warpedskydiver 0 #26 June 21, 2006 the victorius sides gets what they want, peace or the ability to have a shithole to launch operations from. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #27 June 21, 2006 QuoteThe Iraqis. Edited to add - it's absolutely amazing that this wasn't an option up there. And they wonder why the US is seen as arrogant? billvon, you didn't state why you want the Iraqis to win. Apparently your vote won't count. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #28 June 21, 2006 which Iraqis? and how do you think they will win? Like I said I am in favor of them providing their own security and us leaving. How does that not equal the Iraqis winning? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #29 June 21, 2006 So..... no recognition of the other countries in the fray Well done... and some people wonder why other countries consider the USA to be arogant . (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #30 June 21, 2006 QuoteQuote The 'liberation' was tactical, primarily in the pursuit of oil, I disagree. If it was really about the oil, we'd own it. So, clearly, it's not about that. It is about oil. It's about who controls it. People we like or people we don't like. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #31 June 21, 2006 Quotewhich Iraqis? and how do you think they will win? Like I said I am in favor of them providing their own security and us leaving. How does that not equal the Iraqis winning? Actually I was just pointing out that you said you won't count non-US votes that don't include an explanation. But you say that you want the Iraqis to "win". What if "winning" means that the majority of them are able to install a theocratic dictatorship? Is that ok or does "winning" have to mean that there is a US modeled democracy installed? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #32 June 21, 2006 Quotethe victorius sides gets what they want, peace or the ability to have a shithole to launch operations from. A "shithole to launch operations from?" Don't we have that now? Let's declare victory and back our forces out of the dangerous areas. I want the USA to win, but I fear we have already lost. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,119 #33 June 21, 2006 >which Iraqis? The ones in Iraq. The ones who are now doing most of the suffering/dying as part of 'our' war. >and how do you think they will win? Up to them to define. Not us. If they want the US out? Then victory will come when they force the US to leave. Even if that's not the same as "the US winning." >How does that not equal the Iraqis winning? It might - but that wasn't an option. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #34 June 21, 2006 QuoteAll non US winning votes may be discounted if no opinion as to why is stated. Why don't the votes for USA need to explain why? Personally, I like Billvon's answer. I hope the Iraqi people "win". Given the number who have been killed by US and insurgent forces, things are gonna have to get pretty damned peachy to justify the losses. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyD 0 #35 June 21, 2006 Quote I want the USA to win, but I fear we have already lost. Its not possible to win or lose a war with an intangible object. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #36 June 21, 2006 I thought the mission was already accomplished.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #37 June 21, 2006 QuoteSo..... no recognition of the other countries in the fray Well done... and some people wonder why other countries consider the USA to be arogant . When I say the US I mean and it's allies that have not cut and run and of course that means the UK. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #38 June 21, 2006 Thanks mate (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,119 #39 June 21, 2006 >When I say the US I mean and it's allies that have not cut and run . . . Not too much question as to why the rest of the world thinks we're arrogant. A country sends a significant fraction of its military to Iraq, watches them get injured and killed, and then leaves when it said it was going to leave - and is called a coward by US 101st Fighting Keyboarders. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #40 June 21, 2006 Quote>When I say the US I mean and it's allies that have not cut and run . . . Not too much question as to why the rest of the world thinks we're arrogant. A country sends a significant fraction of its military to Iraq, watches them get injured and killed, and then leaves when it said it was going to leave - and is called a coward by US 101st Fighting Keyboarders. Bill it was you that just inferred that, if a country sent a contingent, for specified period of time, then how could anyone at all consider that cut and run. BTW thanks for trying to misinterpret what was actually said. oh and for the qwerty army slam? I wonder when the last time was that you served your country Bill? I did my share thanks! I would also like to point out that I would go back if I wasn't considered 50% disabled and therefore prevented from doing so. (those of you that know me IRL know this for a fact.) That does not keep me from helping out in whatever manner I can. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,119 #41 June 21, 2006 >BTW thanks for trying to misinterpret what was actually said. What you ACTUALLY said, originally, was that the options were that the US or the insurgents could win. (or neither.) Then you said that you considered the countries in the fray, not the ones who cut and ran, as part of what you called "the US." No disclaimers or anything. Now, that comes across as arrogant. You may have meant something different. But unless you _say_ what you mean, people will see that as arrogant. >I wonder when the last time was that you served your country Bill? Two years back. Designed a satellite data modem for use in a small diameter munition (a smart bomb.) It's being produced now. It's not much but we all do what we can. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alias 0 #42 June 21, 2006 What does "win" mean? Win = find WMD's - WIN there were none GET OUT Win = get Saddam - WIN - he gone. GET OUT Win = elections, train police WIN GET OUT So, all the reasons for this mess have been accomplished by my notes. What does "win" mean? Lets get that straight and I'll join in. Carpe Diem Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #43 June 21, 2006 Wheres the fucking UK in all of this then? I see you've provided an exoplanation as to what you meant but I believe they have term for this. Its called ethnocentrism. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #44 June 21, 2006 Quote>BTW thanks for trying to misinterpret what was actually said. What you ACTUALLY said, originally, was that the options were that the US or the insurgents could win. (or neither.) Then you said that you considered the countries in the fray, not the ones who cut and ran, as part of what you called "the US." No disclaimers or anything. Now, that comes across as arrogant. You may have meant something different. But unless you _say_ what you mean, people will see that as arrogant. >I wonder when the last time was that you served your country Bill? Two years back. Designed a satellite data modem for use in a small diameter munition (a smart bomb.) It's being produced now. It's not much but we all do what we can. Ok fair enough Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #45 June 22, 2006 QuoteWheres the fucking UK in all of this then? I see you've provided an exoplanation as to what you meant but I believe they have term for this. Its called ethnocentrism. UK, what's that? ... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rookie120 0 #46 June 22, 2006 QuoteWheres the fucking UK in all of this then? Dont you mean UN?If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MarkR 0 #47 June 22, 2006 QuoteThe Germans. Everyone should let them win...its been a while since they've been able to win a major war. Could be because it's been a while since we've been involved in a "major" war. I say it should be ceasefire and the US withdraws its troops.»Somewhere between the lies and truths borderlines get shady. Somewhere between the yesses and nos you can find the maybe.« Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 2 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
kallend 2,150 #45 June 22, 2006 QuoteWheres the fucking UK in all of this then? I see you've provided an exoplanation as to what you meant but I believe they have term for this. Its called ethnocentrism. UK, what's that? ... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #46 June 22, 2006 QuoteWheres the fucking UK in all of this then? Dont you mean UN?If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkR 0 #47 June 22, 2006 QuoteThe Germans. Everyone should let them win...its been a while since they've been able to win a major war. Could be because it's been a while since we've been involved in a "major" war. I say it should be ceasefire and the US withdraws its troops.»Somewhere between the lies and truths borderlines get shady. Somewhere between the yesses and nos you can find the maybe.« Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
