rushmc 23 #76 June 28, 2006 QuoteQuoteReally? So who is the AVERAGE listener? Evidently, they have no job, as Rush is on from 12-3 pm. Either that, or they have a job working in a warehouse or driving a taxi - where they can play the radio. Oh, and I know the local barber shop plays Rush, so the barbers are in the demographic. Was this true about you when you were a Rush listener for 8 to 10 years? Were you unemployed? Did you drive a cab, cut hair, or work in a warehouse? Ahhhh, nope!"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #77 June 28, 2006 I think they were referring to the multiple oxycontin prescriptions from various doctors. Quote So now he is guilty of this? Hmm, the prosocuter could even get that one. Got an inside scoop? What BS"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites narcimund 0 #78 June 28, 2006 QuoteSo now he is guilty of this? You are SO CUTE! First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zipp0 1 #79 June 28, 2006 Quote I think they were referring to the multiple oxycontin prescriptions from various doctors. Quote So now he is guilty of this? Hmm, the prosocuter could even get that one. Got an inside scoop? What BS Give me a break. Limpballs admitted he was an addict. http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/rushletters2.html -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shotgun 1 #80 June 28, 2006 QuoteI have a hard time criticizing anyone that gets addicted to these meds because for 99%, it wasn't a voluntary choice to start taking them. It was a medical necessity. Are painkillers a medical necessity? I would think that you could heal from an injury with or without them. It might be tough to forgo the meds, but it seems like a voluntary choice to me. So I wouldn't criticize someone who is addicted to street drugs any more than I would criticize someone who is addicted to prescribed painkillers. Regarding most addicts, I think they started out by making a voluntary choice to medicate themselves for some type of pain - physical or emotional. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #81 June 28, 2006 QuoteQuote I think they were referring to the multiple oxycontin prescriptions from various doctors. Quote So now he is guilty of this? Hmm, the prosocuter could even get that one. Got an inside scoop? What BS Give me a break. Limpballs admitted he was an addict. http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/rushletters2.html Being an addict (which he admited) and the charge of dr shopping are way different."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #82 June 28, 2006 QuoteI've met a few women that made similar claims but none have ever actually backed it up. Most were nympho's or the type who read dime store romance novels and/or watched daytime Soaps. Their own lives were always very shallow and most had a deep hatred for men and used this as a way to degrade men. Much like the "feminists" of the past did. A large % of them were actually men hating lesbians, in my experience. Hmm why is it that inept male lovers ALWAYS roll out the lesbian label when they are the ones having the issue????? They tend to do that also when you look at them.. or listen to them ofr a few minutes and say thanks.. but no thanks to their advances. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zipp0 1 #83 June 28, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote I think they were referring to the multiple oxycontin prescriptions from various doctors. Quote So now he is guilty of this? Hmm, the prosocuter could even get that one. Got an inside scoop? What BS Give me a break. Limpballs admitted he was an addict. http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/rushletters2.html Being an addict (which he admited) and the charge of dr shopping are way different. How do you suppose addicts get their necessary large doses of their chosen prescription drug? It doesn't really matter in the end. He was exposed as a hypocrite and a fraud. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #84 June 28, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote I think they were referring to the multiple oxycontin prescriptions from various doctors. Quote So now he is guilty of this? Hmm, the prosocuter could even get that one. Got an inside scoop? What BS Give me a break. Limpballs admitted he was an addict. http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/rushletters2.html Being an addict (which he admited) and the charge of dr shopping are way different. How do you suppose addicts get their necessary large doses of their chosen prescription drug? It doesn't really matter in the end. He was exposed as a hypocrite and a fraud. No, I think you just exposed yourself"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tigra 0 #85 June 28, 2006 Actually, I think its been proven that pain management is an important part of the healing process, at least when you are dealing with physical injuries. Still, the percentage of people who become addicts as a result of taking pain meds as prescribed for a legitimate injury has to be pretty small. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,132 #86 June 28, 2006 >So now he is guilty of this? Yep. He paid $30,000 and agreed to get treatment for his addiction as part of a plea bargain to avoid a tougher sentence. He is still charged with the crime, but the charge may be dropped in 18 months if he fulfills the condition of the bargain. Unfortunately, one of the legal conditions attached to this plea arrangement was no further abuse of prescription medication (which includes viagra.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shotgun 1 #87 June 28, 2006 QuoteActually, I think its been proven that pain management is an important part of the healing process, at least when you are dealing with physical injuries. I have heard something along those lines, so I am honestly not sure whether painkillers are considered a medical necessity. But I feel fairly certain that a person could heal from an injury with or without them. QuoteStill, the percentage of people who become addicts as a result of taking pain meds as prescribed for a legitimate injury has to be pretty small. This is probably true... And perhaps those who do become addicts do so because they discover that the painkillers work for more than just physical pain.(?) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #88 June 28, 2006 Quote>So now he is guilty of this? Yep. He paid $30,000 and agreed to get treatment for his addiction as part of a plea bargain to avoid a tougher sentence. He is still charged with the crime, but the charge may be dropped in 18 months if he fulfills the condition of the bargain. Unfortunately, one of the legal conditions attached to this plea arrangement was no further abuse of prescription medication (which includes viagra.) Well, first off, you have convicted him on the viagra thing already so I know you have not seen the lawyers responce or investigated the precident around why/how doctors use the tecnic second, what would you pay (even if you are inocent) to stop the bleeding? Try some else bill, doesn't fly here...."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites narcimund 0 #89 June 28, 2006 QuoteTry some else bill, doesn't fly here.... Actually, I think his reasoning and research fly very well around here. I notice the loudest posters will bitch about anything he says just out of personal ego or vitriol, but whenever there's a poll, Bill's positions come out way far ahead of yours. You apparently mistake noise and fuss for truth. Keep posting though. I bet it makes you feel better, doesn't it? First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,132 #90 June 28, 2006 >you have convicted him on the viagra thing . . . Nope. That remains to be seen. He may produce the legal prescription tomorrow, in which case there's no issue there. >what would you pay (even if you are inocent) to stop the bleeding? What bleeding? What are you talking about? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #91 June 28, 2006 Quotethere's certainly some sort of karma biting him on the ass, but I don't rate him as a junkie for developing a pain killer addiction and buying viagra on the grey market. Nope, but his addiction to pain killers makes him a junkie.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites narcimund 0 #92 June 28, 2006 Quote>what would you pay (even if you are inocent) to stop the bleeding? What bleeding? What are you talking about? He's implying that Limbaugh paid the fine and signed the agreement solely for practical reasons. In other words, he believes Limbaugh has no principles and is willing to sign his name to any falsehood so long as it makes people stop harassing him. