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Gee maybe we could "win" this war if all the right wing conservative warmongering chickenhawks would serve our country in Iraq instead of from half way around the world..



I have decided thay you calling me a chickenhawk is a complement because it defines me as being oposite of YOU!
Thank you

Same goes for conservative and warmnoger.!!
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We keep hearing the same thing about how the situation is getting better there from this administration. I think our leaders should lead from the front... you know.. like real "LEADERS". Lets at least sneak Rumsfeld back in to the Green zone and let him micromanage the "War" from there.


Just keep reading from your news sources and you will get the news that supports your (perfered) views as we all know there is nothing good happeinign over there unless you talk to the soldiers.



Just keep reading from your skewed propoganda sources and you will get the swill that supports your (preferred) views as we all know that this cakewalk mission has been accomplished since 2003.

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We keep hearing the same thing about how the situation is getting better there from this administration. I think our leaders should lead from the front... you know.. like real "LEADERS". Lets at least sneak Rumsfeld back in to the Green zone and let him micromanage the "War" from there.


Just keep reading from your news sources and you will get the news that supports your (perfered) views as we all know there is nothing good happeinign over there unless you talk to the soldiers.



Just keep reading from your skewed propoganda sources and you will get the swill that supports your (preferred) views as we all know that this cakewalk mission has been accomplished since 2003.



I come to realize that only conservative sources are propoganda and agendaized. Thanks for reminding me of the liberal superiority......
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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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Squares Bill .... going in squares.

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Hey. I beat ya to it. You trying to hijack my thread too. I tried to hijack it myself first>:(:P;)



Oh shit! Sorry eh! I am a plagiaristic bastard.

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Iraq lies in the Middle East, and my post was on the Middle East and not Iraq itself. You let your own hatred of GWB define what I wrote and responded accordingly.

Iraq itself is improving in some areas and going straight to hell in the proverbial handbasket in others.

The Middle East in general has some serious turd potential right now. The more moderate Arab states - Jordan and Egypt - along with Saudi Arabia are agitated with Iran and Syria over the recent Hezbollah activity in Southern Lebanon. Should the Israelis find or capture Iranian or Syrian advisors or troops on the ground in southern Lebanon, which they very well might do if Iran & Syria are aiding Hezbollah as much aid as I think they are, Israel might very well attack Tehran or Damascus - or both. The repurcussions of such an attack throughout the region would not be insignificant and regardless or our support of such an attack, our support and approval would be assumed.

Very dangerous right now in the middle east. Much more so than I can ever remember in my lifetime. The repurcussions of an all out war there would not be insignificant and will affect us all should it come to pass.
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You let your own hatred of GWB define what I wrote and responded accordingly.




I think your bias is definitely showing here Vinny...I do not hate GeorgieBoy at all .. BUT I do think he is an incompetent, lying, arrogant, war profiteering, coward, hypocritical fake Christian( too fool all the so called Christians out there into supporting him and his stupidity) who has cost this country its good name in the world.

This is opposed to your incessant childish name calling of Dims....El JeffeClintonista... and all of your other attempts at denigrating anyone who has not climbed on your ChickenHawk Bandwagon to bring about this very unneccary war that you so fully support. Trouble is... the people who started it.. are profiting from it... not the young men and women who DID stand up to serve their country unlike so many of those who you support so completely.

There is a passage or two in the Bible about the peacemakers as opposed those who have warmongered. Since they are all such good Christians( supposedly) in this administration..... I bet they are going to get a very rude surprise in their afterlife.

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I think your bias is definitely showing here Vinny...I do not hate GeorgieBoy at all .. BUT I do think he is an incompetent, lying, arrogant, war profiteering, coward, hypocritical fake Christian( too fool all the so called Christians out there into supporting him and his stupidity) who has cost this country its good name in the world.

This is opposed to your incessant childish name calling of Dims....El JeffeClintonista... and all of your other attempts at denigrating anyone who has not climbed on your ChickenHawk Bandwagon to bring about this very unneccary war that you so fully support.



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what's the difference between you & Vinnie?



The Ultra Right is constantly SHOWING us true hatred with wars .

