SpeedRacer 1 #151 August 7, 2006 QuoteQuotenone of what you believe about the bible is factual. open your eyes, please Why do you care? It's about mind control: Hairyjuan thinks he can just make a statement, post a link, and it will suddenly change all of your spiritual beliefs right away. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 284 #152 August 7, 2006 Quote It's about mind control: Hairyjuan thinks he can just make a statement, post a link, and it will suddenly change all of your spiritual beliefs right away. ANd if he posts it 74,000 times then you are that much more likely to believe it. Its like the button to call a lift - everyone knows if you press it loads of times really quickly the lift comes faster Never try to eat more than you can lift Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #153 August 7, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuotenone of what you believe about the bible is factual. open your eyes, please Why do you care? It's about mind control: Hairyjuan thinks he can just make a statement, post a link, and it will suddenly change all of your spiritual beliefs right away. He is persistent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #154 August 7, 2006 Quotenone of what you believe about the bible is factual. open your eyes, please So you know all of what I believe about the bible? You're either the most brilliant person on earth or the most arrogant. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,594 #155 August 7, 2006 Quote The names on the left are authors: the names on right are books. According to tradition and fundamental theology, Luke wrote Luke and Acts, etc. I realise that, but the list is in an inconsistent format. Some authors have one listing with multiple books, others have multiple listings. Quote - Moses: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy (1400 B.C.) - Moses: Job (1400 B.C.) And contrast say, Ezra with John. *** - Ezra: 1 Chronicles, 2 Chronicles, Ezra, Nehemiah (450 B.C.) - John: John (90 A.D.) - John: 1 John, 2 John, 3 John (90 A.D.) - John: Revelation (90 A.D.) ***Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #156 August 7, 2006 The list is based on the order of their appearance in the protestant Bible, not the author. Much to do about nothing. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,594 #157 August 7, 2006 Quote The list is based on the order of their appearance in the protestant Bible, not the author. Much to do about nothing. Now that makes sense. Any reason for the apparent jumbling up of publishing dates in the old testament? Is it that the books been reordered to reflect the traditional chronology of events?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #158 August 7, 2006 Truthfully, I'm not sure, but I believe they are sectioned off in OT as "History" or Pentatuch (sp?), minor & major prophets, etc. I don't agree with all the dates listed. I have a less fundamental view of scripture and biblical authors. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
br0k3n 0 #159 August 8, 2006 QuoteHow are you going to save yourself? Stop avoiding the question, you are the one making wild claims about some almighty god that is all loving and caring, yet is for some reason allowing an estimated 5 children a second to waste away and die… would you not agree it is these children that need saving, not me……. and do you think your little scriptures are going to feed them!!!!!!!!!!!! QuoteJesus answered, it is written: Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God. Matthew 4:4 He humbled you, causing you to hunger and then feeding you with manna, which neither you nor your fathers had known, to teach you that man does not live on bread alone but on every word that comes from the mouth of the Lord. Deuteronomy 8:3 So your answer to world hunger is…. Matthew 4:4 and Deuteronomy 8:3!!!!!! And people still ask what is the harm in religion………. ***By the way, when are you heading off to Africa to save those people you know are going to die*** “By the way” I’ve been and helped, I admit its not much in the whole scheme of things but still more then your God has done… So what have you done, or more to the point what has your God done?????????----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #160 August 8, 2006 QuoteThe names on the left are authors: the names on right are books. According to tradition and fundamental theology, Luke wrote Luke and Acts, etc. of course there is NO EVIDENCE to support either the tradition or the theology..____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mockingbird 0 #161 August 8, 2006 Quote You tell me then, why is it called Faith where is the shining cross in the sky???? Is this a sincere question? Would you like to rephrase it? I don't know what you're asking. Quoteby the way are you going head off to Africa to save the homeless with your bible quotes???? just wondering how its going.... I've calculated that since I suggested it you about 18720 children have died due to hunger...why doesnt God help them, why does he just leave to them die?????? Maybe He wants you to go feed them. Bible quotes don't feed hungry people; they need food. Food that is available to them through the kindness of neighboring countries, not to mention available to them through hard work and ambition. There's no logical reason for them to be starving. Quote WHAT EVIDENCE??? show me.... Exhibit A: Look in the mirror. You've "been fearfully and wonderfully made; God weaved you in your mother's womb; He formed your inward parts." Then go look out the window--- no, not at office buildings and concrete. Look at the sky, look at the water, look at the trees and the mountains. Look up at night-- "When I consider Thy heavens, the work of Thy fingers, the moon and the stars which Thou hast ordained; What is man, that Thou dost take thought of him? And the son of man, that Thou dost care for him?" I could go on and on. Exhibit B: The Bible reveals God to you. The Bible is unlike any other book of antiquity; it is unique in many ways. Exhibit C: God appeared in human flesh in the person of Jesus Christ. He revealed God to you. Lord Byron said: "If ever man was God or God was man, Jesus Christ was both."Blue skies & happy jitters ~Mockingbird "Why is there something rather than nothing?