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Remster 30 #93 June 28, 2006 Quotewhat would you pay (even if you are inocent) to stop the bleeding? What bleeding? What are you talking about? The bleeding from corpora cavernosa Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #94 June 28, 2006 QuoteQuoteSo everyone who has a doctor's prescription for Viagra is a "drug abuser"? Wow. I think they were referring to the multiple oxycontin prescriptions from various doctors. And someone on probation for prescription drug offenses should know better than to have mislabeled drugs on their person. First of all, the "again" in the title, above, presupposes that he is actually guilty of this new charge. And that is far from clear. So it's premature, and involves jumping to conclusions without sufficient facts. Tsk tsk. Second, the drugs weren't mislabled - they had the doctor's name on them, and that's not necessarily illegal. Only time will tell on that with the technical paperwork details. But I know how liberals love to jump on Republicans, regardless of truth and justice. Oh by the way, Tom Delay's redistricting of Texas election districts was found legal by the top court today. The liberals have lost yet another round against him, despite pre-judging him before all the facts were in... News: Limbaugh's lawyer, Roy Black, said the prescription was written in Limbaugh's doctor's name "for privacy purposes." The radio host was released without being charged... Mike Edmondson, a spokesman for the state attorney in Palm Beach County, said it's often legal under Florida law for a doc to prescribe medication in a third party's name, if all parties are aware and the medic documents it correctly. Kendall Coffey, a former U.S. attorney in the Sunshine State, told the AP that this latest case may be dismissed if lawmen can confirm with Limbaugh's doctor that the Viagra was indeed prescribed for the celebrity.This prescription isn't even in a third party's name - it's in the doctors name - so that charge doesn't even fly on the face of it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #95 June 28, 2006 Quote>So now he is guilty of this? Yep. He paid $30,000 and agreed to get treatment for his addiction as part of a plea bargain to avoid a tougher sentence. He is still charged with the crime, but the charge may be dropped in 18 months if he fulfills the condition of the bargain. Unfortunately, one of the legal conditions attached to this plea arrangement was no further abuse of prescription medication (which includes viagra.) Here's another gun-jumper! My oh my, there sure are a lot of people willing to jump to conclusions without bothering to wait for the facts to come out. It hasn't even been suggested that the Viagra prescription constitutes "abuse". The only issue is whether the label is legal. That's a technical issue, not "abuse". Shame shame. My 82-year old mom takes a lot of medicines, which vary by the day of the week. She has one of those little plastic pill boxes with seven compartments, so that she can sit down once a week and organize her weekly medications. That means that the pills are no longer in their original containers. So, billvon, do you consider my mom to be a drug abuser because of this? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,132 #96 June 28, 2006 > The only issue is whether the label is legal. Correct. He can prove it is legal by producing a legal prescription for it, in which case the issue goes away. >So, billvon, do you consider my mom to be a drug abuser because of this? If your mom was arrested, booked, then worked out a plea deal whereby she would pay a $30,000 fine and get treatment for her drug addiction for an eventual dismissal of charges - yes, I would consider her an addict. (I suspect that's not the case though!) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #97 June 28, 2006 Quote>So, billvon, do you consider my mom to be a drug abuser because of this? If your mom was arrested, booked, then worked out a plea deal whereby she would pay a $30,000 fine and get treatment for her drug addiction for an eventual dismissal of charges - yes, I would consider her an addict. (I suspect that's not the case though!) Thank you for characterizing my dear old mom so kindly. That was very sweet of you. On the actual question I asked, of whether having pills in a separate box outside the original container constitutes "drug abuse", I'm gonna have to take that as a "no". You really went way off the deep end there in answering a very straight-forward question. Are you taking lessons from kallend? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #98 June 28, 2006 QuoteQuoteTry some else bill, doesn't fly here.... Actually, I think his reasoning and research fly very well around here. I notice the loudest posters will bitch about anything he says just out of personal ego or vitriol, but whenever there's a poll, Bill's positions come out way far ahead of yours. You apparently mistake noise and fuss for truth. Keep posting though. I bet it makes you feel better, doesn't it? Wow, what a piece of condecending piece of vitriol. Fun to read though"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #99 June 28, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote But still, he's an entertainer. Who gives a shit. Must'a been a slow newsmaking day in liberal-land. Yes, Rush Limpballs is an entertainer. Unfortunately, the trailer-dwelling poor white trash who champion him think he is an authority on everything. Then why does he bother you so much? I think pretty much the same of Al Franken, but I don't see his name brought up nearly as much as Limbaugh. Because I used to believe him. At some point I started to question his ideas - One day he was ranting that Tourette's was a made up disease, and just an excuse for children who wanted to swear all the time. Well, that did it for me. From that point on I questioned everything he said, because if he was speaking with such authority on something he was so ignorant of, what other bullshit was coming out of his mouth. As it turns out, a LOT of bullshit. Yaaaa, you used to support and like Bush. Now you are saying you used to like and listen to Rush I think I know where the BS is coming from"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #100 June 28, 2006 Quote>you have convicted him on the viagra thing . . . Nope. That remains to be seen. He may produce the legal prescription tomorrow, in which case there's no issue there. >what would you pay (even if you are inocent) to stop the bleeding? What bleeding? What are you talking about? I was talking about the (non) charge investigation by the county attourney and the Dr shopping charge. Many people pay to stop the bleeding. Tha is all I meant."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 Next Page 4 of 9 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. 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narcimund 0 #78 June 28, 2006 QuoteSo now he is guilty of this? You are SO CUTE! First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #79 June 28, 2006 Quote I think they were referring to the multiple oxycontin prescriptions from various doctors. Quote So now he is guilty of this? Hmm, the prosocuter could even get that one. Got an inside scoop? What BS Give me a break. Limpballs admitted he was an addict. http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/rushletters2.html -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shotgun 1 #80 June 28, 2006 QuoteI have a hard time criticizing anyone that gets addicted to these meds because for 99%, it wasn't a voluntary choice to start taking them. It was a medical necessity. Are painkillers a medical necessity? I would think that you could heal from an injury with or without them. It might be tough to forgo the meds, but it seems like a voluntary choice to me. So I wouldn't criticize someone who is addicted to street drugs any more than I would criticize someone who is addicted to prescribed painkillers. Regarding most addicts, I think they started out by making a voluntary choice to medicate themselves for some type of pain - physical or emotional. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #81 June 28, 2006 QuoteQuote I think they were referring to the multiple oxycontin prescriptions from various doctors. Quote So now he is guilty of this? Hmm, the prosocuter could even get that one. Got an inside scoop? What BS Give me a break. Limpballs admitted he was an addict. http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/rushletters2.html Being an addict (which he admited) and the charge of dr shopping are way different."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #82 June 28, 2006 QuoteI've met a few women that made similar claims but none have ever actually backed it up. Most were nympho's or the type who read dime store romance novels and/or watched daytime Soaps. Their own lives were always very shallow and most had a deep hatred for men and used this as a way to degrade men. Much like the "feminists" of the past did. A large % of them were actually men hating lesbians, in my experience. Hmm why is it that inept male lovers ALWAYS roll out the lesbian label when they are the ones having the issue????? They tend to do that also when you look at them.. or listen to them ofr a few minutes and say thanks.. but no thanks to their advances. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zipp0 1 #83 June 28, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote I think they were referring to the multiple oxycontin prescriptions from various doctors. Quote So now he is guilty of this? Hmm, the prosocuter could even get that one. Got an inside scoop? What BS Give me a break. Limpballs admitted he was an addict. http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/rushletters2.html Being an addict (which he admited) and the charge of dr shopping are way different. How do you suppose addicts get their necessary large doses of their chosen prescription drug? It doesn't really matter in the end. He was exposed as a hypocrite and a fraud. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #84 June 28, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote I think they were referring to the multiple oxycontin prescriptions from various doctors. Quote So now he is guilty of this? Hmm, the prosocuter could even get that one. Got an inside scoop? What BS Give me a break. Limpballs admitted he was an addict. http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/rushletters2.html Being an addict (which he admited) and the charge of dr shopping are way different. How do you suppose addicts get their necessary large doses of their chosen prescription drug? It doesn't really matter in the end. He was exposed as a hypocrite and a fraud. No, I think you just exposed yourself"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tigra 0 #85 June 28, 2006 Actually, I think its been proven that pain management is an important part of the healing process, at least when you are dealing with physical injuries. Still, the percentage of people who become addicts as a result of taking pain meds as prescribed for a legitimate injury has to be pretty small. