kelpdiver 2 #26 July 5, 2006 QuoteQuote The people who developed the basic protocols that allow the Internet to function agree: ENOUGH FACTS ALREADY! Stop bugging us with truth. We don't need any truth. This forum is not about truth -- it's about *ZINGERS* The fact is that he funded the creation. He created nothing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #27 July 5, 2006 QuoteThe fact is that he funded the creation. He created nothing. exactly. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WeakMindedFool 0 #28 July 5, 2006 I couldn't agree more! The PMRC and Tippers work with them didn't mesh well with the protection of our civil liberties. It sounded more like the Christian Right crying about the lack of morality in America, "What about the children?" as a justification for dictating morality. I truely wish there was a viable third party...or rather the republicans truely being Lincoln's party. We need more libertarian and less democratic majoritism (see I read the links the consevatives put up). We fall in to the same trap as the rest of the country when we play these dumb ass one line games. "Gore said he created the internet"..."Clinton got a blowjob". Everyone is focused on the bullshit when at the same time Clinton basically let Tyson Foods pick the Secretary of Agriculture...no one cared...they were more interested in the psudo reality TV version of what was happening in the White House and how it was going to turn there childred in to blow job getting world leaders...I wanted to be a blow job getting world leader too, I just had no good role models I look forward to September Dude! Peace!Faith in a holy cause is to a considerable extent a substitute for lost faith in ourselves. -Eric Hoffer - Check out these Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #29 July 6, 2006 >The fact is that he funded the creation. He created nothing. About five years back we designed one of the first satellite phones. I did the electrical design, Bill P did the system-level RF design, Paul G managed FCC approvals and testing, Scott B managed the program at the top level (he's a VP.) Mina managed schedules and dealt with suppliers. Bob E did the mechanical design. Mark B managed parts and parts suppliers. Now, Scott didn't design a single bit of the phone. But if he were the bragging sort, he could claim that he took the initiative in creating the Globalstar phone, and we'd all agree with him - because just selling the program and getting the money to do it is a huge part of why we were able to design that phone. Gore's one of those lightning rods that attracts people who hate him. Which is understandable, given how much he's been in the spotlight and how he was an important democrat for a while. But the next time you hit "Post Reply" consider that he is one of the reasons you are able to do that. I was around when they were debating Bitnet vs Arpanet, and the transition from that point to the Internet of today happened because people like Kahn and Cerf did some very low-level work on transmission protocols, Andreessen and Bina did work on browsers, and Gore got the money together to do all that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #30 July 6, 2006 QuoteQuoteSooooooooo...in YOUR context, if you're religious, God didn't invent air...he created it!!! LMAO! Screw the air...it's oxygen that I'm hooked on, from my first breath, I've not been able to let go. Only 21% of the "air" is o2, better go to a hyperbaric chamber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #31 July 6, 2006 And Bush denies a lot of things. Truth be told, I think they both deserve credit for the things they have done, good and bad respectively. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #32 July 6, 2006 QuoteQuoteSo if we found one conservative you'd be wrong. I'll claim to be one for about 5 minutes. EEEWWWWWWWWWWW, gross, that's takin one for the team. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #33 July 6, 2006 There's a huge difference between a PM type and a legislator. I don't hate the guy, but as a Democrat, I see him as a loser who lost the Presidency on too many occasions, including the slam dunk setup in 2000. One who was a credit hound. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #34 July 8, 2006 QuoteThere's a huge difference between a PM type and a legislator. I don't hate the guy, but as a Democrat, I see him as a loser who lost the Presidency on too many occasions, including the slam dunk setup in 2000. One who was a credit hound. Quotebut as a Democrat And me, as a Republican...... I thought I would give you guys an equal laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #35 July 8, 2006 my voter registration is likely a public record. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #36 July 8, 2006 Quotemy voter registration is likely a public record. - Why? - Even if you are reg as a Dem, you dont seem tohave Dem values. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #37 July 9, 2006 QuoteIf this board had existed back then, conservatives here would have been blaming all the problems of the Internet (spam, congestion, lack of privacy etc) on "Al Gore's Internet" Lots of political discussion boards existed back then -- I never spotted the above commentary. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #38 July 9, 2006 >Lots of political discussion boards existed back then -- I never spotted the above commentary. "Smart Mobs" - Howard Rheingold. A good book that goes over the early evolution of the Internet, and all the fuss that surrounded Gore's contributions. "See if you like the lack of privacy you get when you send email through Al Gore's Internet!" complained one early newsgroup poster. There were several comments along those lines. I predict that in 30 years, conservatives will be saying "Al Gore claimed he 'warned the world' about global warming! Everyone knew about it. He didn't 'warn' anyone. He just wants credit for it." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #39 July 9, 2006 QuoteI predict that in 30 years, conservatives will be saying "Al Gore claimed he 'warned the world' about global warming! Everyone knew about it. He didn't 'warn' anyone. He just wants credit for it." Probably so, and hopefully I'll be sitting in my happy retirement place, writing "as a staunch conservative, I know that you are wrong". . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #40 July 9, 2006 Quote"Smart Mobs" - Howard Rheingold. A good book that goes over the early evolution of the Internet, and all the fuss that surrounded Gore's contributions. "See if you like the lack of privacy you get when you send email through Al Gore's Internet!" complained one early newsgroup poster. There were several comments along those lines. How do you know they were conservatives? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #41 July 9, 2006 Quote - Even if you are reg as a Dem, you dont seem tohave Dem values. quite the contrary - it is the Democratic leadership that's lost its way on values. And I won't let my party affiliation have me ignore the truth for expediency. That does appear to make me a minority. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #42 July 9, 2006 QuoteQuote - Even if you are reg as a Dem, you dont seem tohave Dem values. quite the contrary - it is the Democratic leadership that's lost its way on values. And I won't let my party affiliation have me ignore the truth for expediency. That does appear to make me a minority. RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT. So you are a partisan voting Republican who is at heart a Democrat. What you mean is that you've changed parties but still hold some old Dem ideals that have changed. You undergone a full-flegged metamorphasis top Repub and don;t see it that way. My first instinct is to think you are a Yellow Dog Democrat. Yep, that party and the ideals are gone. The party now embraces all colors of people. Perhpas the center of the party went from the deep South to the Northeast and West. Why not tell me what has changed within the party tp make you change to Republican voting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #43 July 10, 2006 Quote What you mean is that you've changed parties but still hold some old Dem ideals that have changed. You undergone a full-flegged metamorphasis top Repub and don;t see it that way. No, it means: 1- I think Clinton had a very sucessful term wrt domestic issues and balanced the budget, Yet he ignored the world scene and could wel be a sexual harasser in addition to being unfaithful. 2- I think Shrub won his elections, isn't that much dumber than he's pretending to be, but has no ability to control deficit spending. 3- Neither party has much leadership to run on in 2008, outside McCain, a fellow who has crapped on both the 1st and 2nd. My first instinct is to think you are a Yellow Dog Democrat. Yep, that party and the ideals are gone. The party now embraces all colors of people. Perhpas the center of the party went from the deep South to the Northeast and West. Why not tell me what has changed within the party tp make you change to Republican voting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