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mockingbird 0 #162 August 8, 2006 Quote“By the way” I’ve been and helped, I admit its not much in the whole scheme of things but still more then your God has done… So what have you done, or more to the point what has your God done????????? Wow, br0k3n has been used of God to help starving people! How about that?! I wonder if br0k3n realized that he was part of God's plan!Blue skies & happy jitters ~Mockingbird "Why is there something rather than nothing?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
br0k3n 0 #163 August 8, 2006 QuoteQuote“By the way” I’ve been and helped, I admit its not much in the whole scheme of things but still more then your God has done… So what have you done, or more to the point what has your God done????????? Wow, br0k3n has been used of God to help starving people! How about that?! I wonder if br0k3n realized that he was part of God's plan! So let me get this straight, every action I take is just part of Gods plan?? is that correct... The same plan that included the Holocaust and estimated death of over 11million Jews, Poles, Gypsies, and homosexuals. The same plan that had Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold kill 12 students and injure 24 at Columbine High School. The same plan that had Alexander The Great massacre at least a quarter million city dwellers at Sindimana, Gaza, and other locations. The Same plan that had Almost all Muslim and Jewish inhabitants (approx 70,000) slaughtered in the first crusades. The Same plan that had Genghis Khan massacre 600,00 at the Herat massacre. The Same plan that saw over 1.3 million murdered during the Great Purge by Joseph Stalin during the late 1930's. The Same Plan that included The Rwandan Genocide, which was the massacre of an estimated 800,000 to 1,071,000 Tutsis and moderate Hutus in Rwanda, mostly carried out by two extremist Hutu militia groups. I could go on, but I hope you get my point, although I doubt that you will ----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 0 #164 August 8, 2006 QuoteWhich one of the approximate 40 authors over the course of 1500 years was misguided, duped, manipulative, or lying? Were they all? How should I know, I wasn't there. I'm getting on a bit but I'm not that old!!! But seriously, you've got a bunch of bronze age goat herders all babbling incoherently about some entity that makes no logical sense. What is more likely? 1. That this logically incoherent, unphysical entity that doesn't conform to the known laws of the universe and for which there are no known examples; actually exists or 2. it was made up story by humans who are well known to be gullible, manipulative, lying, meglomaniac fantasists to try to control and direct their society for some reason (even if the intentions were good and they actually believed their own gibberish)? On balance of probability alone, the possibility of 1 is so vanishingly small compared to 2 that to call it insignificant would be an exageration. Plus, if 1 is false and 2 is true, the bible makes complete sense. So, are you able to even consider the possibility that perhaps the bible is not the word of god? No? Didn't think so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
br0k3n 0 #165 August 8, 2006 QuoteMaybe He wants you to go feed them. Bible quotes don't feed hungry people; they need food. Food that is available to them through the kindness of neighboring countries, not to mention available to them through hard work and ambition. This is one of the key factors of Christianity and many other religions, in that it frees the believer from all responsibilities of the world. Quote There's no logical reason for them to be starving. The basic problem is poverty. Most Africans live in rural areas, where many are subsistence farmers, dependent on a good harvest to get enough food to eat. There are hardly any irrigation systems, so people rely on the rains. Now correct me if im mistaken but doesn’t the “weather” come under the control of your God, and im led to believe that it would be well within his power to make a little rain, as that’s basically all that is required. BUT NO, he likes to watch them suffer and die……. Personally I find that somewhat harsh..----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,594 #166 August 8, 2006 QuoteBible quotes don't feed hungry people; they need food. Food that is available to them through the kindness of neighboring countries, not to mention available to them through hard work and ambition. There's no logical reason for them to be starving. Are you kidding me? What about a hundred years of oppressive taxation and aggresive exploitation of natural resources from European occupiers? What about poorly handled and shortsighted handovers of power in nations created without reference to traditonal ethnic and social borders? What about high interest IMF and world bank 'development' loans conditional upon decreasing production of staple foods, increasing cash crops and adopting western intensive farming methods that simply do not translate to African soil? What about the fact that neighbouring countries are often not in a position to help since drought is rarely confined to political borders?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #167 August 8, 2006 QuoteThere's no logical reason for them to be starving. I dont know which is the better quote. That one, or the documented biblical fact one... Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #168 August 8, 2006 Quote Quote WHAT EVIDENCE??? show me.... Exhibit A: Look in the mirror. You've "been fearfully and wonderfully made; God weaved you in your mother's womb; He formed your inward parts." Then go look out the window--- no, not at office buildings and concrete. Look at the sky, look at the water, look at the trees and the mountains. Look up at night-- " That's not evidence of anything except that there was a creation. It does not follow that there had to be a creator, and even if there were a creator, there is no evidence that she was the god of your religion.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mockingbird 0 #169 August 8, 2006 QuoteSo let me get this straight, every action I take is just part of Gods plan?? is that correct... The same plan that included the Holocaust and estimated death of over 11million Jews, Poles, Gypsies, and homosexuals. The same plan that had Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold kill 12 students and injure 24 at Columbine High School. The same plan that had Alexander The Great massacre at least a quarter million city dwellers at Sindimana, Gaza, and other locations. The Same plan that had Almost all Muslim and Jewish inhabitants (approx 70,000) slaughtered in the first crusades. The Same plan that had Genghis Khan massacre 600,00 at the Herat massacre. The Same plan that saw over 1.3 million murdered during the Great Purge by Joseph Stalin during the late 1930's. The Same Plan that included The Rwandan Genocide, which was the massacre of an estimated 800,000 to 1,071,000 Tutsis and moderate Hutus in Rwanda, mostly carried out by two extremist Hutu militia groups. I could go on, but I hope you get my point, although I doubt that you will Posts like yours (the nonsense above) truly cause me to think that you are purposely misguided. You are so angry, not only at the world's injustices, but at God for "making" the world act so unjustly. 13 When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; 14 but each of you is tempted when you are dragged away by your own evil desire and enticed. 15 Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death. 16 Don't be deceived, my dear brothers and sisters. 17 Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows. James 1:13-17 (Today's New International Version) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mockingbird 0 #170 August 8, 2006 QuoteThis is one of the key factors of Christianity and many other religions, in that it frees the believer from all responsibilities of the world. You are putting words in my mouth and lying at the same time. Christianity doesn't "free" anyone from responsibility. Just the opposite--- it motivates them to act and to meet needs. Worse, you are lying to yourself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,594 #171 August 8, 2006 QuotePosts like yours (the nonsense above) truly cause me to think that you are purposely misguided. You are so angry, not only at the world's injustices, but at God for "making" the world act so unjustly. Whats wrong with his post? If Brokens actions were part of Gods plan, why are his examples not part of Gods plan? You are being inconsistent.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mockingbird 0 #172 August 8, 2006 QuoteAre you kidding me? What about a hundred years of oppressive taxation and aggresive exploitation of natural resources from European occupiers? What about poorly handled and shortsighted handovers of power in nations created without reference to traditonal ethnic and social borders? What about high interest IMF and world bank 'development' loans conditional upon decreasing production of staple foods, increasing cash crops and adopting western intensive farming methods that simply do not translate to African soil? What about the fact that neighbouring countries are often not in a position to help since drought is rarely confined to political borders? Mankind. There's plenty of blame to go around without bringing God into it. Man's greed and laziness. God is not unjust. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ntacfreefly 0 #173 August 8, 2006 But if everyone in mankind is part of Gods plan, how can mankind be to blame? If man truely has free will and mankind can affect the outcome of 'Gods plan' then one must concede that God has no control of his plan. Subsequently if one concedes that God has no control of his plan then one must concede that 'God' isn't really God after all. So either, God has a plan and we're all a part of it (including our actions) OR God has no master plan, or at least cannot control it (hence no plan), and isn't God after all. OR God just doesn't care what happens to us, no matter how inhumane or cruel it may be. Blues, IanTo the mind that is still, the whole universe surrenders. ~ Lao-Tzu It's all good, they're my brothers ~ Mariann Kramer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mockingbird 0 #174 August 8, 2006 QuoteWhats wrong with his post? If Brokens actions were part of Gods plan, why are his examples not part of Gods plan? You are being inconsistent. Hello? You don't see a difference between "br0k3n's actions" and the actions of those he cited? "br0k3n's actions"= good. Cited actions= bad. God is never behind the evil works in the world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,594 #175 August 8, 2006 QuoteHello? You don't see a difference between "br0k3n's actions" and the actions of those he cited? "br0k3n's actions"= good. Cited actions= bad. That is exactly what I was pointing out. If you believe in free will then you should accept that Brokens good actions are his own. If you believe in a divine plan and/or predestination then bad actions are part of that plan.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
