rehmwa 2 #51 July 13, 2006 QuoteYou can kind of imagine Bluto soaring off into the distance in a parabola coupled with a "sock" sound effect followed by a falling bomb type "whistle". I kinda thought this is what's going on in everybody's minds all the time anyway. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #52 July 13, 2006 I guess powerful firearms just aren't neccesary in every day life. Unless you are a big game hunter what need do you have for a high velocity rifle or fully automatic rifle, even a pistol. As a nation we don't feel the need to carry firearms on the whole. Although my previous calculation was an error, ratio of persons per murder per country is 5 to 1. Thats still a hell of a lot better than you guys if you don't mind me saying so. Well who cares if you do. Its fact after all. The trouble with firearms is any faggot can pick up a gun and shoot someone. They dont even need to get close. Its very impersonal and in my opinion (having never killed anyone might I add) is a lot easier. We all know soldiers find it easier to shoot at silhouettes or distant figures than if you gave them a knife and told them to slit someones throat. John, I have to say, I find it fucking annoying that you bring up a topic like this with no argument or constructive comment other than 'you guys got it all wrong'. Well it appears we haven't. Maybe you could make it your life mission to visit every single victims family of those affected by gun crime and tell them that your doing the right thing. Your son or daughter didn't die for nothing. Its a great American tradition! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #53 July 13, 2006 QuoteQuoteYou decided to take this thread down the shitter in a heartbeat now didn't you I take it you dont know how to back up your statement that it is comparing apples to oranges? No, I know exactly how to back it up but two things One, it is irrelenent to the thread and Two, I am oh so tired of that debate."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #54 July 13, 2006 You posted "every single victims family of those affected by gun crime "Quote This is were you have it all wrong. Guns do not commite the crimes. I don't care if your country chooses not to have them. I do not wish to change you minds about having them. Like wise, you should not care if the US chooses to have and carry them. But just because we do not agree doen't make me wrong (or you either) There is a big difference however in how one side views the other. (this is where most of my heartburn comes from) You don't want them fine. If I want them that is fine too....."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Scoop 0 #55 July 13, 2006 Yeah its fine, just don't like heavily biased people telling us how we got it wrong when the staistics swing hugely in our favour. I guess given your culture you'd be better off to own a gun than be without but not here me ol' mucker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #56 July 13, 2006 QuoteYeah its fine, just don't like heavily biased people telling us how we got it wrong when the staistics swing hugely in our favour. I guess given your culture you'd be better off to own a gun than be without but not here me ol' mucker There YOU go again. Given our culture? Oh well, I keep forgeting you all know you are better than we are"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Scoop 0 #57 July 13, 2006 Sorry dude. I was trying to think of a better term. Maybe given the climate for gun crime and posesiion. TO be without one would put you very much at a disadvantaged position. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GTAVercetti 0 #58 July 13, 2006 I don't own a gun. And I am still alive.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #59 July 13, 2006 Honestly, that's not any better than "given our culture". It's just a veiled statement that you don't thick we are just a little different and have different priorities and culture that should be respected as much as any other. It's a veiled statement that you think the culture is worse and more evil and violent. I'd think you just watch too many movies (BTW, since 70% of all movie receipts comes from non-US viewing, the "US" Hollywood community primarily focuses on satisfying that larger market" - the international demand is just asking for the US to be portrayed in that light because that's what they want validated.) Why is it so hard to accept the 'agree to disagree' statement from rushmc? He doesn't offer them very often. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Scoop 0 #60 July 13, 2006 Hmm, I know what I mean but it just doesn't come out right and I rub people up the wrong way. I was trying to agree. I wasn't saying your a more violent country just that it seems natural taht if more people have possesion of weapons then to be equal you need one too. Quite simple. Never mind. I'll just shut my big fat mouth and agree to disagree Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GTAVercetti 0 #61 July 13, 2006 QuoteHmm, I know what I mean but it just doesn't come out right and I rub people up the wrong way. I was trying to agree. Never mind. So I'll just shut my big fat mouth and agree to disagree Your position is a familar one though. When I was living in England, all my flatmates thought I owned 40 guns and that I could not walk anywhere in the US without the danger of being shot. Just remember, the loudest voices, from ANY country, are often those with the most extreme position. Or Hollywood. Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Scoop 0 #62 July 13, 2006 QuoteJust remember, the loudest voices, from ANY country, are often those with the most extreme position. Agreed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #63 July 13, 2006 QuoteSorry dude. I was trying to think of a better term. Maybe given the climate for gun crime and posesiion. TO be without one would put you very much at a disadvantaged position. I like this way it is put but I don't agree totally with the last line. But one thing I have not brought up in this thread are crime stats. You might want to go take a look and compare (in my best Gump voice) and thats all I am going to say about that Live safe and well my friend."