idrankwhat 0 #26 June 28, 2006 Quote I have American Flag pajamas and I don't consider myself un-Patriotic. Do you realize how difficult it is to resist a "half mast" joke??!?!?!? Ooops. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,594 #27 June 28, 2006 QuoteQuotedoes anyone have a link to the text of the amendment? The ill-fated amendment didn't specify rules. It authorized Congress to make rules. In other words, finding a cute loophole wouldn't necessitate a new amendment -- simply a new statute. I see. Thanks!Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,594 #28 June 28, 2006 QuoteQuotedoes anyone have a link to the text of the amendment? The point is, it doesn't matter anymore. It won't be an issue again until election season 2008. I know that, I was just curious.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #29 June 28, 2006 QuoteQuote I have American Flag pajamas and I don't consider myself un-Patriotic. Do you realize how difficult it is to resist a "half mast" joke??!?!?!? Ooops. As long as you salute. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #30 June 28, 2006 >All those flag halter tops & Tshirts . . . Don't forget the flags people put on the aerials of their pickup trucks, then fly until they are colorful bits of thread. Saw a bumper sticker recently that said "these colors don't run." Next to it was a gray-and-white image that I imagine was a US flag about 10 years ago, since faded into illegibility. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #31 June 28, 2006 QuoteSaw a bumper sticker recently that said "these colors don't run." Next to it was a gray-and-white image that I imagine was a US flag about 10 years ago, since faded into illegibility. For years I've been so tempted to print bumper stickers that say, "These colors don't run -- but they sure do fade." I know lots of people who'd be tempted to buy such a sticker but very few with the balls to actually do so. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #32 June 28, 2006 QuoteI know lots of people who'd be tempted to buy such a sticker but very few with the balls to actually do so. No real surprises there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #33 June 28, 2006 Hows this for a noodle baker: A flag is placed in a sealed box. Attached to the box is an apparatus containing a radioactive atomic nucleus and a canister of acid spray. This apparatus is separated from the flag in such a way that the flag can in no way interfere with it. The experiment is set up so that there is exactly a 50% chance of the nucleus decaying in one hour. If the nucleus decays, it will emit a particle that triggers the apparatus, which opens the canister and destroys the flag. If the nucleus does not decay, then the flag remains intact. According to quantum mechanics, the unobserved nucleus is described as a superposition (meaning it exists partly as each simultaneously) of "decayed nucleus" and "undecayed nucleus". The question is - would you have committed an offence? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #34 June 28, 2006 QuoteHows this for a noodle baker: A flag is placed in a sealed box. Attached to the box is an apparatus containing a radioactive atomic nucleus and a canister of acid spray. This apparatus is separated from the flag in such a way that the flag can in no way interfere with it. The experiment is set up so that there is exactly a 50% chance of the nucleus decaying in one hour. If the nucleus decays, it will emit a particle that triggers the apparatus, which opens the canister and destroys the flag. If the nucleus does not decay, then the flag remains intact. According to quantum mechanics, the unobserved nucleus is described as a superposition (meaning it exists partly as each simultaneously) of "decayed nucleus" and "undecayed nucleus". The question is - would you have committed an offence? I think you have way too much time on your hands. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #35 June 28, 2006 QuoteHows this for a noodle baker: ... The question is - would you have committed an offence? Despite the uneducated and lame among us, I think this was brilliant. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #36 June 28, 2006 QuoteDespite the uneducated and lame among us, I think this was brilliant. No surprise there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #37 June 28, 2006 Quote QuoteDespite the uneducated and lame among us, I think this was brilliant. No surprise there. Quiet. He is discussing ideas. --> http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_view_flat;post=2305690;page=3;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;mh=25;#2306683Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #38 June 28, 2006 QuoteQuiet. He is discussing ideas. I'm afraid some might be missing the idea so I'll assist mr2mk1g slightly. He's obliquely referring to the allegory of Schroedinger's Cat, an often-repeated semi-paradox wherein a quantum-level effect can theoretically be demonstrated to have macro-level effects which are antithetical to our notions of certainty. In this way the physicist Schroedinger demonstrates that a concept which seems insignificant, purely academic, and well-contained can have dramatic ramifications in the day-to-day world. mr2mk1g's allusion highlights the absurdism of flag desecration laws which one might idealistically assume would vilify a fixed, well-defined set of actions but which in reality would certainly end up being used in ways never intended or even predicted. You may all go back to your "Zingers" now. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #39 June 28, 2006 Yeah, I got it. I just like pointing out that your post is quite the opposite of what you say. You protest that people are supposed to be discussing ideas and that you didn't know we were tossing "zingers" and yet you post stuff like "Despite the uneducated and lame among us..", a very indirect way to get some attacks in without the ability to be punished for it. And while that is not quite "zinger" worthy, it is most definitely not a quality discussion of ideas. But thanks for the unneeded explanation.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #40 June 28, 2006 Personally, I really don't care if someone wants to burn a flag or not. But, I wonder how many of you who support someone's right to burn a flag also support the right of the KKK to burn a Cross? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #41 June 28, 2006 QuotePersonally, I really don't care if someone wants to burn a flag or not. But, I wonder how many of you who support someone's right to burn a flag also support the right of the KKK to burn a Cross? As long as it is not in someone else's yard, I support the right (not the cross burning itself).Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #42 June 28, 2006 QuoteHe's obliquely referring to the allegory ........which one might idealistically assume would vilify a fixed, well-defined set of actions but which in reality would certainly end up being used in ways never intended or even predicted. spare me the philosophical mumbo jumbo, give it to us straight why don't you put that in Layman's terms? ummm, can you dumb it down a bit ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #43 June 28, 2006 Quoteummm, can you dumb it down a bit If I do, will I get to enjoy some more lovely "zingers"? First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #44 June 28, 2006 QuoteQuoteummm, can you dumb it down a bit If I do, will I get to enjoy some more lovely "zingers"? NO (I understand that "Zingers" are also some kind of snack cake. So, maybe.) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #45 June 28, 2006 I think that passing an amendment outlawing the burning of the flag is probably the only thing that could inspire some people to go out and burn one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #46 June 28, 2006 >I think that passing an amendment outlawing the burning of the flag > is probably the only thing that could inspire some people to go out > and burn one. Agreed. Would be a shame to turn the symbol of our country into a symbol of denial of first-amendment rights. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #47 June 28, 2006 QuoteI think that passing an amendment outlawing the burning of the flag is probably the only thing that could inspire some people to go out and burn one. resonating again NG for Pres '08 ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #48 June 28, 2006 QuotePersonally, I really don't care if someone wants to burn a flag or not. But, I wonder how many of you who support someone's right to burn a flag also support the right of the KKK to burn a Cross? Interesting analogy. First, a point of definition. I don't think many people "support" those rights so much as they acknowledge those rights and oppose attempts to criminalize them, as creating a solution worse than the problem. For the most part, I'd put burning a flag and burning a cross in similar categories, or possibly the same one - with one exception. Burning a cross in a field, or in one's own yard, or in the proverbial "public square" is, in my view, constitutionally protected speech, despite (and, in fact because of) its offensiveness. The exception to this is when it's burned directly outside the home of a black or Jewish person, or right outside a black church, or synagogue, etc. The latter example I think amounts to ethnic intimidation, which is criminalized in most states when it's directed toward specific individuals who can be identified by name. But I acknowledge: lots of grey area in there; it's a balancing of competing interests at best. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #49 June 28, 2006 Quote>I think that passing an amendment outlawing the burning of the flag > is probably the only thing that could inspire some people to go out > and burn one. Agreed. Would be a shame to turn the symbol of our country into a symbol of denial of first-amendment rights. A side note: many people think the First Amendment (or the Second, or the Fourth, etc.) is carved into stone and permanent. It's not. Any provision of the US Constitution (including, hypothetically, the First Amendment) can be repealed by means of another Amendment stating simply: "Amendment [insert number] of this Constitution is hereby repealed." It's already been done with other constitutional provisions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #50 June 28, 2006 > I might just burn a flag or two myself... I'm in agreement that people should have the right to burn an American flag, or Canadian flag...so long as they get a burn permit first and the flag is environmentally safe for burning. Also must be performed in a manner that prevents those present from being harmed from second hand smoke and flying embers landing in childrens eyes. Not meeting these simple rules would result in a fine of $1,000.00. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
