JohnRich 4
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QuotePhew! It sure is a good thing that in 1997 they banned handguns and semi-auto long guns!
QuoteHow much longer are you going to whine about this?
How much longer you gonna whine about this?
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kallend 2,182
QuoteQuoteAnd despite repeated requests you can't provide a link to any post where I stated anything other than that homicides were down in Chicago. No adjectives like "dramatically" or phrases like "great downward trend".
How much longer are you going to whine about this?
Taken your lesson on calculating percentages yet?
Homicides in Chicago DOWN 30% since 2002. How're things in Houston?
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
JohnRich 4
QuoteI can't be held responsible for others misinterpretations.
You showed a photo of an AR-15 type firearm. The world knows those to be almost exclusively in caliber .223. Yet yours was an exception to the rule in puny .22 rimfire, and you didn't bother to tell anyone that. You intentionally omitted that information to make people believe something that wasn't true - that the citizens of England can own standard AR-15 rifles. You should have been more forthcoming and specific to prevent confusion, and you are entirely responsible for your own misrepresentation.
kallend 2,182
QuoteQuoteAnd despite repeated requests you can't provide a link to any post where I stated anything other than that homicides were down in Chicago. No adjectives like "dramatically" or phrases like "great downward trend".
How much longer are you going to whine about this?QuoteChicago homicides are down by 25% since 2003 and 30% since 2002 (FBI UCR data).
They're down nationwide in similar amounts. Chicago ain't nothing special in that regard.
Oh, by the way, your original comparison was to LAST YEAR. So once again, you are using trickery and deceipt to avoid answering the question:
HOW MUCH ARE HOMICIDES DOWN IN CHICAGO SINCE LAST YEAR?
This is the 4th time I've asked now. Try once again to provide an honest answer. I know you can do it if you really, really focus.
I think it's quite interesting that the anti-gun folks like you and Skyrad have to resort to trickery and deceipt in your arguments, because the facts just aren't on your side. Readers: beware.
They are down by more than 100x the amount you claimed.
How are homicides in Houston? If 25% increase in 10 years (England) is "soaring" (your description), what adjective do you use to describe Houston's rate of change?
Post a link to any post where I described Chicago's drop as "dramatic" (your words attributed to me) or retract.
You might also try being honest enough to include MY references to NYC, Detroit and LA, instead of editing them out every time and just concentrating on Chicago which had the smallest drop.
FACTS are on my side. Homicides are DOWN in Chicago, NYC, Detroit and LA, and are UP in Texas. Source, FBI Uniform Crime Reports.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
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JohnRich 4
QuoteRe: England knife laws. If there is a law against it in another country...who are you to say that he did nothing wrong?
Doing something wrong with a 4" pocketknife would be brandishing it in a threatening manner at someone, committing robbery with it, etc.
Walking down the street with it in your pocket because it's a common handy personal tool, is not doing something wrong.
Do you not see any difference in these two uses of a pocketknife?
Do you consider mere possession to be the same offense as aggravated robbery?
JohnRich 4
QuoteWell, let's see. In 4 years Chicago's homicide rate as reported by the FBI has decreased by 33%, and you call that "a few". In 10 years the England rate went up 25%, and JohnRich trumpeted "Homicides Soar". Anyone notice an inconsistency in the use of descriptors?
Well I am not John Rich and neither are you, so to compare the two is pointless.
And isn't it ironic how kallend, who has been whining for weeks about my calling him out on his emphasis of the word "DOWN" in all-capital letters, is now making up his own descriptors in the exact same way to claim that I was "trumpeting" a word, that was actually just a quote from a newspaper.
The only inconsistency is that kallend started out talking about Chicago's murder change from last year (of one single incident), and is now using 4-year numbers to try and salvage his credibility.
The responses are getting way too repetitious and juvenile here, with the tone of "Did not!" and "Did too". It's time for the moderators to lock this thread. Everyone has had their say; put a bullet in it.
kallend 2,182
QuoteQuoteWell, let's see. In 4 years Chicago's homicide rate as reported by the FBI has decreased by 33%, and you call that "a few". In 10 years the England rate went up 25%, and JohnRich trumpeted "Homicides Soar". Anyone notice an inconsistency in the use of descriptors?
Well I am not John Rich and neither are you, so to compare the two is pointless.
And isn't it ironic how kallend, who has been whining for weeks about my calling him out on his emphasis of the word "DOWN" in all-capital letters, is now making up his own descriptors in the exact same way to claim that I was "trumpeting" a word, that was actually just a quote from a newspaper.
