vaccine safety

[billvon 3,116]

>Regardless of the link of thimerosal to autism, thimerosal
>scares me. It absolutely is a neurotoxin.

Well, right. But if you want to keep neurotoxins out of your kids, coal power plants are a much bigger risk than vaccinations. Nail polish, secondhand smoke and truck exhaust are also a significant risk. Heck, cutting fish out of your diet would remove more heavy metals from your body than not getting a flu shot. If you replaced the fish with beef, though, you will be less healthy overall because you've lost those omega-3's and added a lot of saturated fat and cholesterol. Is it worth it? Up to each person, but overall you're better off eating fish (and living with the increase in heavy metals.)

[freeflybella 0]

We're vegan, so the fish thing is a moot point.

But you're right - all of those things are toxic, too. I try to minimize exposure to much as I can.

Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi

[pirana 0]

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There are risks associated with getting out of bed each day. There are risks associated with taking a bath or shower.

WTF are you talking about? I say you've got to examine the risk vs. benefit of each one and make a decision. How is that illogical. The risk of putting foreign bodies in your bloodstream is different from whether or not you might fall down in the shower. If you're so carefree, why not throw caution to the wind and play a nice game of Russian Roulette? I mean, you could develop an allergic reaction to milk at breakfast tomorrow morning. Why not?

WTF am I talking about! WTF are you talking about? Either you have no capacity for logic, or you did not read the post. You claimed there are risks associated with vaccination as some sort of justification for not getting vaccinated. I point out that the risks in getting vaccinated are far outweighed by the benefits. Also, that everything in life (including getting out of bed and taking a shower have risks). In case you did not pick up on that, the point is that because something presents some risk does not mean it is something to be avoided. The diligent person weighs the risk of taking, versus not taking, the action. As far as the milk thing goes, what is the relevance? I already did state earlier that if a health professional has evidence or suspicion that a condition exists which increases the dangers of being vaccinated, then it must be a consideration. So yes, I take it as a no-brainer that if you have lactoose intolerance - don't drink the milk. DUH!!! And yes, if a condition increases risk of problems from vaccination, don't do it without further in depth consultation.

Arguing with philistines that can not follow the logical structure of a debate is so fucking thankless.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

[pajarito 0]

Let’s review:

Here is my first post:

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I think it depends on which vaccinations. Some are more risk than others. I vaccinated my children with the standard ones. I did not vaccinate against chicken pox.

Here is yours and the parts of it that I was responding to (unnecessarily arrogant, condescending, and an illogical comparison, IMO):

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Get vaccinated. Fear of vaccines these days is grounded in about as much evidence as Planet X, tarot cards, and Scientology.

Course you could take it one step further and refuse treatment when a child does become ill. That would REALLY show them!

Unless a qualified physician (Oprah, Tom Cruise, the guys on the Morning Show, etc do not count) suspects AND detects a condition that would dictate otherwise - get it done.

My next reply (relating to the topic) was:

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There are risks associated with some vaccinations.

And you then came back with another silly comparison which has no relevance to making a prudent decision concerning what we’re talking about here:

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There are risks associated with getting out of bed each day. There are risks associated with taking a bath or shower. They are pretty much nil compared to foregoing hygiene the rest of a person's life.

Vaccinate the kids.

I then clarified my position and, I admit, sarcastically used a silly comparison of my own to make a point:

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WTF are you talking about? I say you've got to examine the risk vs. benefit of each one and make a decision. How is that illogical. The risk of putting foreign bodies in your bloodstream is different from whether or not you might fall down in the shower. If you're so carefree, why not throw caution to the wind and play a nice game of Russian Roulette? I mean, you could develop an allergic reaction to milk at breakfast tomorrow morning. Why not?

You then restate some of my points, attribute some false ones that you made up to me, and insult my intelligence with the following:

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WTF am I talking about! WTF are you talking about? Either you have no capacity for logic, or you did not read the post. You claimed there are risks associated with vaccination as some sort of justification for not getting vaccinated. (NEVER SAID) I point out that the risks in getting vaccinated are far outweighed by the benefits. Also, that everything in life (including getting out of bed and taking a shower have risks). In case you did not pick up on that, the point is that because something presents some risk does not mean it is something to be avoided (I AGREE). The diligent person weighs the risk of taking, versus not taking, the action. As far as the milk thing goes, what is the relevance (AS MUCH AS YOURS)? I already did state earlier that if a health professional has evidence or suspicion that a condition exists which increases the dangers of being vaccinated, then it must be a consideration. So yes, I take it as a no-brainer that if you have lactoose intolerance - don't drink the milk. DUH!!! And yes, if a condition increases risk of problems from vaccination, don't do it without further in depth consultation.

Did you include this just for me?

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Arguing with philistines that can not follow the logical structure of a debate is so fucking thankless.

So who’s being illogical and not reading posts?

[rehmwa 2]

paj - I think you escalated this nonsense stream between the two of you by taking a flip and generalized statement as a personal attack (pirana's first response was to the original post, not to you) - IMHO

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[pajarito 0]

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paj - I think you escalated this nonsense stream between the two of you by taking a flip and generalized statement as a personal attack (pirana's first response was to the original post, not to you) - IMHO

Right. And my response to his original statement to the thread creator was was simply, "There are risks associated with some vaccinations." No escalated stream. Just conversation. But ok. I'm over it.