mnealtx 0 #26 July 7, 2006 QuoteQuoteWhich is why you never see people on welfare or illegals at the ER waiting to be seen, right? I am sure the ER will see them, once paying customers are done. How about access to specialists, treatment, medication, follow up care? etc etc there is more to health care than emergency care you know..... Nope...they're triaged like everyone else... I couldn't speak for follow on appts - I have no experience with that.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #27 July 7, 2006 QuoteOh, so currently is better? yes. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #28 July 7, 2006 QuoteQuoteOh, so currently is better? yes. Thx for the comprehensive answer..... that clears it up I wonder why no comments, no data, no theories? Oh, I know, you're writing from the heart and not the head. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #29 July 7, 2006 by almost every standard, life is better for the majority of humans today than it was in any other century. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #30 July 7, 2006 QuoteNope...they're triaged like everyone else... triage hardly counts as actual care. Just the process of deciding who gets cared for first. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #31 July 7, 2006 Quoteby almost every standard, life is better for the majority of humans today than it was in any other century. OK that's a general way of saying that technology and other advances better life for everyone. That is so general if fails to even start to address any issues that have been presented here. We just stopped killing kids 9 months ago; one of the 7 countries still doing that. 19 of the last 39 executions of kids was done by the US. 1968 Loving v Virginia, 16 states had active laws that disallowed people of different races to marry - that wasn;t that long ago. Did other countries have that ever or at least then? Adult executions - even Russia has stopped 30 years ago. Health care - the most elitist, exclusive system in the world I would venture. Welfare - very minimum compared to other countries. Rate of incarceration - 1:138 Americans are incarcerated by corporate-run prisons for profit. There, these are contemporary issues, can you explain away these? We could also add that in the 1950's we had black bathrooms and water faucets segregated from white ones. This is not that long ago. Not to mention Japanese-American Internment in the 40's. America isn't a sterling place as you wish we would recognize it as. Why not quit the obvious rationalizing. To say that all of the above are not that bad because the likes of China and Korea are worse is as logical as dahmer saying he's not taht bad as compared to Bundy. Get it? Why not address the issues presented instead of circumventing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #32 July 7, 2006 QuoteThe cornerstone of all law is rooted in the Law of God. Without that, law would be nothing more than the whim of the moment! Which God? The Christian God?Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #33 July 7, 2006 anyone can nitpick. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #34 July 7, 2006 QuoteOne more thought: In the US, we're really big on entrepreneurism – starting your own business, building it from the ground up slowly, steadily, and hopefully becoming a success story. Being self-employed is no picnic; I know from personal experience. A start-up small business often runs in the red the first few years. Lots of small business owners in the US can't afford decent self-pay health insurance (and many simply go without); and lots of people who might take a stab at being self-employed are scared off the notion due to health insurance considerations. I'm in that group. I am a self employed carpenter who spends a large portion of my time fixing other peoples screwups. Becoming a business man is not really an option for me. If something major happened to me, I'd just have to take it in the wazoo.I'm sure I could purchase catostrophic health insurance. I don't believe the health community is going to throw you out on the street in the middle of a heart bypass because your insurance expires. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #35 July 7, 2006 Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The cornerstone of all law is rooted in the Law of God. Without that, law would be nothing more than the whim of the moment! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- QuoteWhich God? The Christian God? Do you really need an answer to that question? I'm sure that the founding fathers weren't reading the Quran, and the air headed, new age crap didn't exist, so what do you think? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #36 July 7, 2006 QuoteReply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The cornerstone of all law is rooted in the Law of God. Without that, law would be nothing more than the whim of the moment! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- QuoteWhich God? The Christian God? Do you really need an answer to that question? I'm sure that the founding fathers weren't reading the Quran, and the air headed, new age crap didn't exist, so what do you think? You said ALL law. You did not specify US law. Oh by the way, if I asked the question, I actually meant to ask the question.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unformed 0 #37 July 7, 2006 QuoteQuoteReply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The cornerstone of all law is rooted in the Law of God. Without that, law would be nothing more than the whim of the moment! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- QuoteWhich God? The Christian God? Do you really need an answer to that question? I'm sure that the founding fathers weren't reading the Quran, and the air headed, new age crap didn't exist, so what do you think? You said ALL law. You did not specify US law. Um ... The US controls the world, and freedom and democracy was invented in 1776, so ... all worthwhile law in the world is based on US law. And in places that aren't, well it's okay, we're going to go introduce freedom and democracy to them as well ... we're going to teach them that's when they're free, it okay to be persecuted by anti-Christian heathens and follow God's laws.This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #38 July 7, 2006 >I'm sure that the founding fathers weren't reading the Quran . . . Here in the US we base much of our law on British law, which in turn is based on Roman law. Roman law was based on documents from the Twelve Tables to the Corpus Juris Civilis of Emperor Justinian I, and started well before Christ. So it's pretty safe to say that our law (both US law and law throughout the world) predates Christianity by a wide margin. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #39 July 7, 2006 QuoteYou said ALL law. You did not specify US law. Oh by the way, if I asked the question, I actually meant to ask the question.What was the name of the thread title? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #40 July 7, 2006 QuoteHere in the US we base much of our law on British law, which in turn is based on Roman law. Roman law was based on documents from the Twelve Tables to the Corpus Juris Civilis of Emperor Justinian I, and started well before Christ. So it's pretty safe to say that our law (both US law and law throughout the world) predates Christianity by a wide margin. Maybe the Law of Moses should have been in my original post. But of course, he didn't actually exist because the Bible is a myth. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #41 July 7, 2006 Quoteanyone can nitpick. I didn't mean to indignify this thread with little things like facts..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #42 July 7, 2006 Quote>I'm sure that the founding fathers weren't reading the Quran . . . Here in the US we base much of our law on British law, which in turn is based on Roman law. Roman law was based on documents from the Twelve Tables to the Corpus Juris Civilis of Emperor Justinian I, and started well before Christ. So it's pretty safe to say that our law (both US law and law throughout the world) predates Christianity by a wide margin. Sure, but it has a HUGE Christian influence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #43 July 8, 2006 QuoteQuoteanyone can nitpick. I didn't mean to indignify this thread with little things like facts..... You fuckin' better not!! This is Speakers Corner, after all! Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #44 July 8, 2006 QuoteQuoteNope...they're triaged like everyone else... triage hardly counts as actual care. Just the process of deciding who gets cared for first. Then why did you say QuoteI am sure the ER will see them, once paying customers are done. Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hairyjuan 0 #45 July 10, 2006 not just no, but absolutely not what i'm thinking about! www.barefootsworld.netwe are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively wishers never choose, choosers never wish Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hairyjuan 0 #46 July 10, 2006 Well put, pirana!we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively wishers never choose, choosers never wish Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #47 July 10, 2006 There were religious groups that did not function well in Europe. Pilgrims and French Huguenots. Kind of like early Branch Davidians. The US has a foundation of early Christian griping and whining type groups. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #48 July 10, 2006 QuoteQuoteThe cornerstone of all law is rooted in the Law of God. Without that, law would be nothing more than the whim of the moment! Ever heard of the code of Hammurabi? shhhh, John do not confuse them Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #49 July 10, 2006 Not true all ER cases are done on a triage basis, I can prove it too. Come over here and we can let the GSD do a few bites, and then we can take you to an ER so you can see that you will be seen before the rich gay guy with the hemmoroids. This is a hypothetical scenario not intended to do any harm to anyone nor to threaten violence of any sort. Thank you, this has been a public service announcement to prevent the wasting of time, and emotional distress, by hand wringing pussies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hairyjuan 0 #50 July 12, 2006 CHURCH & STATE: Some Myths, and the Facts DearJim, In aseries of letters to the editor published by your paper, school board candidate X has stated that he finds the premise of the separation of church and state to be " pure nonsense"(12-30-04). Furthermore, he states that "anyone who denies that America was founded as a Christian nation is just Kidding themselves"(2-10-05), and in regard to not teaching Christianity in the X County school, that he doesn't "understand the inaction of the citizens of this community" (12-30-04). Let us briefly discuss some common myths about religion and the U.S. gov't, many of which Mr. X apparently accepts as fact: Myth NO.1: "The United States government was founded on the Christian religion." Fact: "The government is not in ant way sense founded on the Christian religion."(Article XI, the Treaty of Peace and Friendship, ratified unanimisly by the us Senate on June 10, 1797). Myth No 2: "Most of the Founding Fathers were devout Christians" Fact: Most of the Founding Fathers were Deists, NOT Christians, and had Quotes similar to the following: "The day will come when the mystical generation of jesus, by the supreme beingas his father in the womb of a virgin, WILL BE CLASSED with the FABLE of Minerva in the Brain of Jupiter." Thomas Jefferson(letter to john adams, april 11 1823). Myth No 3: "Our Founding Fathers never really intended for there to be a wall of separation between Church and state, and never used those terms." FACT: "Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies sololy between a man and his god... i contemplate with SOVEREIGN reverance that act of the whole american people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting the establishment of religion... thus building a wall of seperation between church and state."-- Thomas Jefferson. (Letter to Danbury Baptist Association, Conn., Jan 1 1802). Myth No. 4:" Religion was once an integral part of the U. S. government, but has systematically removed over the centuries by Supreme Court decisions." FACT: "the words "in god we trust" did not appear on any coin or currency until almost 100 years after the founding of our nation, and the word "god" WAS NOT ADDED TO THE PLEDGE OF ALLIGENCE UNTIL THE 1950's, nor does it appear in the U.S. Constitution. The Founding Fathers were so adamant that religion NOT be a part of our government that Ben Franklin replaced "sacred" with the words "self-evident" in the Declaration of Independence phrase, "we hold these truths to be self-Evident..." Our Founding Fathers were brilliant men who understood what would happen if a country established a religion. The 9-11 attack on our country could not have occured if the Taliban had not established Islamic extremism as the, requiring forced indoctrination, and giving sanctuary to bin laden(Bush's Business partner,Carlyle Group), al Qaeda(CIAda), and their terrorist training camps. The United States prospers as a nation in no small part because of freedom , including the freedom from religion. Separation of church and stateis a FUNDAMENTAL law of our country, and has been repeatedly REAFFIRMED for well over 200 years. X county cannot afford to have an elected official who does not respect the laws of the united states; the ensuing litigation would bankrupt our county. mr. x aletter to the editor, from a county with 4000 citizens and over 20 churches artwe are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively wishers never choose, choosers never wish Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