Pointing out those facts is not the true hatred they often accuse anyone who does not agree with them of harboring.
Welcome to the NEWSPEAK......just 20 years after Orwell predicted.

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That was good for a chuckle. I do use expressions such as Dims, El Jefe Clintonista, and demoKKKrats with some regularity and feel they're quite funny. Kind of like GeorgieBoy - wouldn't you agree? There were both Democrats and Republicans who did not serve in Vietnam- all of whom had their reasons for doing so. Like today - not everyone has worn the uniform and nor should everyone wear the uniform. Some wearing it now, don't deserve to. I know a coward who abuses women that's about to deploy. His chain of command must be pretty damned short on people, knowing what he does. I digress. Blood boils thinking about the sonofabitch.

Anyhoo, for true hatred tune into Al Franken or read some of the Democratic Undergrounds postings. Or listen to Ms. Malveaux's unbiased [sic] reporting on CNN. Saying that Clarence Thomas' wife could serve the country by feeding him lots of bacon and eggs so he dies an early death is pretty hateful, don't you think? She does do some good journalism, however, so she's not all hateful. Just biased, and not all the time. You can also find hate on the right, but not nearly to such an extent.

I was hoping for a bit of conversation and banter about the current Middle East imbroglio but see that is impossible in this thread, as the focus is on GWB and Iraq vice the region as a whole. Most disappointing.
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Iraq lies in the Middle East, and my post was on the Middle East and not Iraq itself. You let your own hatred of GWB define what I wrote and responded accordingly.

Iraq itself is improving in some areas and going straight to hell in the proverbial handbasket in others.

The Middle East in general has some serious turd potential right now. The more moderate Arab states - Jordan and Egypt - along with Saudi Arabia are agitated with Iran and Syria over the recent Hezbollah activity in Southern Lebanon. Should the Israelis find or capture Iranian or Syrian advisors or troops on the ground in southern Lebanon, which they very well might do if Iran & Syria are aiding Hezbollah as much aid as I think they are, Israel might very well attack Tehran or Damascus - or both. The repurcussions of such an attack throughout the region would not be insignificant and regardless or our support of such an attack, our support and approval would be assumed.

Very dangerous right now in the middle east. Much more so than I can ever remember in my lifetime. The repurcussions of an all out war there would not be insignificant and will affect us all should it come to pass.
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all out war is going to happen there only a matter of time, before iran gets nukes would be best, otherwise most of the middle east would be destroyed by iran and the extremist, and not all iranians are happy with the current situation and pissed at the position that iran has taken in backing hezbolah. lots of countrys in the middle east see them as the bad egg in this and would like to see them taken out for good.
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We keep hearing the same thing about how the situation is getting better there from this administration. I think our leaders should lead from the front... you know.. like real "LEADERS". Lets at least sneak Rumsfeld back in to the Green zone and let him micromanage the "War" from there.


Just keep reading from your news sources and you will get the news that supports your (perfered) views as we all know there is nothing good happeinign over there unless you talk to the soldiers.

"unless you talk to the soldiers." Yeah they're prolly happy the've handed off a lot of the grief to the (WELL TRAINED) Iraqis. whom are turning or running and they can sit back a bit and sweat a bit less and hope to come home. "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED 2 the new movie out soon) To bad they haven't seen the trailers for> Iran 1 (the new series coming to your town soon);)
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Anyhoo, for true hatred tune into Al Franken or read some of the Democratic Undergrounds postings. Or listen to Ms. Malveaux's unbiased [sic] reporting on CNN. Saying that Clarence Thomas' wife could serve the country by feeding him lots of bacon and eggs so he dies an early death is pretty hateful, don't you think? She does do some good journalism, however, so she's not all hateful. Just biased, and not all the time. You can also find hate on the right, but not nearly to such an extent.



Sorry I do not listen to that spectrum at all... OOPS there goes your sterotype when you think about me....


BUT.. I guess we know where the REAL hate really does reside without you guys trying to constantly redirect America into thinging in NEWSPEAK.