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,132 #86 June 28, 2006 >So now he is guilty of this? Yep. He paid $30,000 and agreed to get treatment for his addiction as part of a plea bargain to avoid a tougher sentence. He is still charged with the crime, but the charge may be dropped in 18 months if he fulfills the condition of the bargain. Unfortunately, one of the legal conditions attached to this plea arrangement was no further abuse of prescription medication (which includes viagra.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shotgun 1 #87 June 28, 2006 QuoteActually, I think its been proven that pain management is an important part of the healing process, at least when you are dealing with physical injuries. I have heard something along those lines, so I am honestly not sure whether painkillers are considered a medical necessity. But I feel fairly certain that a person could heal from an injury with or without them. QuoteStill, the percentage of people who become addicts as a result of taking pain meds as prescribed for a legitimate injury has to be pretty small. This is probably true... And perhaps those who do become addicts do so because they discover that the painkillers work for more than just physical pain.(?) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #88 June 28, 2006 Quote>So now he is guilty of this? Yep. He paid $30,000 and agreed to get treatment for his addiction as part of a plea bargain to avoid a tougher sentence. He is still charged with the crime, but the charge may be dropped in 18 months if he fulfills the condition of the bargain. Unfortunately, one of the legal conditions attached to this plea arrangement was no further abuse of prescription medication (which includes viagra.) Well, first off, you have convicted him on the viagra thing already so I know you have not seen the lawyers responce or investigated the precident around why/how doctors use the tecnic second, what would you pay (even if you are inocent) to stop the bleeding? Try some else bill, doesn't fly here...."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites narcimund 0 #89 June 28, 2006 QuoteTry some else bill, doesn't fly here.... Actually, I think his reasoning and research fly very well around here. I notice the loudest posters will bitch about anything he says just out of personal ego or vitriol, but whenever there's a poll, Bill's positions come out way far ahead of yours. You apparently mistake noise and fuss for truth. Keep posting though. I bet it makes you feel better, doesn't it? First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,132 #90 June 28, 2006 >you have convicted him on the viagra thing . . . Nope. That remains to be seen. He may produce the legal prescription tomorrow, in which case there's no issue there. >what would you pay (even if you are inocent) to stop the bleeding? What bleeding? What are you talking about? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #91 June 28, 2006 Quotethere's certainly some sort of karma biting him on the ass, but I don't rate him as a junkie for developing a pain killer addiction and buying viagra on the grey market. Nope, but his addiction to pain killers makes him a junkie.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites narcimund 0 #92 June 28, 2006 Quote>what would you pay (even if you are inocent) to stop the bleeding? What bleeding? What are you talking about? He's implying that Limbaugh paid the fine and signed the agreement solely for practical reasons. In other words, he believes Limbaugh has no principles and is willing to sign his name to any falsehood so long as it makes people stop harassing him. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Remster 30 #93 June 28, 2006 Quotewhat would you pay (even if you are inocent) to stop the bleeding? What bleeding? What are you talking about? The bleeding from corpora cavernosa Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #94 June 28, 2006 QuoteQuoteSo everyone who has a doctor's prescription for Viagra is a "drug abuser"? Wow. I think they were referring to the multiple oxycontin prescriptions from various doctors. And someone on probation for prescription drug offenses should know better than to have mislabeled drugs on their person. First of all, the "again" in the title, above, presupposes that he is actually guilty of this new charge. And that is far from clear. So it's premature, and involves jumping to conclusions without sufficient facts. Tsk tsk. Second, the drugs weren't mislabled - they had the doctor's name on them, and that's not necessarily illegal. Only time will tell on that with the technical paperwork details. But I know how liberals love to jump on Republicans, regardless of truth and justice. Oh by the way, Tom Delay's redistricting of Texas election districts was found legal by the top court today. The liberals have lost yet another round against him, despite pre-judging him before all the facts were in... News: Limbaugh's lawyer, Roy Black, said the prescription was written in Limbaugh's doctor's name "for privacy purposes." The radio host was released without being charged... Mike Edmondson, a spokesman for the state attorney in Palm Beach County, said it's often legal under Florida law for a doc to prescribe medication in a third party's name, if all parties are aware and the medic documents it correctly. Kendall Coffey, a former U.S. attorney in the Sunshine State, told the AP that this latest case may be dismissed if lawmen can confirm with Limbaugh's doctor that the Viagra was indeed prescribed for the celebrity.This prescription isn't even in a third party's name - it's in the doctors name - so that charge doesn't even fly on the face of it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #95 June 28, 2006 Quote>So now he is guilty of this? Yep. He paid $30,000 and agreed to get treatment for his addiction as part of a plea bargain to avoid a tougher sentence. He is still charged with the crime, but the charge may be dropped in 18 months if he fulfills the condition of the bargain. Unfortunately, one of the legal conditions attached to this plea arrangement was no further abuse of prescription medication (which includes viagra.) Here's another gun-jumper! My oh my, there sure are a lot of people willing to jump to conclusions without bothering to wait for the facts to come out. It hasn't even been suggested that the Viagra prescription constitutes "abuse". The only issue is whether the label is legal. That's a technical issue, not "abuse". Shame shame. My 82-year old mom takes a lot of medicines, which vary by the day of the week. She has one of those little plastic pill boxes with seven compartments, so that she can sit down once a week and organize her weekly medications. That means that the pills are no longer in their original containers. So, billvon, do you consider my mom to be a drug abuser because of this? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,132 #96 June 28, 2006 > The only issue is whether the label is legal. Correct. He can prove it is legal by producing a legal prescription for it, in which case the issue goes away. >So, billvon, do you consider my mom to be a drug abuser because of this? If your mom was arrested, booked, then worked out a plea deal whereby she would pay a $30,000 fine and get treatment for her drug addiction for an eventual dismissal of charges - yes, I would consider her an addict. (I suspect that's not the case though!) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #97 June 28, 2006 Quote>So, billvon, do you consider my mom to be a drug abuser because of this? If your mom was arrested, booked, then worked out a plea deal whereby she would pay a $30,000 fine and get treatment for her drug addiction for an eventual dismissal of charges - yes, I would consider her an addict. (I suspect that's not the case though!) Thank you for characterizing my dear old mom so kindly. That was very sweet of you. On the actual question I asked, of whether having pills in a separate box outside the original container constitutes "drug abuse", I'm gonna have to take that as a "no". You really went way off the deep end there in answering a very straight-forward question. Are you taking lessons from kallend? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #98 June 28, 2006 QuoteQuoteTry some else bill, doesn't fly here.... Actually, I think his reasoning and research fly very well around here. I notice the loudest posters will bitch about anything he says just out of personal ego or vitriol, but whenever there's a poll, Bill's positions come out way far ahead of yours. You apparently mistake noise and fuss for truth. Keep posting though. I bet it makes you feel better, doesn't it? Wow, what a piece of condecending piece of vitriol. Fun to read though"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #99 June 28, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote But still, he's an entertainer. Who gives a shit. Must'a been a slow newsmaking day in liberal-land. Yes, Rush Limpballs is an entertainer. Unfortunately, the trailer-dwelling poor white trash who champion him think he is an authority on everything. Then why does he bother you so much? I think pretty much the same of Al Franken, but I don't see his name brought up nearly as much as Limbaugh. Because I used to believe him. At some point I started to question his ideas - One day he was ranting that Tourette's was a made up disease, and just an excuse for children who wanted to swear all the time. Well, that did it for me. From that point on I questioned everything he said, because if he was speaking with such authority on something he was so ignorant of, what other bullshit was coming out of his mouth. As it turns out, a LOT of bullshit. Yaaaa, you used to support and like Bush. Now you are saying you used to like and listen to Rush I think I know where the BS is coming from"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #100 June 28, 2006 Quote>you have convicted him on the viagra thing . . . Nope. That remains to be seen. He may produce the legal prescription tomorrow, in which case there's no issue there. >what would you pay (even if you are inocent) to stop the bleeding? What bleeding? What are you talking about? I was talking about the (non) charge investigation by the county attourney and the Dr shopping charge. Many people pay to stop the bleeding. Tha is all I meant."