Muslims fighting against Islamist terrorists

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PESHAWAR (Reuters) - A suicide car bomber rammed a Pakistani paramilitary checkpost on Monday, killing at least six troopers in a tribal region where the army has been fighting al Qaeda and pro-Taliban militants for months, officials said.

The attack in North Waziristan came a day after a militant commander said a month-long cease-fire had been called to give time for tribal elders to broker a settlement to end the conflict in the semi-autonomous region.

"We can confirm at the moment that a car packed with explosives rammed a checkpost on the Bannu-Miranshah road," Ghafoor Shah, a government official told Reuters.

Two intelligence sources said seven troopers were killed in the blast, while a third said six were killed and five wounded.

"It was a white car and only one person, the driver, was in it," an intelligence official said.

Security forces have killed more than 300 militants, including 75 foreigners, in North Waziristan since last year, after the military switched its offensive from South Waziristan.

Several Arab lieutenants of al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden have been killed in North Waziristan, and U.S. drone aircraft have carried out missile strikes on al Qaeda targets from across the border in Afghanistan.

Most of the casualties have occurred since March, when fighting escalated dramatically after militant Muslim clerics called on tribesmen to take up arms following a missile strike by Pakistani helicopters on a large al Qaeda camp close to the Afghan border.

The approach to the site of the suicide attack, around 300 km southwest of Islamabad, was cordoned off.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/26062006/325/suicide-bomber-kills-pakistani-troops-waziristan.html


Just food for thought.

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And theres more....

Saturday June 24, 07:01 PM

Authorities in Saudi Arabia have arrested more than 40 suspected militants in raids across the Kingdom. The Saudi interior ministry said they suspected at least 27 of the men of having links to radical Islamic groups. State television reported that four suspected terrorists, including an Iraqi, were arrested in a raid at their hideout in the northeastern town of Hafr al-Baten.

The raid led to the arrest of "nine Saudis involved in terrorism" it added, quoting an Interior Ministry statement.

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It said another 27 men were arrested across the vast desert kingdom, in Mecca, the Eastern Province and the northern border region, including 24 Saudis, two Somalis and an Ethiopian.

The ministry of interior said the 27 men were involved in "suspicious activities" connected to radical Islamist groups.

A security source told Reuters those arrested formed part of a wider cell of some 50 people which had been broken up, involving a shoot-out on Friday in which six people were killed.

Weapons and documents were reportedly seized in the raid on the desert hideout.

Islamist activists allied to al Qaeda have been waging a violent campaign aimed at toppling the U.S.-backed monarchy.

Officials have said about 150 foreigners and Saudis, including security forces, and 130 militants have died in attacks and clashes with police since May 2003, when al Qaeda suicide bombers hit three Western housing compounds in Riyadh.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/24062006/140/saudis-arrest-40-terror-suspects.html


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RIYADH (AFP) - Six alleged members of the Al-Qaeda terror network and a policeman were killed in a pre-dawn shootout at a militant hideout in the capital Riyadh, the Saudi interior ministry has said.

A seventh Al-Qaeda suspect was wounded and captured in the firefight in the Al-Nakhil neighbourhood of the Saudi capital, a ministry spokesman said in a statement Friday, adding that other members of the security forces were wounded.

The group had been plotting a suicide bombing against a

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security target in Riyadh, according to policemen at the scene.

"The security forces at dawn Friday pursued seven ... members of the 'deviant minority' to a house in the Al-Nakhil district of Riyadh ... where they suddenly came under sustained automatic weapons fire," the interior ministry spokesman said.

The police "then replied and managed to take control of the situation quickly, killing six of them, wounding and capturing the seventh," he said.

"A member of the security forces was killed and others were wounded in the operation."

The term "deviant minority" is used in Saudi officialese to designate the local branch of Al-Qaeda, responsible for a wave of violence that has shaken the oil-rich kingdom since May 2003.

One of the policemen cordoning off the area told AFP: "The group was preparing a terrorist operation and its members were being tailed on the basis of intelligence service information."

Policemen at the scene later said they had seized a videotape showing that the group had been plotting to carry out a suicide bombing against a security target in Riyadh within the next two days.

The footage showed the group members making their "will" before the attack, one policeman said.

Residents of Al-Nakhil told AFP the clash started shortly before 2:30 am (2330 GMT Thursday) around a villa.

"Some armed men who had barricaded themselves in the villa tried to escape but the security forces fired at them, destroying their car," said one witness.

Several ambulances sped to the scene, evacuating the wounded, the residents said. The shooting lasted about half an hour.

Residents said a police helicopter was called in to help with the operation and that they had seen at least 11 wounded police being taken away.

Police could be seen taking cardboard boxes stuffed with documents and computer equipment out of the villa after the operation.

