narcimund 0 #26 July 5, 2006 Quote...and you know where you can cram that guess. So as far as I can tell you're mad at me because you expect me to do something you consider horrible ("be a professional victim") but I'm not doing it. You're REALLY working yourself up over my failure to be the terrible thing you keep accusing me of. Think on that. Edited to add: sorry Bill. I'm a little tired of these repetitve attacks from the extreme right wing, gay-hating, bigotted loudmouths. I decided to actually defend myself against yet another completely vaccuous insult. Ban me for it if you must. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #27 July 5, 2006 Whatever, Suzie. I'm done with this thread. Resume fighting those evil hetero white males...Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #28 July 5, 2006 QuoteSuzie *sigh* First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #29 July 6, 2006 QuoteI am kind of wondering if his death was kinda like... Rommel.....given an option he could not refuse to protect those really responsible. Ya know Jean, my wife came home with exactly the same theory. She thinks Kenny finally realized the White House either couldn't or wouldn't bail him out of this one and they knew he knew too much. She thinks Dick Cheney put out a hit on him. So do I now. You chix are pretty smart.... Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #30 July 6, 2006 Hmm... after a fashion, I almost wish that he lived for another 30. He needs to be an example, a feared and hushed phrase used in boardrooms. "If we do that, we could end up like Ken Lay." He cost the jobs of 17,000 people immediately. For some, their life savings. His accounting firm lost their credibility and folded. More careers smashed and lives ruined. This included the guiltless and honest people who didn't work on that account. There were competitors who lost millions competing against fictitious balance sheets. Other corporations sold networks and assets at losses while trying to make a short term recovery. Anyone who steals $50 from a convenience store may spend 20 years in prison. For stealing hundreds of millions by using a pen, that should be 5000 years. All his assets should be forfeit. His ruin should match the ruin that he inflicted on thousands of others. Total. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #31 July 6, 2006 QuoteHmm... after a fashion, I almost wish that he lived for another 30. He needs to be an example, a feared and hushed phrase used in boardrooms. "If we do that, we could end up like Ken Lay." . Maybe we could burn him in effigy, once a year, like Guy Fawkes.I fear that greed will continue to trump fear in boardrooms across the nation.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #32 July 6, 2006 QuoteI fear that greed will continue to trump fear in boardrooms across the nation. It believe that every general (of whatever army) has said to themselves, "If we lose the war, I shall be tried as a war criminal." I think that is the case with CEOs. If they finally pull it out of their butt at the last moment, they are heroes. If they fail, war criminals. Perhaps if Lay had another 5-8 years, he may have pulled it back to solvency, but probably not. I believe that he lacked minimal honor and was intent on looting everything. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,114 #33 July 6, 2006 >I believe that he lacked minimal honor and was intent on looting everything. Yep. But as you said - if he had looted everything, and in the end turned a profit for shareholders, he would now be a hero, no matter how many lost their jobs. Heck, he'd probably be on the cover of Money magazine Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #34 July 6, 2006 Quote>I believe that he lacked minimal honor and was intent on looting everything. Yep. But as you said - if he had looted everything, and in the end turned a profit for shareholders, he would now be a hero, no matter how many lost their jobs. Heck, he'd probably be on the cover of Money magazine True. A healthy Wall Street evaluation is only good for the stockholders. Any company/product/service can be outsourced to another country. It guts the economy of an entire local area while producing an excellent stock return. Happens quite a bit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #35 July 6, 2006 Quotethey should make damned sure and check DNA Seriously.... never thought of that. but it is valid. Now Schilling is saying, "Damnit, I shoulda thought of that." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #36 July 6, 2006 QuoteAgreed. Kenny boy will be missed by his lawyers. His appeals would have gone on for years/$$$$ His bio was intersting, humble roots, military officer, pentagon, appointed to under sec of the interior, them a exec for the oil companies texas. Since Kenny Boy's appeals weren't complete I'm wondering if he'll go down in history as a convicted felon. R.I.P. QuoteSince Kenny Boy's appeals weren't complete I'm wondering if he'll go down in history as a convicted felon. Of course, appellate courts would consider it moot and dismiss it. Postumous pardon by the criminal in the White House is possible. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #37 July 6, 2006 QuoteQuoteSince Kenny Boy's appeals weren't complete I'm wondering if he'll go down in history as a convicted felon. R.I.P. QuoteSince Kenny Boy's appeals weren't complete I'm wondering if he'll go down in history as a convicted felon. Of course, appellate courts would consider it moot and dismiss it. Postumous pardon by the criminal in the White House is possible. Actually, the way it technically works is that since he died while his appeal was still pending (and that's the key timing), and his death makes him (obviously) incapable of assisting his attorney with his appeal, his conviction is automatically rendered a nullity - as if it never existed. So no posthumous pardon is needed. His estate still can (and undoubtedly will) be civilly liable for restitution. However, since no civil judgments were entered against him while he was alive, any judgments will probably be only for the amount of the debt itself (plus interest), but not for punitive damages. