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Oh, the irony, once again! From the one who tried to deceive everyone about a significant change in crime rate with a .02% change, from one single murder. And then after being beaten down you finally decided to claim it was "parody". So if you're against things that are posted which are untrue, then I guess you're against yourself. You sound like the fable of "the boy who cried wolf", who told fibs so many times, that no one any longer believed anything he said.

You got to expect this from the libs, i just ignore it.


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If only it were true. But of course, it isn't.

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no spin... same plan as always, period.

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>The only ones that does not understand this is the Murtha crowd.

And now, apparently, the US military. Spin it all you like; the commander of the US troops in Iraq today proposed a hard date for a pullout to begin, just as the democrats have proposed.

You're killing me here, Bill. The Democrats strategy for the last 9 months has been to claim the want to pull out, fully knowing that eventually their would be a draw down. Now they can claim that Bush is finally listening to them. I'm amazed you allowed yourself to be fooled by this transparency.

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no spin... same plan as always, period.

In that case I expect you will be willing to admit that it was Micro who used the word "significant" about the decrease in crime in Chicago, and not me, and you will retract your comments too. Right?

Added comment - it was JR himself who used the word "dramatic". Oh the irony.

Come on JR, time to confess.

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>The only ones that does not understand this is the Murtha crowd.

And now, apparently, the US military. Spin it all you like; the commander of the US troops in Iraq today proposed a hard date for a pullout to begin, just as the democrats have proposed.

You're killing me here, Bill. The Democrats strategy for the last 9 months has been to claim the want to pull out, fully knowing that eventually their would be a draw down. Now they can claim that Bush is finally listening to them. I'm amazed you allowed yourself to be fooled by this transparency.

Not even good spin. Try harder.

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>The only ones that does not understand this is the Murtha crowd.

And now, apparently, the US military. Spin it all you like; the commander of the US troops in Iraq today proposed a hard date for a pullout to begin, just as the democrats have proposed.

You're killing me here, Bill. The Democrats strategy for the last 9 months has been to claim the want to pull out, fully knowing that eventually their would be a draw down. Now they can claim that Bush is finally listening to them. I'm amazed you allowed yourself to be fooled by this transparency.

Not even good spin. Try harder.

Not surprised you got fooled?

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>fully knowing that eventually their would be a draw down.

"When Iraq can stand on its own" if I remember the spin correctly. Yet the proposal was to draw down troops by the end of this year, and the top Iraqi commander said Baghdad's forces would not be ready to keep the peace for at least a year in Anbar province alone.

But I have no fear that you will now claim that this was the plan all along. "Well, we knew Iraq would never be at peace, but at least now the government can be independent. And if it falls it's not our fault - it's the liberals fault for making us leave!"

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>The only ones that does not understand this is the Murtha crowd.

And now, apparently, the US military. Spin it all you like; the commander of the US troops in Iraq today proposed a hard date for a pullout to begin, just as the democrats have proposed.

You're killing me here, Bill. The Democrats strategy for the last 9 months has been to claim the want to pull out, fully knowing that eventually their would be a draw down. Now they can claim that Bush is finally listening to them. I'm amazed you allowed yourself to be fooled by this transparency.

Not even good spin. Try harder.

Not surprised you got fooled?

Actually, I have made no comment on it. The closest I got was a comment on your lame spin.

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>fully knowing that eventually their would be a draw down.

"When Iraq can stand on its own" if I remember the spin correctly. Yet the proposal was to draw down troops by the end of this year, and the top Iraqi commander said Baghdad's forces would not be ready to keep the peace for at least a year in Anbar province alone.

But I have no fear that you will now claim that this was the plan all along. "Well, we knew Iraq would never be at peace, but at least now the government can be independent. And if it falls it's not our fault - it's the liberals fault for making us leave!"

The plan all along has been to withdraw US Forces gradually as the Iraqi Forces become stronger. Dems like Kerry have been pushing the demand for a time line for quite some time now. Always pushing it back as the timeline got more unrealistic.

Spin it however you want. It's a pathetic attempt to score political points.

Hey, did you know the it's going to snow sometime next year in Vermont? I control the weather.

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Perhaps you might want to actually READ someting about the mans service in country..he actually got off the boat.... he was actually in a shooting war...... your boy did not even serve out his fucking term because he would never have been able to pass the golden flow test.



To the men who served with him, John Kerry was "one of the most daring skippers in the US Navy, relentlessly and courageously engaging the enemy," according to The Boston Globe. William Zaladonis, who served under Kerry on a Swift Boat, said that he was more interested than some other commanding officers in his crewmates' lives, hopes, and dreams. John Kerry put his crewmates at ease, telling them to "call me John - you don't have to call me sir." When "we were out on patrol," Zaladonis recalls, "we were a family."

