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rehmwa 2
Quoteregardless of the reason, that $1000 (not the trip expenses, or anything else) is charitable contribution and should be treated as such for tax purposes
Not if the "vacationer" is the president of the foundaton on a "fact-finding" trip. Then the whole trip is paid for by the foundation, which is supported by tax deductible income.
I took out the rest of your non-related rant. If you compare what I wrote to what you have there above (I neatly placed them next to each other for ease of comparison), you can see we either agree wholly, or you just want to argue for no reason or you want to have different rules for different classes instead of equality for all. {I never disagreed with how crooked some of these charitable 'foundations' can be, but you need to assess each one, not lump them all together}
And - I don't think the very poor will see a distinction between the Gates, the Heinz-Kerry's, and the Kallend's - as truly vast as those difference really are. They want your dollars just as much and put you in the same social bucket also and will blame you for the same slights and issues.
I don't think you know any of the really poor
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JohnRich 4
Quote1) Yes, looks like Americans give a lot to charity, but it needs to be said that the US spends far less on social programs per GDP/capita then other countries, i.e. in European countries people pay for helping the poor and sick via their taxes instead of privately...
Given the choice between:
1) Paying high taxes and letting the government decide how to spend the money and who gets it, or;
2) Paying lower taxes and deciding for myself how much to contribute to charity and which charities I wish to benefit...
I'll take option #2 - I like the freedom of choice.
Furthermore, option #2 teaches personal independence and charity, instead of apathy and government dependence.
Quoteor you just want to argue for no reason
You just identified the all-encompassing theme of SC. You get to drink from the FIREHOSE!!!!
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Quote2 - don't care, just glad that charity is happening around the world to some extent by most countries
I'm more in line with #2 - but that's from a charity-should-be-voluntary-and-individual position.
I agree with you, all this pro and anti american/german/australian stuff (patriotism you called it) is nuts. So it calling it 'typical' too, though.
Bang on. Thank you. Rather than shouting about how "Great" you or I are as a country, maybe it'd be better to consider what you as an individual give to "worthy causes" (which don't include the local ballet company or favoured college).
Mike.
Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.
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rehmwa 2
thanks
even better - I don't shout about how 'great' I am at charitable giving, AND I don't bother to 'consider' what anyone else gives either. Their charitable giving is really not my business.
But, is it REALLY charity if your government taxes you extra and then gives it away - even if the cause is good?
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even better - I don't shout about how 'great' I am at charitable giving, AND I don't bother to 'consider' what anyone else gives either. Their charitable giving is really not my business.
But, is it REALLY charity if your government taxes you extra and then gives it away - even if the cause is good?
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rehmwa 2
Quoteyou or I are as a country,
I'm not a country, but I do play one on TV.
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JohnRich 4
QuoteBut, is it REALLY charity if your government taxes you extra and then gives it away - even if the cause is good?
Good question.
If the German government quit taxing its citizens so heavily, and then ceased spending on so many charitable causes, would the Germans take their new-found cash, and donate the same amount back to charity again, as private individuals?
I don't think forced taxation can be considered "charity".
skydyvr 0
QuoteAnd if you're not going to provide a link to your source, don't expect your claims to be taken seriously
When that guy said "I'll bet it was a neo-con" in response to some post about a child molestor, he removed any expectations of being taken seriously in any way.
It stands as the stupidest comment ever on dizzy com.
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kallend 2,150
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YOUR sources??
Public and available - do some search and you find it.
Amen brother. I get tired of looking this crap up every time I want to say something that is nearly common knowledge. That, and I get lazy.
And if you're not going to provide a link to your source, don't expect your claims to be taken seriously
Double edged sword there. Are you sure you want to go there?
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mnealtx 0
QuoteQuoteAnd if you're not going to provide a link to your source, don't expect your claims to be taken seriously
Double edged sword there. Are you sure you want to go there?
Yeah, I know.... but seeing the recent thread, wouldn't want someone slipping a "Wiki Finn" to us, now would we?
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rehmwa 2
QuoteIf the German government quit taxing its citizens so heavily, and then ceased spending on so many charitable causes, would the Germans take their new-found cash, and donate the same amount back to charity again, as private individuals?
Some won't, some might, some might invest it to make even more $$$ and give more than would have previously, some might not even notice or care, some might try to get others to contribute 'their' new found wealth, etc. In any case, I refuse to lump them all together.
All I do know, is likely the german (pick a country) economy would improve, some administrative types in gov service would lose quite a bit of both legit and illegal income. People needing charity may or may not even notice the difference. Possibly, with the charity being more personal than before, a net effect could be improvement in conditions for those the really need it. And the effects would become more local and more ethical and more effective and more efficient.
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kallend 2,150
QuoteQuoteIf the German government quit taxing its citizens so heavily, and then ceased spending on so many charitable causes, would the Germans take their new-found cash, and donate the same amount back to charity again, as private individuals?
Some won't, some might, some might invest it to make even more $$$ and give more than would have previously, some might not even notice or care, some might try to get others to contribute 'their' new found wealth, etc. In any case, I refuse to lump them all together.
All I do know, is likely the german (pick a country) economy would improve, some administrative types in gov service would lose quite a bit of both legit and illegal income. People needing charity may or may not even notice the difference. Possibly, with the charity being more personal than before, a net effect could be improvement in conditions for those the really need it. And the effects would become more local and more ethical and more effective and more efficient.
Are the poor and indigent in Germany, Sweden, Netherlands, UK etc., better or worse off than the poor and indigent in the US in terms of food, shelter, healthcare? Comparing OUTCOMES is the proper way to compare systems.
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rehmwa 2
QuoteComparing OUTCOMES is the proper way to compare systems.
I agree, as long as you can be sure it's regression and not correlation you are evaluating, of course - and for each country, the inputs to the best outcome might be completely different from country to country. I do admit, that I'm assuming a rather free trade, free will POV in my blanket statement that isn't necessarily compatible with ALL country's economic systems. So you make a good point.
but this type of discussion is usually based on world-wide charity, not domestic outcomes, so it's not so clear cut as to the intentions for demanding those $$$ - even the domestic charitable agenda isn't that clear either
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