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #38 July 6, 2006 QuoteQuotethey should make damned sure and check DNA Seriously.... never thought of that. but it is valid. Now Schilling is saying, "Damnit, I shoulda thought of that." Agreed - if there is any chance he's faked it. he should have been tried and sentenced per the laws of the nation for his crimes. And personal vendetta actions should be kept away from all prisoners. We aren't a mob. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goofyjumper 0 #39 July 6, 2006 QuoteAnything to get out of going to jail http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060705/bs_nm/enron_lay_dc_1 Wow, perfect timing!----------------- I love and Miss you so much Honey! Orfun #3 ~ Darla Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ian84 0 #40 July 6, 2006 QuoteI am thinking he is on a private yacht heading for Grand Cayman right about now. I'll keep an eye out for him Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #41 July 6, 2006 QuoteQuoteI am kind of wondering if his death was kinda like... Rommel.....given an option he could not refuse to protect those really responsible. Ya know Jean, my wife came home with exactly the same theory. She thinks Kenny finally realized the White House either couldn't or wouldn't bail him out of this one and they knew he knew too much. She thinks Dick Cheney put out a hit on him. So do I now. You chix are pretty smart.... a la Vince Foster?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #42 July 6, 2006 Ah ... you guys never fail to get in a Clinton did it first do you... wow...... you SOOOOO need to get over his getting blow jobs... go hire a fucking hooker if you have to and get some yourselves so you can release all that hate. I am SURE there are some there in Kosovo who would be happy to pick up some American Contractor money.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #43 July 6, 2006 QuoteAh ... you guys never fail to get in a Clinton did it first do you... wow...... Sorry... was the first person that popped to mind.... how about Bill Colby or Ron Brown? Quoteyou SOOOOO need to get over his getting blow jobs. Seems like y'all liberals are the ones obsessed with them, not the conservatives or libertarians.... Quoteso you can release all that hate. Um, yeah... everyone that doesn't agree with your viewpoint are Nazis, Klansmen, or whatever other hate group the mods let you get away with labeling them as.... and you say that WE have a hate problem??Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #44 July 6, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteSince Kenny Boy's appeals weren't complete I'm wondering if he'll go down in history as a convicted felon. R.I.P. QuoteSince Kenny Boy's appeals weren't complete I'm wondering if he'll go down in history as a convicted felon. Of course, appellate courts would consider it moot and dismiss it. Postumous pardon by the criminal in the White House is possible. Actually, the way it technically works is that since he died while his appeal was still pending (and that's the key timing), and his death makes him (obviously) incapable of assisting his attorney with his appeal, his conviction is automatically rendered a nullity - as if it never existed. So no posthumous pardon is needed. His estate still can (and undoubtedly will) be civilly liable for restitution. However, since no civil judgments were entered against him while he was alive, any judgments will probably be only for the amount of the debt itself (plus interest), but not for punitive damages. Yea, I heard that on the radio today. What a farse. The burden lays on the defense to establish some cause for a reversal or a new trial, so I thought the conviction would stand with him dead. Ultimately, there is no end to an appeal on criminla matters. You have unlimited Habeus Corpus. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aftermid 0 #45 July 6, 2006 QuoteQuoteA heart attack is too kind for that M%*her F$$ker. I feel like Karmic law dictated he spend the rest of his life being raped in prison. At the very least, after being convicted he should have died alone in jail awaiting his sentence, not vacationing in the Rockies. I hope that the body is throughly examined and verified with a DNA test. I'm sure there will be a long line to piss on his grave. Holy Moses! What a hot temper You must be a "real" American, just washed up to the East Coast, right? edited for typo Sorry it bothers me when somebody that was convicted of multiple felonies, fleecing a corporation for millions, and is facing the spending rest of his life in prision is allowed to spend a few months vacationing. It also bothers me when our government gives billions of dollars in subsidies to oil companies for the purpose of increased production yet the same companies don't increase production and return record profits. It also bothers me that our government is constantly declaring open ended wars on abstract opponents: war on drugs, war on terror, ect... When all these was do is widdle away at personal freedoms. If you're not bothered either you're not paying attention, you're a billionaire, or you just don't care. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #46 July 6, 2006 QuoteUm, yeah... everyone that doesn't agree with your viewpoint are Nazis, Klansmen, or whatever other hate group the mods let you get away with labeling them as.... and you say that WE have a hate problem?? Gee when it quacks like a duck and waddles like a duck... then your dues must be paid up in the http://www.cofcc.org/ Seems you and Gravitymaster conviently forget to include them in the definition of modern conservatives.....since they LIVE and BREED under your Right Wing Big Tent that the rePUBICans like to brag about.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #47 July 6, 2006 Quote Ken Lay Dead well, that's only natural right? I mean, you wouldn't expect him to stand up when he's dead, would you? sorry. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aftermid 0 #48 July 6, 2006 QuoteQuote Ken Lay Dead well, that's only natural right? I mean, you wouldn't expect him to stand up when he's dead, would you? sorry. Great observation! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
