akarunway 1 #1 July 9, 2006 WTF. So I decide (try) to vote this yr. after being disenfranchised the last two times I tried to vote. I changed party affiliation to NPA. This is what Fla. mails me w/ my voter registration card.>" FLORIDA RUNS CLOSED PRIMARIES. In Florida primaries, (unlike in municipal, general and special elections), you may only vote for party candidates for which you are registered. (For example, only persons registered as Democrats may vote for democratic candidates.) Blah ,blah, blah. So they are telling me if I want to vote 3rd party or WHATEVER I want to I can't. What kind of fuckin fucking democracy is this? And I be willing to bet Jeb Bush made SURE the Diebold machines are being used. Fucking assholesI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #2 July 9, 2006 QuoteWhat kind of fuckin fucking democracy is this? It's the kind you said you'd be leaving a while back. Need help with a one way ticket? I can help. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #3 July 9, 2006 QuoteQuoteWhat kind of fuckin fucking democracy is this? It's the kind you said you'd be leaving a while back. Need help with a one way ticket? I can help. Na. I decided to stay for a bit and fight all this NAZI shit. Vote straight Demo party ticket. Least I can cancel ONE NAZI voteI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #4 July 9, 2006 QuoteQuoteWhat kind of fuckin fucking democracy is this? It's the kind you said you'd be leaving a while back. You must admit that the system as described by AkaRunaway is disturbing! Surely if you are entitled to vote, then you are entitled to vote in any way you please on the day. How can you be restricted to only voting for the party you happened to declare favour of when you registered? What if you've converted? What is this with having to state a political affiliation when you register to vote anyway? Doesn't that make a complete mockery of a supposedly secret ballot? So... Serious question: What kind of a democracy is it which restricts how the electorate votes? Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #5 July 9, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteWhat kind of fuckin fucking democracy is this? It's the kind you said you'd be leaving a while back. You must admit that the system as described by AkaRunaway is disturbing! Surely if you are entitled to vote, then you are entitled to vote in any way you please on the day. How can you be restricted to only voting for the party you happened to declare favour of when you registered? What if you've converted? What is this with having to state a political affiliation when you register to vote anyway? Doesn't that make a complete mockery of a supposedly secret ballot? So... Serious question: What kind of a democracy is it which restricts how the electorate votes? Mike. It is the same in many states...he needs to get a grip or give up and leave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #6 July 9, 2006 QuoteSo... Serious question: What kind of a democracy is it which restricts how the electorate votes? What kind of hair-brained idea would it be to let people who are NOT affiliated with your party to vote in a PRIMARY where your party selects the candidate they will put forth for the real election??? The Dems decide who they want to run on the general election ticket, and the Reps do the same... then it goes to the general election where you can pick the R or the D or the I or whatever other party is running... OR you can write in Mickey Mouse if you want. Seems pretty free to me, but I'm an ignorant American... I must be missing something. There ARE some dumbfucks out there that register as the party the oppose so they can try to get the worse candidate elected in the primaries... why make it easier for that to happen?Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallRate 0 #7 July 9, 2006 Primaries are purely partisan. You have in no way been disenfranchised. If you would like to cast a vote in favor of a particular candidate, register under that candidate's party and vote for that person. The rules governing primaries are designed to prevent spoiler votes from degrading the opportunities of the stronger party candidate. An example that comes to mind is that in the last Presidential run, the Republican candidate was locked in (Bush), and if not given the protection of partisanship all Republicans could have voted for the weakest Democratic contender in the primaries (Al Sharpton) knowing that their own candidate (Bush) would make the ticket. This would have ensured a Republican victory in the general election (if Sharpton actually recieved the Democratic nomination). If you would like to see a particular third-party candidate on the ballot, then become active in that political party's process of nominating candidates. If you favor a candidate with no solid political affiliations, you can actively support that person in many ways. It may seem futile, but you can proudly declare that you took a greater part in the election process than most Americans will ever endeavor to undertake. FallRate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #8 July 9, 2006 QuoteQuoteSo... Serious question: What kind of a democracy is it which restricts how the electorate votes? What kind of hair-brained idea would it be to let people who are NOT affiliated with your party to vote in a PRIMARY where your party selects the candidate they will put forth for the real election??? Now THAT makes sense.The way it was described by AkaRunaway, The Public were being restricted in their voting during an election TO political office. However, selection of the party's candidates for the election MUST be an internal party matter. In the UK, such selection is limited top persons who have joined a political party, paid subscriptions, and have been members for a minimum amount of time or are otherwise particularly qualified. The "Electorate" doesn't get any choice of party candidate, they vote for the person to hold a particular office, as offered by the parties. Thanks for the explanation. Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #9 July 9, 2006 QuoteThe way it was described by AkaRunaway, The Public were being restricted in their voting during an election TO political office. He described the process wrongly. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #10 July 9, 2006 If you're worried about the Diebold machines (and you should be!) request an absentee ballot. That way, there is a paper trail of your vote. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #11 July 9, 2006 QuoteIf you're worried about the Diebold machines (and you should be!) request an absentee ballot. That way, there is a paper trail of your vote. As a "Democrat", should he be in any way involved in the process which selects a Republican Candidate!? Of course thare is always the theoretical concept of infiltrating the opposition to wreck their chances... TO take a purely hypothetical example: If loads of folk joined the Republican Party, they could then work to ensure that the most stupid, inept, uneducated, horses-ass failure possible becomes the Republican Candidate. Thus a Democrat win "should" be guaranteed. However, such a tactic may actually blow up in your face! Perhaps it already has!!? Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #12 July 9, 2006 No. I don't think that anyone other than Republicans should have a voice in the Republican primary, or Democrats in the Democratic primary. Primaries are a chance for people of that party to select who that party will present to the nation as a candidate. Even states (as far as I know) who do have so-called "open primaries" do not require the party to actually count the votes of anyone other than the members of that party. My comment was on the lack of security measures taken by Diebold. I've registered absentee this year because I've researched how easy it is to tamper with those machines, and the machines do not leave a paper trail at all, only an electronic one, so there is no way to dispute the vote count. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #13 July 10, 2006 QuoteNo. I don't think that anyone other than Republicans should have a voice in the Republican primary, or Democrats in the Democratic primary. Primaries are a chance for people of that party to select who that party will present to the nation as a candidate.Spoken so well. End of discussion. Nightingale for Pres. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #14 July 10, 2006 QuoteQuoteThe way it was described by AkaRunaway, The Public were being restricted in their voting during an election TO political office. He described the process wrongly. described my ass. I typed it exactly as I read it. Thanks for the other info tho guysI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #15 July 10, 2006 QuoteIf you're worried about the Diebold machines (and you should be!) request an absentee ballot. That way, there is a paper trail of your vote.I am as I'm in So. Cal. right now. I don't think my vote makes a rats ass anyway. The powers that beI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #16 July 10, 2006 I'm in SoCal too. I still want my vote to be counted. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