Lt. John Kerry's leadership, courage, and sacrifice earned him a Silver Star, the Navy's fifth highest medal, a Bronze Star with Combat V, and three Purple Hearts, awarded for wounds received in combat. John Kerry was awarded a Bronze Star for rescuing a Green Beret, who had gone overboard during a mission. According to his Bronze Star citation, "Lt. Kerry directed his gunners to provide suppressing fire, while from an exposed position on the bow, his arm bleeding and in pain, with disregard for his personal safety, he pulled the man aboard. Lt. Kerry's calmness, professionalism, and great personal courage under fire were in keeping with the highest traditions of the US Naval Service."

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>Dems like Kerry have been pushing the demand for a time line for
>quite some time now.

Right, and today Casey adopted a timeline. No doubt you will now decide that it's an excellent idea, and that it's not at all like what those dumb ol' democrats were pushing for.

Unfortunately for the GOP, more and more people every day are learning to use Google, and won't fall for the usual revisionist nonsense.

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>Dems like Kerry have been pushing the demand for a time line for
>quite some time now.

Right, and today Casey adopted a timeline. No doubt you will now decide that it's an excellent idea, and that it's not at all like what those dumb ol' democrats were pushing for.

Unfortunately for the GOP, more and more people every day are learning to use Google, and won't fall for the usual revisionist nonsense.

Funny I was thinking the same thing about the Dems.

Quite pathetic what Kerry and Co. are trying to pull and pretty sad they are convinced they can get away with it.

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I wonder who would actually stand up with a weapon in his hands if he needed to.. Kerry or Bush.

One has...and has pulled the trigger on another human being.

Yes, Kerry pulled the trigger on some 14 year old kid running for his life -- AWAY from Kerry.

Kerry is a giant pussy, but you don't need to hear that particular story to know it. Hell, just hearing him talk on any topic for 5 minutes tells you he's a weasel and a pussy.

Kerry is a poser of a man if one ever lived. I wouldn't shake his hand.

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Come on JR, time to confess.

Did you not use the word "parody" to describe your own words once your "decrease in murder rate" scam was uncovered?

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Come on JR, time to confess.

Did you not use the word "parody" to describe your own words once your "decrease in murder rate" scam was uncovered?

How is it a scam to call a reduction in the number of murders "a decrease"? Kindly explain how a reduction in the number of murders is anything other than a decrease, and how calling it such is a "scam". Would you would call a reduction "an increase" or something?

The ONLY people who called it "significant" or "dramatic" were Micro and JohnRich, who has suddenly gone very quiet now that his false statement has been exposed.

None of which excuses JR's claim that I wrote something that I didn't write, being unable to back up his claim from the archives (obviously, since his claim was false), and his not being honest enough to admit it when called on it.

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>The only ones that does not understand this is the Murtha crowd.

And now, apparently, the US military. Spin it all you like; the commander of the US troops in Iraq today proposed a hard date for a pullout to begin, just as the democrats have proposed.

You're killing me here, Bill. The Democrats strategy for the last 9 months has been to claim the want to pull out, fully knowing that eventually their would be a draw down. Now they can claim that Bush is finally listening to them. I'm amazed you allowed yourself to be fooled by this transparency.

Not even good spin. Try harder.

Not surprised you got fooled?

Actually, I have made no comment on it. The closest I got was a comment on your lame spin.

Calling what I said "Lame Spin" is the same as saying you disagree with it. If you disgree with what I said, then it means you support the opposite position, as there are only 2 positions being presented. That means you have allowed yourself to be fooled by believing something foolish.

What is Lame Spin is what Kerry, Pelosi and others are actually fooling the naive into believing.

The sun will come up tomorrow, I must be a prophet, is about as dumb and transparent as it gets.

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Who would accept a purple heart for a scratch?

Dunno.... my Dad never did... when the corpsman mentioned doing the paperwork for it, Dad told him he'd "kick his ass from the keel up to the masthead"...

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Swift Vets and POWs for Truth has been formed to counter the false "war crimes" charges John Kerry repeatedly made against Vietnam veterans who served in our units and elsewhere, and to accurately portray Kerry's brief tour in Vietnam as a junior grade Lieutenant. We speak from personal experience -- our group includes men who served beside Kerry in combat as well as his commanders. Though we come from different backgrounds and hold varying political opinions, we agree on one thing: John Kerry misrepresented his record and ours in Vietnam and therefore exhibits serious flaws in character and lacks the potential to lead.

We regret the need to do this. Most Swift boat veterans would like nothing better than to support one of our own for America's highest office, regardless of whether he was running as a Democrat or a Republican. However, Kerry's phony war crimes charges, his exaggerated claims about his own service in Vietnam, and his deliberate misrepresentation of the nature and effectiveness of Swift boat operations compel us to step forward.