Saudi King Abdullah pledged in April to annihilate Al-Qaeda-linked militants in the kingdom, vowing to "combat the ideology of those who accuse others of infidelity."

Saudi Arabia has been under pressure to crack down on militancy since the September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States, a strike masterminded by Saudi-born Osama bin Laden, in which 15 out of 19 suicide hijackers were Saudi.

Saudi security forces have succeeded in eliminating a number of successive Al-Qaeda commanders in the ultra-conservative kingdom.

At least 90 civilians, 55 security personnel and 136 militants have died since the unrest began in May 2003, according to the last official tally. Hundreds more have been wounded.

Saudi forces in February thwarted a plot to blow up the world's largest oil-processing plant, the first such attempted attack on Saudi Arabia's vital oil infrastructure that was later claimed by Al-Qaeda.

Suicide bombers attempted to penetrate the plant at Abqaiq, in the oil-rich Eastern Province, but their attack was thwarted, leaving two security men and two would-be suicide bombers dead.

An Al-Qaeda statement posted on the Internet claimed responsibility, vowing to attack more Saudi oil installations.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/23062006/323/six-al-qaeda-suspects-killed-saudi-villa-shootout.html

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I didn't think anyone doubted that both the Saudi and Pakistani regimes are threatened by AQ.

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Some poeple make coments like why don't Muslims do something about the Terrorists and ofetn forget or simply don't realise that they are.

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Good point, yes they have become targets of extremist groups as well as westerners.

I have been told the reasons are many but included,
Not being religous enough(Whahabi's), cooperating with the west, and allowing infidels on muslim soil.

I get this information from a former intelligence officer in the US Army and the US Navy, and he is a Jordanian who lived there for over 25 years.

Skyrad is there anything you can add to this, or help to explain why this is happening?

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Good point, yes they have become targets of extremist groups as well as westerners.

I have been told the reasons are many but included,
Not being religous enough(Whahabi's), cooperating with the west, and allowing infidels on muslim soil.

I get this information from a former intelligence officer in the US Army and the US Navy, and he is a Jordanian who lived there for over 25 years.

Skyrad is there anything you can add to this, or help to explain why this is happening?

What your friend told you is basicly correct. Unfortunatly the Wahibists really are trouble makers. Over the years the UK and US has helped them due to a belife in the old saying 'My enemys enemy is my friend' now their enemy is us. Although this is a bit over simplified as Islamists often refered to as Al Qaeda are not simply pure form Wahabists (for various reasons.) For example if we look at Bin Laden he is very different in belife system to alot of the groups who have been lumped to gether as Al Qaeda. Bin Laden can best be described as a millenarian, reformist, revivalist, fundamentalist, Wahhabi, Salafist Islamist whos methods stray far from wahhabist thought and are based in modernity. In fact his methodology is more in line with Marxist revolutionary groups than Wahhabi thought. His vision is one that is transcontinental, looking to establism the Umma (a united Muslim community without borders from India to Portugal) his vision is global. Many of the groups termed Al Qaeda, for example:
Al Qaeda in Iraq,
Lashkar Jihad (Idonesia)
Al Gamma al Islamiyya (Egypt)
the Bangladeshi Jihad Movement
Jaish-e-Mohammed
GIA (Algeria)
are all Islamists but they don't share OBL's global view they want Islamic rule but are esentialy nationalists (although there exists in Islam a theological concept known as tauhid which is a principle of 'oneness' or unity, whereby muslims see each other as brothers. (this means that although each of these groups are nationalists they maybe sympathtic to the concept of the umma though it is not what they fight for.)
The GSPC (Algeria) the Eygptian Islamic Jihad, Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan and the Libyan Fighting Group have mainly historical and local political reasons fueling their anger. All these are Sunni groups but there are also hundreds of Shia groups across the world too, each with their own grudges. In some cases where its a political issue the issues range from a lack of graduate employment, social mobility, food, decent housing; all of which help provide a fertile ground for the Wahhabi/Salafi school of thought.

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All these are Sunni groups but there are also hundreds of Shia groups across the world too, each with their own grudges.

So, would these groups be fighting themselves if it wasn't for us?

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Some would, but then again as can be seen they cover a large geographical area. Mostly they wouldn't have all that much t do with each other. Thats not to say they should be ignored but that the most effective way of addressing the threat they may pose is via intelligence/police/special forces operations. Also where there are real issues by addressing those issues ie: Housing, employment, education and health care. 'Tough on cime, tough on the causes of crime' As our beloved leader Tony says.

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Thats not to say they should be ignored but that the most effective way of addressing the threat they may pose is via intelligence/police/special forces operations.

How about buying them all TVs and introducing them to BayWatch?

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Thats not to say they should be ignored but that the most effective way of addressing the threat they may pose is via intelligence/police/special forces operations.

How about buying them all TVs and introducing them to BayWatch?

Could work, if not then introduce Big Brother!

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