Yeah your KKK thing is way off base in todays world.. since it is you and your friends who embrace the new CCoC.. the so called uptown KKK...all of who are solidy in your camp since they did not want to be in the same party as a bunch of n#$@#$.... yup I remember that time well when the South and Conservatives there shifted from the Dixiecrats to being good solid Republican base....retribution for Johnson going against all the good ole boys. Your characterization of Democrats seems to belie your education and current position.

Most of the current administration you guys voted into power are good at serving themselves.. certainly not thier country.. contrary to how they sound .. in the right wing media sound bites.
For such a group of warmongers you would think they would have wanted to get some trigger time for themselves back in the old days.. or hell even now....the way yall sound.. but being the cowards they are.. you KNOW that aint gonna happen.... nice company you keep..trading our youth for a good retirement fund.

Disgusting.. not disappointing.

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Anyhoo, for true hatred tune into Al Franken or read some of the Democratic Undergrounds postings. Or listen to Ms. Malveaux's unbiased [sic] reporting on CNN. Saying that Clarence Thomas' wife could serve the country by feeding him lots of bacon and eggs so he dies an early death is pretty hateful, don't you think? She does do some good journalism, however, so she's not all hateful. Just biased, and not all the time. You can also find hate on the right, but not nearly to such an extent.



Sorry I do not listen to that spectrum at all... OOPS there goes your sterotype when you think about me....


BUT.. I guess we know where the REAL hate really does reside without you guys trying to constantly redirect America into thinging in NEWSPEAK.

Yeah your KKK thing is way off base in todays world.. since it is you and your friends who embrace the new CCoC.. the so called uptown KKK...all of who are solidy in your camp since they did not want to be in the same party as a bunch of n#$@#$.... yup I remember that time well when the South and Conservatives there shifted from the Dixiecrats to being good solid Republican base....retribution for Johnson going against all the good ole boys. Your characterization of Democrats seems to belie your education and current position.

Most of the current administration you guys voted into power are good at serving themselves.. certainly not thier country.. contrary to how they sound .. in the right wing media sound bites.
For such a group of warmongers you would think they would have wanted to get some trigger time for themselves back in the old days.. or hell even now....the way yall sound.. but being the cowards they are.. you KNOW that aint gonna happen.... nice company you keep..trading our youth for a good retirement fund.

Disgusting.. not disappointing.



Your whole post proves that you don't have a stinking clue what you are talking about or post. Your hate America world must be a miserable place to live.

You can keep your America. The real America that I love and currently live in(regardless of who is in power) is doing just fine.

I hope that those of like thought and feeling keep speaking loudly because if they (you) do Republicans will be in power for years to come.

It is work to hate. You must be tired all the time huh?:S
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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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Your whole post proves that you don't have a stinking clue what you are talking about or post. Your hate America world must be a miserable place to live.

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You can keep your America. The real America that I love and currently live in(regardless of who is in power) is doing just fine.

I hope that those of like thought and feeling keep speaking loudly because if they (you) do Republicans will be in power for years to come.

It is work to hate. You must be tired all the time huh?



Wow... a guess a few history classes at the local college would help you out to not be as your tag line says

See what happens when you get all your talking points from Karl Rove, RNC and the KKK/CCofC websites....but go right ahead and let them tell you what to think.. like so many of the sheeple in the red states.

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Your whole post proves that you don't have a stinking clue what you are talking about or post. Your hate America world must be a miserable place to live.

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You can keep your America. The real America that I love and currently live in(regardless of who is in power) is doing just fine.

I hope that those of like thought and feeling keep speaking loudly because if they (you) do Republicans will be in power for years to come.

It is work to hate. You must be tired all the time huh?



Wow... a guess a few history classes at the local college would help you out to not be as your tag line says

See what happens when you get all your talking points from Karl Rove, RNC and the KKK/CCofC websites....but go right ahead and let them tell you what to think.. like so many of the sheeple in the red states.


The truth has a cutting edge when thrown back at you. Hope you don't bleed or cry too much.
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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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Not to be a downer, but if you turn a corner eight times - aren't you going in circles?



Squares Bill .... going in squares.