The only inconsistency is that kallend started out talking about Chicago's murder change from last year (of one single incident), and is now using 4-year numbers to try and salvage his credibility.
DOWN 0.21% is better than UP 5% like Texas.
www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2279041#2279041
Where's the capitalization in my original post linked above?
My my, there IS no capitalization! Nor any adjective like "dramatic" or "significant".
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
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SkyDekker 1,465
QuoteDoing something wrong with a 4" pocketknife would be brandishing it in a threatening manner at someone, committing robbery with it, etc.
Walking down the street with it in your pocket because it's a common handy personal tool, is not doing something wrong.
Do you not see any difference in these two uses of a pocketknife?
Do you consider mere possession to be the same offense as aggravated robbery?
What I think really has no baring on British law.
For instance. I don't see anything wrong with having a couple of grams of marijuana in my pocket. I don't think that your marijuana use has significantly declined since your War on Drugs.
Do you see me starting a thread every 10 days about the drug laws in the US and how useless they are? I may participate in a discussion and give my opinion on stated goals and how they are being achieved. See any difference?
kallend 2,182
Quoteput a bullet in it.
Your answer to all life's problems?
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
QuoteQuoteRe: England knife laws. If there is a law against it in another country...who are you to say that he did nothing wrong?
Doing something wrong with a 4" pocketknife would be brandishing it in a threatening manner at someone, committing robbery with it, etc.
Walking down the street with it in your pocket because it's a common handy personal tool, is not doing something wrong.
Do you not see any difference in these two uses of a pocketknife?
Do you consider mere possession to be the same offense as aggravated robbery?
Skydekker was trying to inform you that if someone carries a large knife with them in the UK it is illegal and therefore they have committed an offence regardless of whether you think it should be an offence or not - the fact remains that it is and so they HAVE done something wrong.
As I have tried to point out to you already there is a culture difference between the USA and UK and so you cannot compare the two satisfactorily. If it was legal to carry what we now term offensive weapons in the UK many more people would carry them.... and use them. Our accident and emergency rooms are struggling to cope on Friday and Saturday nights as it is. If weapons were routinely carried instead of settling differences with a punch up we'd have many more stabbings and shootings. Come over to a typical town in the UK and go out at the weekend and sink 10 pints of Stella in a pub, then go to a club and then onto a takeaway. Witness what happens on a typical weekend night out and then see if you feel the same way about knives.
(Edited for spelling mistake)
Skyrad 0
QuoteQuoteAnd despite repeated requests you can't provide a link to any post where I stated anything other than that homicides were down in Chicago. No adjectives like "dramatically" or phrases like "great downward trend".
How much longer are you going to whine about this?QuoteChicago homicides are down by 25% since 2003 and 30% since 2002 (FBI UCR data).
They're down nationwide in similar amounts. Chicago ain't nothing special in that regard.
Oh, by the way, your original comparison was to LAST YEAR. So once again, you are using trickery and deceipt to avoid answering the question:
HOW MUCH ARE HOMICIDES DOWN IN CHICAGO SINCE LAST YEAR?
This is the 4th time I've asked now. Try once again to provide an honest answer. I know you can do it if you really, really focus.
I think it's quite interesting that the anti-gun folks like you and Skyrad have to resort to trickery and deceipt in your arguments, because the facts just aren't on your side. Readers: beware.
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I'm far from anti gun. i'm for responsible use and control.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
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Skyrad 0
QuoteQuoteI can't be held responsible for others misinterpretations.
You showed a photo of an AR-15 type firearm. The world knows those to be almost exclusively in caliber .223. Yet yours was an exception to the rule in puny .22 rimfire, and you didn't bother to tell anyone that. You intentionally omitted that information to make people believe something that wasn't true - that the citizens of England can own standard AR-15 rifles. You should have been more forthcoming and specific to prevent confusion, and you are entirely responsible for your own misrepresentation.
You're trying to get away from the point that your statement was inaccurate. The weapon shown is simply a semi auto long that is legal in the UK.
When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca
Lucius Annaeus Seneca
How much longer are you going to whine about this?
They're down nationwide in similar amounts. Chicago ain't nothing special in that regard.
Oh, by the way, your original comparison was to LAST YEAR. So once again, you are using trickery and deceipt to avoid answering the question:
HOW MUCH ARE HOMICIDES DOWN IN CHICAGO SINCE LAST YEAR?
This is the 4th time I've asked now. Try once again to provide an honest answer. I know you can do it if you really, really focus.
I think it's quite interesting that the anti-gun folks like you and Skyrad have to resort to trickery and deceipt in your arguments, because the facts just aren't on your side. Readers: beware.
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