Lefty 0 #1 June 28, 2006 ...failed by one vote in the Senate. Clicky Personally, if this ever became a law I might just burn a flag or two myself. I never thought I'd want to do that.Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful. -Calvin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #2 June 28, 2006 Just another fabricated wedge issue, much like gay marriage. Really the the most important issues of the day, right? Yawn. These jerkoffs need to go do their real jobs - you know, the one we hired them to do - and get some potholes fixed, some people fed and some wars stopped. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #3 June 28, 2006 I was living in Louisiana when that passed, and thought the state governor handled the SC decision perfectly. He came on TV and announced that the penalty for assault on someone burning the flag was a $5 fine... Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,587 #4 June 28, 2006 Y'know, I wish that our illustrious legislative branch would pay attention to the talk in places like this. Well, at least to what I agree with Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #5 June 28, 2006 QuoteY'know, I wish that our illustrious legislative branch would pay attention to the talk in places like this. Well, at least to what I agree with Wendy W. That would force them to stop debating crap issues. And we simply cannot have that.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #6 June 28, 2006 QuoteI was living in Louisiana when that passed, and thought the state governor handled the SC decision perfectly. He came on TV and announced that the penalty for assault on someone burning the flag was a $5 fine... Putting the freedom of speech issue aside, has anyone actually considered what might happen if those idiots actually passed an amendment against desecration of the flag? Think about it for a while. Grab your favorite copy of the US code and check out Title 4, chapter 1. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #7 June 28, 2006 No...why don't you tell us what would happen? I see burning the flag as the equivalent of hate speech... Speaking of 4 USC § 1.... 4 USC § 1 8(e) The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #8 June 28, 2006 man, this along with the anti-same sex marriage amendment. Pretty pathetic, really. I guess the current administration is trying to establish a "legacy", since the whole Iraq thing ain't working out so good. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #9 June 28, 2006 In the words of George Carlin, I like to leave symbols for the symbol-mindedWhy yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #10 June 28, 2006 I made a neo-con's head explode today. I doused a pile of Qurans with gasoline, but told him the only way I would light the fire was with a burning American flag. SPLAT! -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bch7773 0 #11 June 28, 2006 I think flag burning should be allowed. same as allowing people to fly the flag. "I may not agree with what you said, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" (voltaire?) MB 3528, RB 1182 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #12 June 28, 2006 QuoteNo...why don't you tell us what would happen? I see burning the flag as the equivalent of hate speech... Speaking of 4 USC § 1.... 4 USC § 1 8(e) The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way. There are many ways to "desecrate" a flag without burning it. One example, if you have one affixed to your car I suggest that you stop and pick up a portable light on the way home. Also, I wonder how many people know how to display it properly when hanging it vertically. I'm sure that local officials and the courts will just LOVE all of the extra work they can expect. Personally, considering what's been going on for the last few years, I think that upside down is appropriate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lefty 0 #13 June 28, 2006 QuoteI see burning the flag as the equivalent of hate speech... So? Should speech be restricted just because someone finds it "hateful"? Do people have a right not to be hated?Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful. -Calvin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #14 June 28, 2006 QuoteY'know, I wish that our illustrious legislative branch would pay attention to the talk in places like this. . But then how can the politician go on the campaign trail and simultaneously CLAIM that he tried to protect the flag (initiating the vote) and also protected free speech (by voting against his own proposal). What a waste of time. Neal - I suspect calling flag burning "hate speech" would depend on the context of the act, not the act itself..... ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #15 June 28, 2006 QuoteQuoteI see burning the flag as the equivalent of hate speech... So? Should speech be restricted just because someone finds it "hateful"? Do people have a right not to be hated? They have the right to the "pursuit of happiness." I read that to mean they have the right not to be hated. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #16 June 28, 2006 QuoteQuoteI see burning the flag as the equivalent of hate speech... So? Should speech be restricted just because someone finds it "hateful"? Do people have a right not to be hated? Isn't that what just happened with that schoolkid and his tshirt.... look at the explosion of "PC speak" over the last 15 yrs or so... that's exactly what has happened.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,587 #17 June 28, 2006 QuoteThere are many ways to "desecrate" a flag without burning it.All those flag halter tops & Tshirt; those hats with obvious flag designs; flag pillows & towels -- that's generally desecrating the flag. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #18 June 28, 2006 QuoteQuoteThere are many ways to "desecrate" a flag without burning it.All those flag halter tops & Tshirt; those hats with obvious flag designs; flag pillows & towels -- that's generally desecrating the flag. Wendy W. shhhhhhhh................Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #19 June 28, 2006 QuoteQuoteThere are many ways to "desecrate" a flag without burning it.All those flag halter tops & Tshirt; those hats with obvious flag designs; flag pillows & towels -- that's generally desecrating the flag. Wendy W. I have American Flag pajamas and I don't consider myself un-Patriotic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #20 June 28, 2006 QuoteSpeaking of 4 USC § 1.... 4 USC § 1 8(e) The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way. is The flag defined anywhere in the USC? If it is shouldn't it be The Flag. If it isn't, does this mean that it applies to all flags? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #21 June 28, 2006 Historical Note: I remember back during the Vietnam War days some hippie-types were prosecuted for Desecration of the Flag (it was criminalized by statute back then) for wearing a flags sewn onto the seats of their jeans. They defended themselves by showing how many other people wore flag insignia on other parts of their clothing without prosecution. Their "double standard" argument (which is essentially what an "Equal Protection of the laws" argument is) ultimately won the day, and the case. (I'm also pretty sure they used a freedom of speech argument, too.). Those cases (there were several around the country) ultimately proved to be the death knell for desecration of the flag statutes; the statutes were held to be unconstitutional. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,594 #22 June 28, 2006 QuoteAll those flag halter tops & Tshirt; those hats with obvious flag designs; flag pillows & towels -- that's generally desecrating the flag. To qualify as an official flag doesn't the thing have to have a certain ratio of dimensions, something like 1:1.9? In which case even if the amendment had been passed just go out and burn a flag thats 1:1.8. Unless that would have been banned too, does anyone have a link to the text of the amendment?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #23 June 28, 2006 Quotedoes anyone have a link to the text of the amendment? The point is, it doesn't matter anymore. It won't be an issue again until election season 2008. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #24 June 28, 2006 Quotedoes anyone have a link to the text of the amendment? The ill-fated amendment didn't specify rules. It authorized Congress to make rules. In other words, finding a cute loophole wouldn't necessitate a new amendment -- simply a new statute. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #25 June 28, 2006 QuoteQuoteThere are many ways to "desecrate" a flag without burning it.All those flag halter tops & Tshirt; those hats with obvious flag designs; flag pillows & towels -- that's generally desecrating the flag. Wendy W. Yup. Just think how people would have deal with a 4th of July picnic with all of those flag napkins. How do you lay them down? Can you set them on the table....or your lap? Can you even use them? Holy crap! I can't throw them away!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