For more than thirty years, most Vietnam veterans kept silent as we were maligned as misfits, drug addicts, and baby killers. Now that a key creator of that poisonous image is seeking the Presidency we have resolved to end our silence.


The time has come to set the record

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We all know that Dubya fearlessly and selflessly defended Texas during the Vietnam War... And he did a damn good job of it! To my certain knowledge there wasn't a single attack on Texas by either the Viet-Minh or NVA! Not on his watch.

We also know that Kerry served in Vietnam. We know this because he took a camera, actually lots of cameras, with him! Kerry then fearlessly and honestly testified in a Congressional hearing to all those things which would get him the maximum publicity, all without any thought of personal pain (to others).

The old saying about Pots and Kettles springs to mind. Are either honestly qualified to accuse the other of anything concerning Vietnam?

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Are you still posting stuff you know to be untrue, just for your amusement?

Oh, the irony, once again! From the one who tried to deceive everyone about a significant change in crime rate with a .02% change, from one single murder. And then after being beaten down you finally decided to claim it was "parody". So if you're against things that are posted which are untrue, then I guess you're against yourself. You sound like the fable of "the boy who cried wolf", who told fibs so many times, that no one any longer believed anything he said.

Where did I say it was "significant"? Provide a link to the post in which I made that claim or retract your statement. All I said was that it decreased, and that is true (447 is LESS THAN 448 in most states). I wrote not one qualifier (large, enormous, significant, huge, miniscule...) about the decrease. You need to re-read the thread, carefully this time. I will accept your apology when you discover that you are wrong in accusing me of deception.

Well, you can't provide a link to back up your claim, you won't apologize for the offensive nature of your post, so I can only assume it was a deliberate PERSONAL ATTACK.

And by the way John, the reduction was 0.22%, NOT 0.02% as you stated above. That's a factor of 11 error you made, John, in a post accusing ME of exaggeration and lying! Up here in Illinois we still teach math.

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>The only ones that does not understand this is the Murtha crowd.

And now, apparently, the US military. Spin it all you like; the commander of the US troops in Iraq today proposed a hard date for a pullout to begin, just as the democrats have proposed.

You're killing me here, Bill. The Democrats strategy for the last 9 months has been to claim the want to pull out, fully knowing that eventually their would be a draw down. Now they can claim that Bush is finally listening to them. I'm amazed you allowed yourself to be fooled by this transparency.

Not even good spin. Try harder.

Not surprised you got fooled?

Actually, I have made no comment on it. The closest I got was a comment on your lame spin.

Calling what I said "Lame Spin" is the same as saying you disagree with it. If you disgree with what I said, then it means you support the opposite position, as there are only 2 positions being presented. That means you have allowed yourself to be fooled by believing something foolish.

What is Lame Spin is what Kerry, Pelosi and others are actually fooling the naive into believing.

The sun will come up tomorrow, I must be a prophet, is about as dumb and transparent as it gets.

The lameness is that you folks on the right have been telling us for months that the sun should not come up in the morning and suddenly you've realized that it will.

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You're killing me here, Bill. The Democrats strategy for the last 9 months has been to claim the want to pull out, fully knowing that eventually their would be a draw down. Now they can claim that Bush is finally listening to them. I'm amazed you allowed yourself to be fooled by this transparency.

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You're killing me here, Bill. The Democrats strategy for the last 9 months has been to claim the want to pull out, fully knowing that eventually their would be a draw down. Now they can claim that Bush is finally listening to them. I'm amazed you allowed yourself to be fooled by this transparency.

Come on where is John Kallend when we need him to say the democrats are like a stopped watch, correct only twice a day and totally worthless.

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You're killing me here, Bill. The Democrats strategy for the last 9 months has been to claim the want to pull out, fully knowing that eventually their would be a draw down. Now they can claim that Bush is finally listening to them. I'm amazed you allowed yourself to be fooled by this transparency.

Come on where is John Kallend when we need him to say the democrats are like a stopped watch, correct only twice a day and totally worthless.

The Sun only comes up once a day. The Democrats got that part right. Yesterday the Republicans also discovered that it comes up once a day but aren't sure if they want to admit it..

BTW, they are ALL worthless. Some are more worthless than others.

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Well, you can't provide a link to back up your claim, you won't apologize for the offensive nature of your post, so I can only assume it was a deliberate PERSONAL ATTACK.

And by the way John, the reduction was 0.22%, NOT 0.02% as you stated above. That's a factor of 11 error you made, John, in a post accusing ME of exaggeration and lying! Up here in Illinois we still teach math.

You posted to yourself.

Are you chastizing yourself? If so, that's the funniest thing I've seen in a long time.

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