignore the warnings.
In the case of a hurricaine or other natural disaster, I don't think they should be rescued by the govt.
MarkR 0
You kidding! Of course it is!
Even liberating remote countries in the Middle East from evil dictators is the US' responsibility!
Well... at least if there's some oil around.
Even liberating remote countries in the Middle East from evil dictators is the US' responsibility!
Well... at least if there's some oil around.
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lummy 4
I might have misunderstood the news report about the State dept airlifting evacuees out of Lebanon. One of the things the report mentioned was that the evacuees needed to reimburse the govt for the airlift.
If I have time, I'll try to find the report to confirm
If I have time, I'll try to find the report to confirm
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QuoteI might have misunderstood the news report about the State dept airlifting evacuees out of Lebanon. One of the things the report mentioned was that the evacuees needed to reimburse the govt for the airlift.
If I have time, I'll try to find the report to confirm
You are correct. It was the cost of a ticket (regarless of the plane) plus a dollar.
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QuoteQuoteI might have misunderstood the news report about the State dept airlifting evacuees out of Lebanon. One of the things the report mentioned was that the evacuees needed to reimburse the govt for the airlift.
If I have time, I'll try to find the report to confirm
You are correct. It was the cost of a ticket (regarless of the plane) plus a dollar.
I heard a rumor that they could only get on if they signed a promissary note to repay the govt.
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The world should fear to fuck with Americans...the only way to do that is to make them fear. Getting Americans out of trouble is a perfectly acceptable use of the military, you know, protecting us and all that shit. If Americans are in harms way we absolutely should get them out. We're not talking about someone who committed a crime who broke a reasonable law. If you don't think the government should be interested in the well being of its constituency...what do you think its purpose should be?
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QuoteIf you don't think the government should be interested in the well being of its constituency...what do you think its purpose should be?
But the government has issued travel warning about traveling over in that area. Isn't that enough?
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Richards 0
QuoteSince my tax dollars go into keeping embassies and consular offices going. Since our department of Foreign Affairs is specifically there to help Canadians and Canadian companies abroad, it really isn't such a bizarre idea that the government should help out in some form.
We simply do not have the capacity to carry out a major evacuation of Canadian citizens from another country. To do that requires a military with reasonable size and equipment. Unfortunately our taxpayers/voters have repeatedly allowed our government to strip our military down to nothing and therefore have only themselves to blame for the fact that our government cannot move as fast on this as countries that have funded a real military. It's funny how many of the people who criticised Stephen Harper for wanting spend money on large transport ships and aircraft for our military (which would have been ideal in this sort of evacuation) are the same ones who are now criticising him for not being able to get our citizens out despite the fact that our military was emmaciated before he even got in.
QuoteI do have an issue when it comes to dual citizens who have chosen to reside in another country though.
Agreed. Canadians of convenience. Come here long enough to get that magical "citizenship" and then move back home and pay taxes in another country, while dropping into Canada only when they need surgery, and flashing their Canadian passport whenever they wish to travel with ease.
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QuoteI've got sympathy for the Canadians (regardless of where they were born) who live in Canada and were caught in Lebanon while vacationing. But I don't have as much sympathy for those (especially the ones born in Lebanon) who permanently live in Lebanon but for some bizarre reason were allowed to hold Canadian passports.
Agreed. It seems many are sharing that sentiment.
http://calsun.canoe.ca/News/National/2006/07/21/1695683-sun.html
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Those warnings have show to be valid
. I don't believe it changes things. Are they stupid? Yes. Should we allow them to be slaughtered? No. The only reason for a military, police force, fire department is to protect its people. Even the stupid ones. Because they are in the middle east doesn't change the fact that they are Americans...simple, ignorant, short sighted, and those with children, negligent...but Americans none the less. We NEED to be seen protecting our own, we also need to be seen pounding flat anyone who would use Americans as bargaining chips...or object lessons of the hate (sometimes earned) they have for us.
. I don't believe it changes things. Are they stupid? Yes. Should we allow them to be slaughtered? No. The only reason for a military, police force, fire department is to protect its people. Even the stupid ones. Because they are in the middle east doesn't change the fact that they are Americans...simple, ignorant, short sighted, and those with children, negligent...but Americans none the less. We NEED to be seen protecting our own, we also need to be seen pounding flat anyone who would use Americans as bargaining chips...or object lessons of the hate (sometimes earned) they have for us.Faith in a holy cause is to a considerable extent a substitute for lost faith in ourselves.
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Scoop 0
What do you mean by compensation? You mean the rescued person should receive some money? If thats what you mean then no fucking way.
We had that in the UK with the fairly recent terrorist bombings. All the families started demanding huuuuuuge sums of money for the death of their loved ones. Seemed ridiculous to me at the time and still does. I could make a bomb and set it off tomorrow, no fault of the government. Maybe award enough to cover funeral costs but not large sums for their death. If they were so reliant on that person as a contributor to the family, they should have organised life insurance. Harsh but fair, why should 99.9999999% of the population suffer through freak events?
EDIT: I think I now understand better. I don't think the people should have to pay back the government for extracting them. I believe our Royal Navy is shipping Brits straight to Cyprus where they can then fend for themselves in a safe environment. Seems fair to me. We got enough refugees in this country without some more so-called Brits who moved away 20 odd years ago being shipped over
We had that in the UK with the fairly recent terrorist bombings. All the families started demanding huuuuuuge sums of money for the death of their loved ones. Seemed ridiculous to me at the time and still does. I could make a bomb and set it off tomorrow, no fault of the government. Maybe award enough to cover funeral costs but not large sums for their death. If they were so reliant on that person as a contributor to the family, they should have organised life insurance. Harsh but fair, why should 99.9999999% of the population suffer through freak events?
EDIT: I think I now understand better. I don't think the people should have to pay back the government for extracting them. I believe our Royal Navy is shipping Brits straight to Cyprus where they can then fend for themselves in a safe environment. Seems fair to me. We got enough refugees in this country without some more so-called Brits who moved away 20 odd years ago being shipped over
I've got sympathy for the Canadians (regardless of where they were born) who live in Canada and were caught in Lebanon while vacationing. But I don't have as much sympathy for those (especially the ones born in Lebanon) who permanently live in Lebanon but for some bizarre reason were allowed to hold Canadian passports.
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