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." 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Shotgun 1 #80 June 28, 2006 QuoteI have a hard time criticizing anyone that gets addicted to these meds because for 99%, it wasn't a voluntary choice to start taking them. It was a medical necessity. Are painkillers a medical necessity? I would think that you could heal from an injury with or without them. It might be tough to forgo the meds, but it seems like a voluntary choice to me. So I wouldn't criticize someone who is addicted to street drugs any more than I would criticize someone who is addicted to prescribed painkillers. Regarding most addicts, I think they started out by making a voluntary choice to medicate themselves for some type of pain - physical or emotional. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #81 June 28, 2006 QuoteQuote I think they were referring to the multiple oxycontin prescriptions from various doctors. Quote So now he is guilty of this? Hmm, the prosocuter could even get that one. Got an inside scoop? What BS Give me a break. Limpballs admitted he was an addict. http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/rushletters2.html Being an addict (which he admited) and the charge of dr shopping are way different."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #82 June 28, 2006 QuoteI've met a few women that made similar claims but none have ever actually backed it up. Most were nympho's or the type who read dime store romance novels and/or watched daytime Soaps. Their own lives were always very shallow and most had a deep hatred for men and used this as a way to degrade men. Much like the "feminists" of the past did. A large % of them were actually men hating lesbians, in my experience. Hmm why is it that inept male lovers ALWAYS roll out the lesbian label when they are the ones having the issue????? They tend to do that also when you look at them.. or listen to them ofr a few minutes and say thanks.. but no thanks to their advances. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zipp0 1 #83 June 28, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote I think they were referring to the multiple oxycontin prescriptions from various doctors. Quote So now he is guilty of this? Hmm, the prosocuter could even get that one. Got an inside scoop? What BS Give me a break. Limpballs admitted he was an addict. http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/rushletters2.html Being an addict (which he admited) and the charge of dr shopping are way different. How do you suppose addicts get their necessary large doses of their chosen prescription drug? It doesn't really matter in the end. He was exposed as a hypocrite and a fraud. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #84 June 28, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote I think they were referring to the multiple oxycontin prescriptions from various doctors. Quote So now he is guilty of this? Hmm, the prosocuter could even get that one. Got an inside scoop? What BS Give me a break. Limpballs admitted he was an addict. http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/rushletters2.html Being an addict (which he admited) and the charge of dr shopping are way different. How do you suppose addicts get their necessary large doses of their chosen prescription drug? It doesn't really matter in the end. He was exposed as a hypocrite and a fraud. No, I think you just exposed yourself"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tigra 0 #85 June 28, 2006 Actually, I think its been proven that pain management is an important part of the healing process, at least when you are dealing with physical injuries. Still, the percentage of people who become addicts as a result of taking pain meds as prescribed for a legitimate injury has to be pretty small. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,132 #86 June 28, 2006 >So now he is guilty of this? Yep. He paid $30,000 and agreed to get treatment for his addiction as part of a plea bargain to avoid a tougher sentence. He is still charged with the crime, but the charge may be dropped in 18 months if he fulfills the condition of the bargain. Unfortunately, one of the legal conditions attached to this plea arrangement was no further abuse of prescription medication (which includes viagra.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shotgun 1 #87 June 28, 2006 QuoteActually, I think its been proven that pain management is an important part of the healing process, at least when you are dealing with physical injuries. I have heard something along those lines, so I am honestly not sure whether painkillers are considered a medical necessity. But I feel fairly certain that a person could heal from an injury with or without them. QuoteStill, the percentage of people who become addicts as a result of taking pain meds as prescribed for a legitimate injury has to be pretty small. This is probably true... And perhaps those who do become addicts do so because they discover that the painkillers work for more than just physical pain.(?) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #88 June 28, 2006 Quote>So now he is guilty of this? Yep. He paid $30,000 and agreed to get treatment for his addiction as part of a plea bargain to avoid a tougher sentence. He is still charged with the crime, but the charge may be dropped in 18 months if he fulfills the condition of the bargain. Unfortunately, one of the legal conditions attached to this plea arrangement was no further abuse of prescription medication (which includes viagra.) Well, first off, you have convicted him on the viagra thing already so I know you have not seen the lawyers responce or investigated the precident around why/how doctors use the tecnic second, what would you pay (even if you are inocent) to stop the bleeding? Try some else bill, doesn't fly here...."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites narcimund 0 #89 June 28, 2006 QuoteTry some else bill, doesn't fly here.... Actually, I think his reasoning and research fly very well around here. I notice the loudest posters will bitch about anything he says just out of personal ego or vitriol, but whenever there's a poll, Bill's positions come out way far ahead of yours. You apparently mistake noise and fuss for truth. Keep posting though. I bet it makes you feel better, doesn't it? First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,132 #90 June 28, 2006 >you have convicted him on the viagra thing . . . Nope. That remains to be seen. He may produce the legal prescription tomorrow, in which case there's no issue there. >what would you pay (even if you are inocent) to stop the bleeding? What bleeding? What are you talking about? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #91 June 28, 2006 Quotethere's certainly some sort of karma biting him on the ass, but I don't rate him as a junkie for developing a pain killer addiction and buying viagra on the grey market. Nope, but his addiction to pain killers makes him a junkie.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites narcimund 0 #92 June 28, 2006 Quote>what would you pay (even if you are inocent) to stop the bleeding? What bleeding? What are you talking about? He's implying that Limbaugh paid the fine and signed the agreement solely for practical reasons. In other words, he believes Limbaugh has no principles and is willing to sign his name to any falsehood so long as it makes people stop harassing him. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Remster 30 #93 June 28, 2006 Quotewhat would you pay (even if you are inocent) to stop the bleeding? What bleeding? What are you talking about? The bleeding from corpora cavernosa Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #94 June 28, 2006 QuoteQuoteSo everyone who has a doctor's prescription for Viagra is a "drug abuser"? Wow. I think they were referring to the multiple oxycontin prescriptions from various doctors. And someone on probation for prescription drug offenses should know better than to have mislabeled drugs on their person. First of all, the "again" in the title, above, presupposes that he is actually guilty of this new charge. And that is far from clear. So it's premature, and involves jumping to conclusions without sufficient facts. Tsk tsk. Second, the drugs weren't mislabled - they had the doctor's name on them, and that's not necessarily illegal. Only time will tell on that with the technical paperwork details. But I know how liberals love to jump on Republicans, regardless of truth and justice. Oh by the way, Tom Delay's redistricting of Texas election districts was found legal by the top court today. The liberals have lost yet another round against him, despite pre-judging him before all the facts were in... News: Limbaugh's lawyer, Roy Black, said the prescription was written in Limbaugh's doctor's name "for privacy purposes." The radio host was released without being charged... Mike Edmondson, a spokesman for the state attorney in Palm Beach County, said it's often legal under Florida law for a doc to prescribe medication in a third party's name, if all parties are aware and the medic documents it correctly. Kendall Coffey, a former U.S. attorney in the Sunshine State, told the AP that this latest case may be dismissed if lawmen can confirm with Limbaugh's doctor that the Viagra was indeed prescribed for the celebrity.This prescription isn't even in a third party's name - it's in the doctors name - so that charge doesn't even fly on the face of it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #95 June 28, 2006 Quote>So now he is guilty of this? Yep. He paid $30,000 and agreed to get treatment for his addiction as part of a plea bargain to avoid a tougher sentence. He is still charged with the crime, but the charge may be dropped in 18 months if he fulfills the condition of the bargain. Unfortunately, one of the legal conditions attached to this plea arrangement was no further abuse of prescription medication (which includes viagra.) Here's another gun-jumper! My oh my, there sure are a lot of people willing to jump to conclusions without bothering to wait for the facts to come out. It hasn't even been suggested that the Viagra prescription constitutes "abuse". The only issue is whether the label is legal. That's a technical issue, not "abuse". Shame shame. My 82-year old mom takes a lot of medicines, which vary by the day of the week. She has one of those little plastic pill boxes with seven compartments, so that she can sit down once a week and organize her weekly medications. That means that the pills are no longer in their original containers. So, billvon, do you consider my mom to be a drug abuser because of this? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,132 #96 June 28, 2006 > The only issue is whether the label is legal. Correct. He can prove it is legal by producing a legal prescription for it, in which case the issue goes away. >So, billvon, do you consider my mom to be a drug abuser because of this? If your mom was arrested, booked, then worked out a plea deal whereby she would pay a $30,000 fine and get treatment for her drug addiction for an eventual dismissal of charges - yes, I would consider her an addict. (I suspect that's not the case though!) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #97 June 28, 2006 Quote>So, billvon, do you consider my mom to be a drug abuser because of this? If your mom was arrested, booked, then worked out a plea deal whereby she would pay a $30,000 fine and get treatment for her drug addiction for an eventual dismissal of charges - yes, I would consider her an addict. (I suspect that's not the case though!) Thank you for characterizing my dear old mom so kindly. That was very sweet of you. On the actual question I asked, of whether having pills in a separate box outside the original container constitutes "drug abuse", I'm gonna have to take that as a "no". You really went way off the deep end there in answering a very straight-forward question. Are you taking lessons from kallend? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #98 June 28, 2006 QuoteQuoteTry some else bill, doesn't fly here.... Actually, I think his reasoning and research fly very well around here. I notice the loudest posters will bitch about anything he says just out of personal ego or vitriol, but whenever there's a poll, Bill's positions come out way far ahead of yours. You apparently mistake noise and fuss for truth. Keep posting though. I bet it makes you feel better, doesn't it? Wow, what a piece of condecending piece of vitriol. Fun to read though"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #99 June 28, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote But still, he's an entertainer. Who gives a shit. Must'a been a slow newsmaking day in liberal-land. Yes, Rush Limpballs is an entertainer. Unfortunately, the trailer-dwelling poor white trash who champion him think he is an authority on everything. Then why does he bother you so much? I think pretty much the same of Al Franken, but I don't see his name brought up nearly as much as Limbaugh. Because I used to believe him. At some point I started to question his ideas - One day he was ranting that Tourette's was a made up disease, and just an excuse for children who wanted to swear all the time. Well, that did it for me. From that point on I questioned everything he said, because if he was speaking with such authority on something he was so ignorant of, what other bullshit was coming out of his mouth. As it turns out, a LOT of bullshit. Yaaaa, you used to support and like Bush. Now you are saying you used to like and listen to Rush I think I know where the BS is coming from"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #100 June 28, 2006 Quote>you have convicted him on the viagra thing . . . Nope. That remains to be seen. He may produce the legal prescription tomorrow, in which case there's no issue there. >what would you pay (even if you are inocent) to stop the bleeding? What bleeding? What are you talking about? I was talking about the (non) charge investigation by the county attourney and the Dr shopping charge. Many people pay to stop the bleeding. Tha is all I meant."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 Next Page 4 of 9 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. 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Amazon 7 #82 June 28, 2006 QuoteI've met a few women that made similar claims but none have ever actually backed it up. Most were nympho's or the type who read dime store romance novels and/or watched daytime Soaps. Their own lives were always very shallow and most had a deep hatred for men and used this as a way to degrade men. Much like the "feminists" of the past did. A large % of them were actually men hating lesbians, in my experience. Hmm why is it that inept male lovers ALWAYS roll out the lesbian label when they are the ones having the issue????? They tend to do that also when you look at them.. or listen to them ofr a few minutes and say thanks.. but no thanks to their advances. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #83 June 28, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote I think they were referring to the multiple oxycontin prescriptions from various doctors. Quote So now he is guilty of this? Hmm, the prosocuter could even get that one. Got an inside scoop? What BS Give me a break. Limpballs admitted he was an addict. http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/rushletters2.html Being an addict (which he admited) and the charge of dr shopping are way different. How do you suppose addicts get their necessary large doses of their chosen prescription drug? It doesn't really matter in the end. He was exposed as a hypocrite and a fraud. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #84 June 28, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote I think they were referring to the multiple oxycontin prescriptions from various doctors. Quote So now he is guilty of this? Hmm, the prosocuter could even get that one. Got an inside scoop? What BS Give me a break. Limpballs admitted he was an addict. http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/rushletters2.html Being an addict (which he admited) and the charge of dr shopping are way different. How do you suppose addicts get their necessary large doses of their chosen prescription drug? It doesn't really matter in the end. He was exposed as a hypocrite and a fraud. No, I think you just exposed yourself"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tigra 0 #85 June 28, 2006 Actually, I think its been proven that pain management is an important part of the healing process, at least when you are dealing with physical injuries. Still, the percentage of people who become addicts as a result of taking pain meds as prescribed for a legitimate injury has to be pretty small. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,132 #86 June 28, 2006 >So now he is guilty of this? Yep. He paid $30,000 and agreed to get treatment for his addiction as part of a plea bargain to avoid a tougher sentence. He is still charged with the crime, but the charge may be dropped in 18 months if he fulfills the condition of the bargain. Unfortunately, one of the legal conditions attached to this plea arrangement was no further abuse of prescription medication (which includes viagra.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shotgun 1 #87 June 28, 2006 QuoteActually, I think its been proven that pain management is an important part of the healing process, at least when you are dealing with physical injuries. I have heard something along those lines, so I am honestly not sure whether painkillers are considered a medical necessity. But I feel fairly certain that a person could heal from an injury with or without them. QuoteStill, the percentage of people who become addicts as a result of taking pain meds as prescribed for a legitimate injury has to be pretty small. This is probably true... And perhaps those who do become addicts do so because they discover that the painkillers work for more than just physical pain.(?) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #88 June 28, 2006 Quote>So now he is guilty of this? Yep. He paid $30,000 and agreed to get treatment for his addiction as part of a plea bargain to avoid a tougher sentence. He is still charged with the crime, but the charge may be dropped in 18 months if he fulfills the condition of the bargain. Unfortunately, one of the legal conditions attached to this plea arrangement was no further abuse of prescription medication (which includes viagra.) Well, first off, you have convicted him on the viagra thing already so I know you have not seen the lawyers responce or investigated the precident around why/how doctors use the tecnic second, what would you pay (even if you are inocent) to stop the bleeding? Try some else bill, doesn't fly here...."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites narcimund 0 #89 June 28, 2006 QuoteTry some else bill, doesn't fly here.... Actually, I think his reasoning and research fly very well around here. I notice the loudest posters will bitch about anything he says just out of personal ego or vitriol, but whenever there's a poll, Bill's positions come out way far ahead of yours. You apparently mistake noise and fuss for truth. Keep posting though. I bet it makes you feel better, doesn't it? First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,132 #90 June 28, 2006 >you have convicted him on the viagra thing . . . Nope. That remains to be seen. He may produce the legal prescription tomorrow, in which case there's no issue there. >what would you pay (even if you are inocent) to stop the bleeding? What bleeding? What are you talking about? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #91 June 28, 2006 Quotethere's certainly some sort of karma biting him on the ass, but I don't rate him as a junkie for developing a pain killer addiction and buying viagra on the grey market. Nope, but his addiction to pain killers makes him a junkie.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites narcimund 0 #92 June 28, 2006 Quote>what would you pay (even if you are inocent) to stop the bleeding? What bleeding? What are you talking about? He's implying that Limbaugh paid the fine and signed the agreement solely for practical reasons. In other words, he believes Limbaugh has no principles and is willing to sign his name to any falsehood so long as it makes people stop harassing him. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Remster 30 #93 June 28, 2006 Quotewhat would you pay (even if you are inocent) to stop the bleeding? What bleeding? What are you talking about? The bleeding from corpora cavernosa Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #94 June 28, 2006 QuoteQuoteSo everyone who has a doctor's prescription for Viagra is a "drug abuser"? Wow. I think they were referring to the multiple oxycontin prescriptions from various doctors. And someone on probation for prescription drug offenses should know better than to have mislabeled drugs on their person. First of all, the "again" in the title, above, presupposes that he is actually guilty of this new charge. And that is far from clear. So it's premature, and involves jumping to conclusions without sufficient facts. Tsk tsk. Second, the drugs weren't mislabled - they had the doctor's name on them, and that's not necessarily illegal. Only time will tell on that with the technical paperwork details. But I know how liberals love to jump on Republicans, regardless of truth and justice. Oh by the way, Tom Delay's redistricting of Texas election districts was found legal by the top court today. The liberals have lost yet another round against him, despite pre-judging him before all the facts were in... News: Limbaugh's lawyer, Roy Black, said the prescription was written in Limbaugh's doctor's name "for privacy purposes." The radio host was released without being charged... Mike Edmondson, a spokesman for the state attorney in Palm Beach County, said it's often legal under Florida law for a doc to prescribe medication in a third party's name, if all parties are aware and the medic documents it correctly. Kendall Coffey, a former U.S. attorney in the Sunshine State, told the AP that this latest case may be dismissed if lawmen can confirm with Limbaugh's doctor that the Viagra was indeed prescribed for the celebrity.This prescription isn't even in a third party's name - it's in the doctors name - so that charge doesn't even fly on the face of it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #95 June 28, 2006 Quote>So now he is guilty of this? Yep. He paid $30,000 and agreed to get treatment for his addiction as part of a plea bargain to avoid a tougher sentence. He is still charged with the crime, but the charge may be dropped in 18 months if he fulfills the condition of the bargain. Unfortunately, one of the legal conditions attached to this plea arrangement was no further abuse of prescription medication (which includes viagra.) Here's another gun-jumper! My oh my, there sure are a lot of people willing to jump to conclusions without bothering to wait for the facts to come out. It hasn't even been suggested that the Viagra prescription constitutes "abuse". The only issue is whether the label is legal. That's a technical issue, not "abuse". Shame shame. My 82-year old mom takes a lot of medicines, which vary by the day of the week. She has one of those little plastic pill boxes with seven compartments, so that she can sit down once a week and organize her weekly medications. That means that the pills are no longer in their original containers. So, billvon, do you consider my mom to be a drug abuser because of this? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,132 #96 June 28, 2006 > The only issue is whether the label is legal. Correct. He can prove it is legal by producing a legal prescription for it, in which case the issue goes away. >So, billvon, do you consider my mom to be a drug abuser because of this? If your mom was arrested, booked, then worked out a plea deal whereby she would pay a $30,000 fine and get treatment for her drug addiction for an eventual dismissal of charges - yes, I would consider her an addict. (I suspect that's not the case though!) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #97 June 28, 2006 Quote>So, billvon, do you consider my mom to be a drug abuser because of this? If your mom was arrested, booked, then worked out a plea deal whereby she would pay a $30,000 fine and get treatment for her drug addiction for an eventual dismissal of charges - yes, I would consider her an addict. (I suspect that's not the case though!) Thank you for characterizing my dear old mom so kindly. That was very sweet of you. On the actual question I asked, of whether having pills in a separate box outside the original container constitutes "drug abuse", I'm gonna have to take that as a "no". You really went way off the deep end there in answering a very straight-forward question. Are you taking lessons from kallend? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #98 June 28, 2006 QuoteQuoteTry some else bill, doesn't fly here.... Actually, I think his reasoning and research fly very well around here. I notice the loudest posters will bitch about anything he says just out of personal ego or vitriol, but whenever there's a poll, Bill's positions come out way far ahead of yours. You apparently mistake noise and fuss for truth. Keep posting though. I bet it makes you feel better, doesn't it? Wow, what a piece of condecending piece of vitriol. Fun to read though"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #99 June 28, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote But still, he's an entertainer. Who gives a shit. Must'a been a slow newsmaking day in liberal-land. Yes, Rush Limpballs is an entertainer. Unfortunately, the trailer-dwelling poor white trash who champion him think he is an authority on everything. Then why does he bother you so much? I think pretty much the same of Al Franken, but I don't see his name brought up nearly as much as Limbaugh. Because I used to believe him. At some point I started to question his ideas - One day he was ranting that Tourette's was a made up disease, and just an excuse for children who wanted to swear all the time. Well, that did it for me. From that point on I questioned everything he said, because if he was speaking with such authority on something he was so ignorant of, what other bullshit was coming out of his mouth. As it turns out, a LOT of bullshit. Yaaaa, you used to support and like Bush. Now you are saying you used to like and listen to Rush I think I know where the BS is coming from"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #100 June 28, 2006 Quote>you have convicted him on the viagra thing . . . Nope. That remains to be seen. He may produce the legal prescription tomorrow, in which case there's no issue there. >what would you pay (even if you are inocent) to stop the bleeding? What bleeding? What are you talking about? I was talking about the (non) charge investigation by the county attourney and the Dr shopping charge. Many people pay to stop the bleeding. Tha is all I meant."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." 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rushmc 23 #84 June 28, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote I think they were referring to the multiple oxycontin prescriptions from various doctors. Quote So now he is guilty of this? Hmm, the prosocuter could even get that one. Got an inside scoop? What BS Give me a break. Limpballs admitted he was an addict. http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/rushletters2.html Being an addict (which he admited) and the charge of dr shopping are way different. How do you suppose addicts get their necessary large doses of their chosen prescription drug? It doesn't really matter in the end. He was exposed as a hypocrite and a fraud. No, I think you just exposed yourself"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tigra 0 #85 June 28, 2006 Actually, I think its been proven that pain management is an important part of the healing process, at least when you are dealing with physical injuries. Still, the percentage of people who become addicts as a result of taking pain meds as prescribed for a legitimate injury has to be pretty small. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,132 #86 June 28, 2006 >So now he is guilty of this? Yep. He paid $30,000 and agreed to get treatment for his addiction as part of a plea bargain to avoid a tougher sentence. He is still charged with the crime, but the charge may be dropped in 18 months if he fulfills the condition of the bargain. Unfortunately, one of the legal conditions attached to this plea arrangement was no further abuse of prescription medication (which includes viagra.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shotgun 1 #87 June 28, 2006 QuoteActually, I think its been proven that pain management is an important part of the healing process, at least when you are dealing with physical injuries. I have heard something along those lines, so I am honestly not sure whether painkillers are considered a medical necessity. But I feel fairly certain that a person could heal from an injury with or without them. QuoteStill, the percentage of people who become addicts as a result of taking pain meds as prescribed for a legitimate injury has to be pretty small. This is probably true... And perhaps those who do become addicts do so because they discover that the painkillers work for more than just physical pain.(?) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #88 June 28, 2006 Quote>So now he is guilty of this? Yep. He paid $30,000 and agreed to get treatment for his addiction as part of a plea bargain to avoid a tougher sentence. He is still charged with the crime, but the charge may be dropped in 18 months if he fulfills the condition of the bargain. Unfortunately, one of the legal conditions attached to this plea arrangement was no further abuse of prescription medication (which includes viagra.) Well, first off, you have convicted him on the viagra thing already so I know you have not seen the lawyers responce or investigated the precident around why/how doctors use the tecnic second, what would you pay (even if you are inocent) to stop the bleeding? Try some else bill, doesn't fly here...."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites narcimund 0 #89 June 28, 2006 QuoteTry some else bill, doesn't fly here.... Actually, I think his reasoning and research fly very well around here. I notice the loudest posters will bitch about anything he says just out of personal ego or vitriol, but whenever there's a poll, Bill's positions come out way far ahead of yours. You apparently mistake noise and fuss for truth. Keep posting though. I bet it makes you feel better, doesn't it? First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,132 #90 June 28, 2006 >you have convicted him on the viagra thing . . . Nope. That remains to be seen. He may produce the legal prescription tomorrow, in which case there's no issue there. >what would you pay (even if you are inocent) to stop the bleeding? What bleeding? What are you talking about? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #91 June 28, 2006 Quotethere's certainly some sort of karma biting him on the ass, but I don't rate him as a junkie for developing a pain killer addiction and buying viagra on the grey market. Nope, but his addiction to pain killers makes him a junkie.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites narcimund 0 #92 June 28, 2006 Quote>what would you pay (even if you are inocent) to stop the bleeding? What bleeding? What are you talking about? He's implying that Limbaugh paid the fine and signed the agreement solely for practical reasons. In other words, he believes Limbaugh has no principles and is willing to sign his name to any falsehood so long as it makes people stop harassing him. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Remster 30 #93 June 28, 2006 Quotewhat would you pay (even if you are inocent) to stop the bleeding? What bleeding? What are you talking about? The bleeding from corpora cavernosa Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #94 June 28, 2006 QuoteQuoteSo everyone who has a doctor's prescription for Viagra is a "drug abuser"? Wow. I think they were referring to the multiple oxycontin prescriptions from various doctors. And someone on probation for prescription drug offenses should know better than to have mislabeled drugs on their person. First of all, the "again" in the title, above, presupposes that he is actually guilty of this new charge. And that is far from clear. So it's premature, and involves jumping to conclusions without sufficient facts. Tsk tsk. Second, the drugs weren't mislabled - they had the doctor's name on them, and that's not necessarily illegal. Only time will tell on that with the technical paperwork details. But I know how liberals love to jump on Republicans, regardless of truth and justice. Oh by the way, Tom Delay's redistricting of Texas election districts was found legal by the top court today. The liberals have lost yet another round against him, despite pre-judging him before all the facts were in... News: Limbaugh's lawyer, Roy Black, said the prescription was written in Limbaugh's doctor's name "for privacy purposes." The radio host was released without being charged... Mike Edmondson, a spokesman for the state attorney in Palm Beach County, said it's often legal under Florida law for a doc to prescribe medication in a third party's name, if all parties are aware and the medic documents it correctly. Kendall Coffey, a former U.S. attorney in the Sunshine State, told the AP that this latest case may be dismissed if lawmen can confirm with Limbaugh's doctor that the Viagra was indeed prescribed for the celebrity.This prescription isn't even in a third party's name - it's in the doctors name - so that charge doesn't even fly on the face of it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #95 June 28, 2006 Quote>So now he is guilty of this? Yep. He paid $30,000 and agreed to get treatment for his addiction as part of a plea bargain to avoid a tougher sentence. He is still charged with the crime, but the charge may be dropped in 18 months if he fulfills the condition of the bargain. Unfortunately, one of the legal conditions attached to this plea arrangement was no further abuse of prescription medication (which includes viagra.) Here's another gun-jumper! My oh my, there sure are a lot of people willing to jump to conclusions without bothering to wait for the facts to come out. It hasn't even been suggested that the Viagra prescription constitutes "abuse". The only issue is whether the label is legal. That's a technical issue, not "abuse". Shame shame. My 82-year old mom takes a lot of medicines, which vary by the day of the week. She has one of those little plastic pill boxes with seven compartments, so that she can sit down once a week and organize her weekly medications. That means that the pills are no longer in their original containers. So, billvon, do you consider my mom to be a drug abuser because of this? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,132 #96 June 28, 2006 > The only issue is whether the label is legal. Correct. He can prove it is legal by producing a legal prescription for it, in which case the issue goes away. >So, billvon, do you consider my mom to be a drug abuser because of this? If your mom was arrested, booked, then worked out a plea deal whereby she would pay a $30,000 fine and get treatment for her drug addiction for an eventual dismissal of charges - yes, I would consider her an addict. (I suspect that's not the case though!) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #97 June 28, 2006 Quote>So, billvon, do you consider my mom to be a drug abuser because of this? If your mom was arrested, booked, then worked out a plea deal whereby she would pay a $30,000 fine and get treatment for her drug addiction for an eventual dismissal of charges - yes, I would consider her an addict. (I suspect that's not the case though!) Thank you for characterizing my dear old mom so kindly. That was very sweet of you. On the actual question I asked, of whether having pills in a separate box outside the original container constitutes "drug abuse", I'm gonna have to take that as a "no". You really went way off the deep end there in answering a very straight-forward question. Are you taking lessons from kallend? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #98 June 28, 2006 QuoteQuoteTry some else bill, doesn't fly here.... Actually, I think his reasoning and research fly very well around here. I notice the loudest posters will bitch about anything he says just out of personal ego or vitriol, but whenever there's a poll, Bill's positions come out way far ahead of yours. You apparently mistake noise and fuss for truth. Keep posting though. I bet it makes you feel better, doesn't it? Wow, what a piece of condecending piece of vitriol. Fun to read though"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #99 June 28, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote But still, he's an entertainer. Who gives a shit. Must'a been a slow newsmaking day in liberal-land. Yes, Rush Limpballs is an entertainer. Unfortunately, the trailer-dwelling poor white trash who champion him think he is an authority on everything. Then why does he bother you so much? I think pretty much the same of Al Franken, but I don't see his name brought up nearly as much as Limbaugh. Because I used to believe him. At some point I started to question his ideas - One day he was ranting that Tourette's was a made up disease, and just an excuse for children who wanted to swear all the time. Well, that did it for me. From that point on I questioned everything he said, because if he was speaking with such authority on something he was so ignorant of, what other bullshit was coming out of his mouth. As it turns out, a LOT of bullshit. Yaaaa, you used to support and like Bush. Now you are saying you used to like and listen to Rush I think I know where the BS is coming from"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #100 June 28, 2006 Quote>you have convicted him on the viagra thing . . . Nope. That remains to be seen. He may produce the legal prescription tomorrow, in which case there's no issue there. >what would you pay (even if you are inocent) to stop the bleeding? What bleeding? What are you talking about? I was talking about the (non) charge investigation by the county attourney and the Dr shopping charge. Many people pay to stop the bleeding. Tha is all I meant."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 Next Page 4 of 9 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. 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tigra 0 #85 June 28, 2006 Actually, I think its been proven that pain management is an important part of the healing process, at least when you are dealing with physical injuries. Still, the percentage of people who become addicts as a result of taking pain meds as prescribed for a legitimate injury has to be pretty small. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #86 June 28, 2006 >So now he is guilty of this? Yep. He paid $30,000 and agreed to get treatment for his addiction as part of a plea bargain to avoid a tougher sentence. He is still charged with the crime, but the charge may be dropped in 18 months if he fulfills the condition of the bargain. Unfortunately, one of the legal conditions attached to this plea arrangement was no further abuse of prescription medication (which includes viagra.