Richards



They did not specify the angles. We could be dealing with rectangles, parallelograms, trapezoids, or my personal favorite - the rhombus. I like it because it sounds a lot like rumba. Maybe that's it, we should teach them all the Latin American dances.
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As I stated, it seems impossible to discuss the Middle East in this thread. Good for another chuckle, but you're still behind Lucky for my coveted Speaker's Corner Humorous Post of the Year award. Since partisanship is apparently the new theme of the thread, let me try and be partisan too just to be cooperative and respond a bit to your humorous commentary. i'm a bit mellow these days, so I hope my conservative friends in here will forgive me if I'm not very fiery...

I find it odd that you don't watch CNN. They do some excellent journalism and I recommend them highly, even if they do lean to the left quite a bit. FOX is also a great source of news, as is my favorite magazine, The Economist. I prefer FOX for TV news, but that's just me. I watch both about equally - perhaps a bit more Fox as I do prefer their commentary programs when I have time to watch. You really should tune into Mr. Franken and visit DU.com - you'd find many kindred spirits there. I go to DemocraticUndreground for a laugh on occasion.

I haven't used the term 'demoKKKrat' or 'demoKKKlaner' in quite a while in here, but when I do make use of either I feel the play on spelling to be quite apropos. I've compared and contrasted the KKK with the DNC platform before and you were incapable of finding fault with it. Go back and review it if you like - if you find fault I'll happily recant. Good luck - you'll need it.

We're forty years past the sixties now and both the RNC and DNC have evolved markedly since then - just like society as a whole. The racists of today tend to reside in the NAACP, NAN, CAIR, and other such organizations, though I believe that all political parties do have racists in them. The former Grand Wizard and current senior senator from WV still resides in the Senate and to this day supports racial discrimination, as a nice data point for you. That in itself makes my little play on spelling most appropriate, one might say. David Duke is ostricized by the RNC and conservatives in general. Didn't both Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson run for president on the Democratic ticket? With enough support for a nationwide campaign? Do you really wonder why my play on spelling of the word 'democrat' strikes home a bit?
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Call all republicans, conservatives, libertarians, and non-liberals cowards all you like. Some, in truth, are. The coward SOB I spoke of in a previous post in this thread leans to the right, I do believe.

I argue that anyone who can't state what they support is a coward. Along the KKK line of thinking that you've brought to bear, how many democrats have you seen on the campaign trail touting their support of racial discrimination for employment, promotion, and collegiate admission? How many run like cowards when pressed over their support of such? Since you didn't answer my question about Ms. Malveaux, I'll answer these two questions for you. None of them tout their support of racial discrimination, they instead call it 'affirmative action' and refuse to admit it's the same thing because they lack the courage. About 99% of them run like cowards when pressed on the issue. Sad, because you can form an argument as to how such programs are useful. Not a strong one, mind you, but one can form an argument in support of affirmative action and some fine, upstanding, and intelligent people do in fact support it.

That's enough partisanship for me today. I'm cooking some goodies for a visiting friend later this week and need to hit the grocery store prior to reading on the beach and working out.

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***Not to be a downer, but if you turn a corner eight times - aren't you going in circles?



Squares Bill .... going in squares.

Richards



They did not specify the angles. We could be dealing with rectangles, parallelograms, trapezoids, or my personal favorite - the rhombus. I like it because it sounds a lot like rumba. Maybe that's it, we should teach them all the Latin American dances.



Ahhh gosh dang-it! I fucked up and completely overlooked the other shapes. Why I bother evin try'in to git edicated I can't figure.[:/][:/]

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Since partisanship is apparently the new theme of the thread, let me try and be partisan too just to be cooperative and respond a bit to your humorous commentary. i'm a bit mellow these days, so I hope my conservative friends in here will forgive me if I'm not very fiery...



I guess that happens when you apply Tequila logic to an issue such as racism.

I find it sad that a white man such as yourself can not see the difference such as Affirmative action... somethhing brought about to redress the abuses those like you have perpetrated on other races and gneders for millenia..... and your organizations you apparently support by this percieved slight against your race and gender... such organizations that support true hatred of other races.. religeons.. and sexual orientation by beating them and hanging them....SAD Vinny SAD



Of course Affirmative Action is discriminating.. ALL people discriminate( dis·crim·i·nate ( P ) Pronunciation Key (d-skrm-nt)
v. dis·crim·i·nat·ed, dis·crim·i·nat·ing, dis·crim·i·nates
v. intr.

To make a clear distinction; distinguish: discriminate among the options available.
To make sensible decisions; judge wisely.
To make distinctions on the basis of class or category without regard to individual merit; show preference or prejudice: was accused of discriminating against women; discriminated in favor of his cronies.

v. tr.
To perceive the distinguishing features of; recognize as distinct: discriminate right from wrong.
To distinguish by noting differences; differentiate: unable to discriminate colors.
To make or constitute a distinction in or between: methods that discriminate science from pseudoscience)

Yet when your buddies in the CCofC and the KKK discriminate it is based on hatred of others rather than a desire to level the playing filed you guys set up.. and MAN does that piss off you guys in those organizations.
As an educated man.. I would think you could see that difference.. not be blinded by your hatred of those who do not agree with you.

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Your level of hilarity is declining. You're never going to surpass Lucky if the trend continues. The vitriolic partisan tone is there, but just not as funny. Keep working.

I don't identify myself by my race and don't really care what color anyone else is. Can you give me a reason why I should? If the racists supporting racial discrimination under the guise of affirmative action did the same, then perhaps they'd realize why what they support is so despicable. It's not that such racial discrimination is a slight against my own or any other conservative's race or gender - we don't identify ourselves that way and could care less. It's that racial discrimination for purposes of employment, advancement, admission, or retention or anything similar is utterly despicable in and of itself and has no place in a civilized society.

I have no friends in either the CCC or the KKK, though I do know some losers in the KKK. Those with political bumper stickers were sporting their Kerry bumper stickers proudly even after the election when I was home in KY visiting my parents. They don't talk to Catholic folks, so I didn't coverse with them. Perhaps you could meet up and party. They support racial discrimination - so do you! You also vote the same way, so you've got more than one thing in common. Tell them you're a skydiver, and they'll undoubtedly provide cheap entertainment, and perhaps even give you a sheet to wear. You too can then say 'hold mah beer and waaaaaatch this!'

Neither leftists nor conservatives alone set up the early society of the US - it was done by people of many different religious and political beliefs. Your assertion that conservative white men set up a system of racial discrimination on their own holds no merit.

Again, for hatred against anyone who disagrees with the political beliefs of another, look no further than the DNC for examples aplenty. Borking, for example, immediately springs to mind. Cynthia McKinney and her father's oh so classy comments after her electoral defeat a couple of years ago. Or Ms. Malveaux's comments on Justice Thomas. The hatred spewing out of Julian Bond's mouth towards Mr. Bush during the last election cycle. Messrs. Bond and Jack$on's comments on Mr. Steel during Maryland's gubernatorial election and the oreo cookies that were passed out (not thrown) during one of that election's debates. Plenty of other examples are out there. The left has made a habit of character assassination for anyone who disagrees with them on their most coveted issues. The right to a far, far lesser extent.

I don't hate those who disagree with me - on most things at any rate. In contrast, I frequently try to engage them and banter about such disagreements. 'tis unfortunate that they tend to do their best imitation of Monty Python's Sir Robin when challenged to answer the most basic of questions about the positions they tend to hold.

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I don't identify myself by my race and don't really care what color anyone else is. Can you give me a reason why I should?



because the revered Condoleezza Rice thinks you should:

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Rice said "it is appropriate to use race as one factor among others in achieving a diverse student body.



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In an interview with the American Urban Radio Network, Rice said she agreed that affirmative action is needed "if it does not lead to quotas."



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"My own personal view is that there are circumstances in which it is necessary to use race as a factor among many factors in diversifying a college class," she told the network "And so I've been a supporter of affirmative action that is not quota based and that does not seek to make race the only factor, but that considers race as one of many factors."



Guess you won't be voting for her if she ever runs for office.......

Edited to add: Does that mean she is a racist, or maybe she isn't a true conservative?

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