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #64 July 13, 2006 I know what you mean to say. It's just a position that's either a bit hollywood based, or it's the continuing disconnect between legal vs illegal ownership (or responsible vs irresponsible ownership). Where I grew up, gun ownership was no scarier than owning butter knives (not yet illegal, I believe, in Europe, just Airlines.....) Since it was natural to own and be around them (both guns and the butter knives), there was never really crime related issues with the guns. Making them scary actually encouraged the bad crowd to gravitate to them - it's self fulfilling. Cars are scary too if they aren't part of the culture. Now sock puppets, they should be outlawed. They kill more children each day than heavy cream and bacon grease combined. Appreciate your viewpoint though. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #65 July 13, 2006 I too value your viewpoint! Thanks for your time"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites downwardspiral 0 #66 July 13, 2006 QuoteQuotewasn't it 1/5th prior to the gun ban in 1997? If so, I guess I'm missing your point....mate. My point is clear but all you've done is claim confusion. You're welcome to make a counterpoint of your own. I thought I did make a counterpoint. I'll give you points for seeing a logic trap for what it is. Unfortunately, those points are largely overshadowed by the condescending nature of your reply. So lets break down your original post for clarity's sake. Shall we? How do you define success? Here it seems you are implying the possibility of the 1997 UK gun ban being successful. According to you a murder rate 1/50th of the U.S. is a huge failure if the murder rate nudges up a bit. Here it seems you are admitting its a failure yet arguing that it isn't a "huge failure." You didn't intend to contradict yourself did you? Nobody gets to see the alternative, you're left drawing comparrisons between different situations but when you draw comparrisons between the UK and the US while ignoring absolutely glaring disparities in murder rates which completely devastate any sad point you're trying to make you look completely intellectually dishonest. Here it seems you are attacking John for ingoring disparities when in fact the disparities make absoulutely no difference. What is being measured is the level of change preban/postban. 1/50th the murder rate John. If you were smart you'd envy that kind of disparity, but you're too busy polishing your AR-15 to notice, thinking it'll save you when it's your turn. I really have no idea what your point is here. As a whole, it appears you are far more intent to attack John then to actually debate the issue. Which to me, btw, is intellectually dishonest. So now that I have broken it down, I ask again. What is your point good sir? www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GTAVercetti 0 #67 July 13, 2006 Let's hug it out bitch!Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Scoop 0 #68 July 13, 2006 QuoteLet's hug it out bitch! Your gun is sticking in my hip Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GTAVercetti 0 #69 July 13, 2006 QuoteQuoteLet's hug it out bitch! Your gun is sticking in my hip We have already established that I do not own a gun. Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #70 July 13, 2006 QuoteLet's hug it out bitch! "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #71 July 13, 2006 QuoteQuoteLet's hug it out bitch! Your gun is sticking in my hip Sorry"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #72 July 13, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteLet's hug it out bitch! Your gun is sticking in my hip We have already established that I do not own a gun. He knows!!!"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Scoop 0 #73 July 13, 2006 Quote We have already established that I do not own a gun. In that case I should start worrying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GTAVercetti 0 #74 July 13, 2006 QuoteQuote We have already established that I do not own a gun. In that case I should start worrying It is cool. It is just my 1980's cellular phone.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites christelsabine 1 #75 July 13, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteLet's hug it out bitch! Your gun is sticking in my hip We have already established that I do not own a gun. He knows!!! "Love is in the air...." 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Scoop 0 #55 July 13, 2006 Yeah its fine, just don't like heavily biased people telling us how we got it wrong when the staistics swing hugely in our favour. I guess given your culture you'd be better off to own a gun than be without but not here me ol' mucker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #56 July 13, 2006 QuoteYeah its fine, just don't like heavily biased people telling us how we got it wrong when the staistics swing hugely in our favour. I guess given your culture you'd be better off to own a gun than be without but not here me ol' mucker There YOU go again. Given our culture? Oh well, I keep forgeting you all know you are better than we are"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #57 July 13, 2006 Sorry dude. I was trying to think of a better term. Maybe given the climate for gun crime and posesiion. TO be without one would put you very much at a disadvantaged position. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #58 July 13, 2006 I don't own a gun. And I am still alive.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #59 July 13, 2006 Honestly, that's not any better than "given our culture". It's just a veiled statement that you don't thick we are just a little different and have different priorities and culture that should be respected as much as any other. It's a veiled statement that you think the culture is worse and more evil and violent. I'd think you just watch too many movies (BTW, since 70% of all movie receipts comes from non-US viewing, the "US" Hollywood community primarily focuses on satisfying that larger market" - the international demand is just asking for the US to be portrayed in that light because that's what they want validated.) Why is it so hard to accept the 'agree to disagree' statement from rushmc? He doesn't offer them very often. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #60 July 13, 2006 Hmm, I know what I mean but it just doesn't come out right and I rub people up the wrong way. I was trying to agree. I wasn't saying your a more violent country just that it seems natural taht if more people have possesion of weapons then to be equal you need one too. Quite simple. Never mind. I'll just shut my big fat mouth and agree to disagree Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #61 July 13, 2006 QuoteHmm, I know what I mean but it just doesn't come out right and I rub people up the wrong way. I was trying to agree. Never mind. So I'll just shut my big fat mouth and agree to disagree Your position is a familar one though. When I was living in England, all my flatmates thought I owned 40 guns and that I could not walk anywhere in the US without the danger of being shot. Just remember, the loudest voices, from ANY country, are often those with the most extreme position. Or Hollywood. Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #62 July 13, 2006 QuoteJust remember, the loudest voices, from ANY country, are often those with the most extreme position. Agreed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #63 July 13, 2006 QuoteSorry dude. I was trying to think of a better term. Maybe given the climate for gun crime and posesiion. TO be without one would put you very much at a disadvantaged position. I like this way it is put but I don't agree totally with the last line. But one thing I have not brought up in this thread are crime stats. You might want to go take a look and compare (in my best Gump voice) and thats all I am going to say about that Live safe and well my friend."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #64 July 13, 2006 I know what you mean to say. It's just a position that's either a bit hollywood based, or it's the continuing disconnect between legal vs illegal ownership (or responsible vs irresponsible ownership). Where I grew up, gun ownership was no scarier than owning butter knives (not yet illegal, I believe, in Europe, just Airlines.....) Since it was natural to own and be around them (both guns and the butter knives), there was never really crime related issues with the guns. Making them scary actually encouraged the bad crowd to gravitate to them - it's self fulfilling. Cars are scary too if they aren't part of the culture. Now sock puppets, they should be outlawed. They kill more children each day than heavy cream and bacon grease combined. Appreciate your viewpoint though. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #65 July 13, 2006 I too value your viewpoint! Thanks for your time"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #66 July 13, 2006 QuoteQuotewasn't it 1/5th prior to the gun ban in 1997? If so, I guess I'm missing your point....mate. My point is clear but all you've done is claim confusion. You're welcome to make a counterpoint of your own. I thought I did make a counterpoint. I'll give you points for seeing a logic trap for what it is. Unfortunately, those points are largely overshadowed by the condescending nature of your reply. So lets break down your original post for clarity's sake. Shall we? How do you define success? Here it seems you are implying the possibility of the 1997 UK gun ban being successful. According to you a murder rate 1/50th of the U.S. is a huge failure if the murder rate nudges up a bit. Here it seems you are admitting its a failure yet arguing that it isn't a "huge failure." You didn't intend to contradict yourself did you? Nobody gets to see the alternative, you're left drawing comparrisons between different situations but when you draw comparrisons between the UK and the US while ignoring absolutely glaring disparities in murder rates which completely devastate any sad point you're trying to make you look completely intellectually dishonest. Here it seems you are attacking John for ingoring disparities when in fact the disparities make absoulutely no difference. What is being measured is the level of change preban/postban. 1/50th the murder rate John. If you were smart you'd envy that kind of disparity, but you're too busy polishing your AR-15 to notice, thinking it'll save you when it's your turn. I really have no idea what your point is here. As a whole, it appears you are far more intent to attack John then to actually debate the issue. Which to me, btw, is intellectually dishonest. So now that I have broken it down, I ask again. What is your point good sir? www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #67 July 13, 2006 Let's hug it out bitch!Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #68 July 13, 2006 QuoteLet's hug it out bitch! Your gun is sticking in my hip Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #69 July 13, 2006 QuoteQuoteLet's hug it out bitch! Your gun is sticking in my hip We have already established that I do not own a gun. Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #70 July 13, 2006 QuoteLet's hug it out bitch! "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #71 July 13, 2006 QuoteQuoteLet's hug it out bitch! Your gun is sticking in my hip Sorry"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #72 July 13, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteLet's hug it out bitch! Your gun is sticking in my hip We have already established that I do not own a gun. He knows!!!"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #73 July 13, 2006 Quote We have already established that I do not own a gun. In that case I should start worrying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #74 July 13, 2006 QuoteQuote We have already established that I do not own a gun. In that case I should start worrying It is cool. It is just my 1980's cellular phone.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #75 July 13, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteLet's hug it out bitch! Your gun is sticking in my hip We have already established that I do not own a gun. He knows!!! "Love is in the air...." More kisses, less weapons.... dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