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #87 June 28, 2006 QuoteActually, I think its been proven that pain management is an important part of the healing process, at least when you are dealing with physical injuries. I have heard something along those lines, so I am honestly not sure whether painkillers are considered a medical necessity. But I feel fairly certain that a person could heal from an injury with or without them. QuoteStill, the percentage of people who become addicts as a result of taking pain meds as prescribed for a legitimate injury has to be pretty small. This is probably true... And perhaps those who do become addicts do so because they discover that the painkillers work for more than just physical pain.(?) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #88 June 28, 2006 Quote>So now he is guilty of this? Yep. He paid $30,000 and agreed to get treatment for his addiction as part of a plea bargain to avoid a tougher sentence. He is still charged with the crime, but the charge may be dropped in 18 months if he fulfills the condition of the bargain. Unfortunately, one of the legal conditions attached to this plea arrangement was no further abuse of prescription medication (which includes viagra.) Well, first off, you have convicted him on the viagra thing already so I know you have not seen the lawyers responce or investigated the precident around why/how doctors use the tecnic second, what would you pay (even if you are inocent) to stop the bleeding? Try some else bill, doesn't fly here...."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #89 June 28, 2006 QuoteTry some else bill, doesn't fly here.... Actually, I think his reasoning and research fly very well around here. I notice the loudest posters will bitch about anything he says just out of personal ego or vitriol, but whenever there's a poll, Bill's positions come out way far ahead of yours. You apparently mistake noise and fuss for truth. Keep posting though. I bet it makes you feel better, doesn't it? First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #90 June 28, 2006 >you have convicted him on the viagra thing . . . Nope. That remains to be seen. He may produce the legal prescription tomorrow, in which case there's no issue there. >what would you pay (even if you are inocent) to stop the bleeding? What bleeding? What are you talking about? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #91 June 28, 2006 Quotethere's certainly some sort of karma biting him on the ass, but I don't rate him as a junkie for developing a pain killer addiction and buying viagra on the grey market. Nope, but his addiction to pain killers makes him a junkie.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #92 June 28, 2006 Quote>what would you pay (even if you are inocent) to stop the bleeding? What bleeding? What are you talking about? He's implying that Limbaugh paid the fine and signed the agreement solely for practical reasons. In other words, he believes Limbaugh has no principles and is willing to sign his name to any falsehood so long as it makes people stop harassing him. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #93 June 28, 2006 Quotewhat would you pay (even if you are inocent) to stop the bleeding? What bleeding? What are you talking about? The bleeding from corpora cavernosa Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #94 June 28, 2006 QuoteQuoteSo everyone who has a doctor's prescription for Viagra is a "drug abuser"? Wow. I think they were referring to the multiple oxycontin prescriptions from various doctors. And someone on probation for prescription drug offenses should know better than to have mislabeled drugs on their person. First of all, the "again" in the title, above, presupposes that he is actually guilty of this new charge. And that is far from clear. So it's premature, and involves jumping to conclusions without sufficient facts. Tsk tsk. Second, the drugs weren't mislabled - they had the doctor's name on them, and that's not necessarily illegal. Only time will tell on that with the technical paperwork details. But I know how liberals love to jump on Republicans, regardless of truth and justice. Oh by the way, Tom Delay's redistricting of Texas election districts was found legal by the top court today. The liberals have lost yet another round against him, despite pre-judging him before all the facts were in... News: Limbaugh's lawyer, Roy Black, said the prescription was written in Limbaugh's doctor's name "for privacy purposes." The radio host was released without being charged... Mike Edmondson, a spokesman for the state attorney in Palm Beach County, said it's often legal under Florida law for a doc to prescribe medication in a third party's name, if all parties are aware and the medic documents it correctly. Kendall Coffey, a former U.S. attorney in the Sunshine State, told the AP that this latest case may be dismissed if lawmen can confirm with Limbaugh's doctor that the Viagra was indeed prescribed for the celebrity.This prescription isn't even in a third party's name - it's in the doctors name - so that charge doesn't even fly on the face of it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #95 June 28, 2006 Quote>So now he is guilty of this? Yep. He paid $30,000 and agreed to get treatment for his addiction as part of a plea bargain to avoid a tougher sentence. He is still charged with the crime, but the charge may be dropped in 18 months if he fulfills the condition of the bargain. Unfortunately, one of the legal conditions attached to this plea arrangement was no further abuse of prescription medication (which includes viagra.) Here's another gun-jumper! My oh my, there sure are a lot of people willing to jump to conclusions without bothering to wait for the facts to come out. It hasn't even been suggested that the Viagra prescription constitutes "abuse". The only issue is whether the label is legal. That's a technical issue, not "abuse". Shame shame. My 82-year old mom takes a lot of medicines, which vary by the day of the week. She has one of those little plastic pill boxes with seven compartments, so that she can sit down once a week and organize her weekly medications. That means that the pills are no longer in their original containers. So, billvon, do you consider my mom to be a drug abuser because of this? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #96 June 28, 2006 > The only issue is whether the label is legal. Correct. He can prove it is legal by producing a legal prescription for it, in which case the issue goes away. >So, billvon, do you consider my mom to be a drug abuser because of this? If your mom was arrested, booked, then worked out a plea deal whereby she would pay a $30,000 fine and get treatment for her drug addiction for an eventual dismissal of charges - yes, I would consider her an addict. (I suspect that's not the case though!) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #97 June 28, 2006 Quote>So, billvon, do you consider my mom to be a drug abuser because of this? If your mom was arrested, booked, then worked out a plea deal whereby she would pay a $30,000 fine and get treatment for her drug addiction for an eventual dismissal of charges - yes, I would consider her an addict. (I suspect that's not the case though!) Thank you for characterizing my dear old mom so kindly. That was very sweet of you. On the actual question I asked, of whether having pills in a separate box outside the original container constitutes "drug abuse", I'm gonna have to take that as a "no". You really went way off the deep end there in answering a very straight-forward question. Are you taking lessons from kallend? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #98 June 28, 2006 QuoteQuoteTry some else bill, doesn't fly here.... Actually, I think his reasoning and research fly very well around here. I notice the loudest posters will bitch about anything he says just out of personal ego or vitriol, but whenever there's a poll, Bill's positions come out way far ahead of yours. You apparently mistake noise and fuss for truth. Keep posting though. I bet it makes you feel better, doesn't it? Wow, what a piece of condecending piece of vitriol. Fun to read though"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #99 June 28, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote But still, he's an entertainer. Who gives a shit. Must'a been a slow newsmaking day in liberal-land. Yes, Rush Limpballs is an entertainer. Unfortunately, the trailer-dwelling poor white trash who champion him think he is an authority on everything. Then why does he bother you so much? I think pretty much the same of Al Franken, but I don't see his name brought up nearly as much as Limbaugh. Because I used to believe him. At some point I started to question his ideas - One day he was ranting that Tourette's was a made up disease, and just an excuse for children who wanted to swear all the time. Well, that did it for me. From that point on I questioned everything he said, because if he was speaking with such authority on something he was so ignorant of, what other bullshit was coming out of his mouth. As it turns out, a LOT of bullshit. Yaaaa, you used to support and like Bush. Now you are saying you used to like and listen to Rush I think I know where the BS is coming from"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #100 June 28, 2006 Quote>you have convicted him on the viagra thing . . . Nope. That remains to be seen. He may produce the legal prescription tomorrow, in which case there's no issue there. >what would you pay (even if you are inocent) to stop the bleeding? What bleeding? What are you talking about? I was talking about the (non) charge investigation by the county attourney and the Dr shopping charge. Many people pay to stop the bleeding. Tha is all I meant."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites