warpedskydiver 0 #1 June 18, 2006 Sheehan Supports U.S. Deserters in Canada Anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan, left, hugs an unidentified U.S. military deserter, at the... Sheehan Supports U.S. Deserters in Canada Sunday, June 18, 2006 4:37 AM EDT The Associated Press By CAROLYN THOMPSON FORT ERIE, Ontario (AP) — A group of American military deserters publicly embraced their new lives in Canada on Saturday with the support of "peace mom" Cindy Sheehan, who said she wished the son she lost in Iraq was among them. "I begged him not to go to Iraq," the anti-war activist said through tears at a rally in support of the former soldiers, who wore black T-shirts emblazoned with "AWOL." "And I wish he was standing up here with these people because he didn't want to go." Sheehan was making her second visit to Canada in support of sanctuary for those fleeing the U.S. military. The Canadian government has so far denied political asylum to U.S. soldiers who have sought it but appeals are pending. "They're trying to deport me," said Darrell Anderson of Lexington, Ky., who arrived in Canada by way of Niagara Falls in January 2005. He spent seven months in Iraq with the Army's 1st Armored Division and received a purple heart following a roadside bomb attack before deciding during a leave he would not go back. "When I was in Iraq, we were killing innocent people for oil. It was obvious they didn't want us there," said Anderson, 24, who is petitioning to remain in Canada. The gathering at a park in the town of Fort Erie, across the border from Buffalo, N.Y., was organized by peace groups on both sides of the border. About 20 former U.S. soldiers, referred to as war resisters, have applied for refugee status in Canada. Organizers estimated there may be as many as 200 soldiers in the country who have not yet sought formal protection. "They say we're traitors, we're deserters," said former Marine Chris Magaoay, 20, of the Hawaiian island of Maui. "No, I'm a Marine and I stand up for what I believe in, and I believe the Constitution of the United States of America is being pushed aside as a scrap piece of paper." The soldiers thanked Canadians for their hospitality and were cheered by about 100 in an audience that included Iraq veterans opposed to the war and Vietnam-era resisters who sought refuge in Canada decades earlier. "I know that their choice has been difficult but I know that they made the right choice," said Bruce Beyer, who spent five years in Canada as a draft resister during Vietnam. "I know that they miss their family and their friends that they're cut off from," Beyer said. "But I know that you Canadians have stepped up and stood behind them and I thank you from the bottom of my heart." Sheehan, who energized the anti-war movement last summer with her monthlong protest outside President Bush's Texas ranch, said she has spent time with many of the resisters. "They're moral human beings who don't want to go to Iraq and kill innocent people to line the pockets of George Bush and the war machine," she said. Quote Americans must realize that there are agents* operating in this Country attempting to undermine our Country and it's leadership through our democratic principles in an effort to achieve a foreign country's goal. A prime example of such a person during the Vietnam War was Jane Fonda, an admitted Socialist, who blatantly supported North Vietnam. * Agent - Any person who works to obtain the goals of another nation either for money or for their own political beliefs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kenneth21441 0 #2 June 18, 2006 I need to total disagree with what Sheehan is doing. Her son died and he signed up for service so did thousands of us and some did not in the past. But in this all volunteer military we all make that choice and anyone in the military that goes off to desert is a scum bag that should take a nice long visit to Kanasas. I served my country and those that had decided to join then decide to spend the rest of there time is another place is worthless. This does not get into the fact that Sheehan weither is is correct or not should just shut up and deal with the fact that her son signed up and was not forced but to be lated to her that would be force.Kenneth Potter FAA Senior Parachute Rigger Tactical Delivery Instructor (Jeddah, KSA) FFL Gunsmith Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #3 June 19, 2006 Remember now that she is willing to try and persuade others to desert as well. That would be considered giving aid and comfort to the enemy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #4 June 19, 2006 She also supports terrorist leader Zarqawi: "Peace Mom" Cindy Sheehan said Friday that she's troubled by the death of al-Qaida's top operational terrorist, Abu Musab al Zarqawi. "I suspect it's gong to make the insurgency in Iraq worse." "The killing and the cycle of violence has to stop," Sheehan insisted.She's also called Bush, Blair and Howard (Australia) "illegal combatants" who demand the same treatment as the Guantanamo prisoners. Oh, and cavorting with the communists in Europe too. Yep, she's so nuts, even many liberals don't want to be seen with her. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #5 June 19, 2006 QuoteShe also supports terrorist leader Zarqawi: "Peace Mom" Cindy Sheehan said Friday that she's troubled by the death of al-Qaida's top operational terrorist, Abu Musab al Zarqawi. "I suspect it's gong to make the insurgency in Iraq worse." "The killing and the cycle of violence has to stop," Sheehan insisted.She's also called Bush, Blair and Howard (Australia) "illegal combatants" who demand the same treatment as the Guantanamo prisoners. Oh, and cavorting with the communists in Europe too. Yep, she's so nuts, even many liberals don't want to be seen with her. Saying she's troubled that his death will lead to more bloodshed is HARDLY the same as supporting him. That's the kind of interpretation I expect from Ann Coulter.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #6 June 19, 2006 QuoteSheehan Supports U.S. Deserters in Canada That's a shocker... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #7 June 19, 2006 QuoteQuoteShe also supports terrorist leader Zarqawi: "Peace Mom" Cindy Sheehan said Friday that she's troubled by the death of al-Qaida's top operational terrorist, Abu Musab al Zarqawi. "I suspect it's gong to make the insurgency in Iraq worse." "The killing and the cycle of violence has to stop," Sheehan insisted.She's also called Bush, Blair and Howard (Australia) "illegal combatants" who demand the same treatment as the Guantanamo prisoners. Oh, and cavorting with the communists in Europe too. Yep, she's so nuts, even many liberals don't want to be seen with her. Saying she's troubled that his death will lead to more bloodshed is HARDLY the same as supporting him. That's the kind of interpretation I expect from Ann Coulter. Sheehan is a mother who is having trouble grieving the loss of her son. Instead of encouraging her to seek the help she needs to deal with it, she is being used as a Trojan Horse by the anti-war Left because it allows them to paint anyone who criticizes her as an cruel, evil warmonger. I think it's pathetic she is being used this way and I hope the Press will remove the spotlight and leave her alone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #8 June 19, 2006 QuoteSheehan is a mother who is having trouble grieving the loss of her son. Instead of encouraging her to seek the help she needs to deal with it, she is being used as a Trojan Horse by the anti-war Left because it allows them to paint anyone who criticizes her as an cruel, evil warmonger. I think it's pathetic she is being used this way and I hope the Press will remove the spotlight and leave her alone. this might have been true at first, but she's a willing shill now - I hope she makes a load of cash when she sells her book and movie rights ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Channman 2 #9 June 19, 2006 > I hope she makes a load of cash when she sells her book and movie rights She may even be willing to use some of the load of cash to visit said deserters she supports in US prisons. Maybe buy a few of them pink under wear and a balony sandwitch. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #10 June 19, 2006 QuoteSaying she's troubled that his death will lead to more bloodshed is HARDLY the same as supporting him. Well, using her logic, it makes more sense to leave murdering terrorist leaders alone so that they are free to continue committing daily mass murders of innocents. Do you agree with that logic? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,119 #11 June 19, 2006 > I hope the Press will remove the spotlight and leave her alone. ?? It's the right wing who is keeping her in the spotlight. Consider who posts outraged replies to any story about her, and keeps the threads here going. If the right wing pundits would drop their obsession over her, she'd be relegated to stories at the bottom of page 5. Consider what got her so much attention in Texas - the counter-protests. The guy who drove his car over her protest site. The people who publically labeled her a media whore, a stink hippie and a grief pimp. That's what the media keeps talking about - the controversy. I hope the right wing will stop with their obsession over her. Haven't they heard enough about her already? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #12 June 19, 2006 QuoteQuoteSaying she's troubled that his death will lead to more bloodshed is HARDLY the same as supporting him. Well, using her logic, it makes more sense to leave murdering terrorist leaders alone so that they are free to continue committing daily mass murders of innocents. Do you agree with that logic? Yes. It's a double-edged sword to create a martyr. Che Guevara, for instance, or Jesus. Maybe OBL is better wherever he is now than dead, too. Hard to say.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #13 June 19, 2006 Quote> I hope the Press will remove the spotlight and leave her alone. ?? It's the right wing who is keeping her in the spotlight. Consider who posts outraged replies to any story about her, and keeps the threads here going. If the right wing pundits would drop their obsession over her, she'd be relegated to stories at the bottom of page 5. Consider what got her so much attention in Texas - the counter-protests. The guy who drove his car over her protest site. The people who publically labeled her a media whore, a stink hippie and a grief pimp. That's what the media keeps talking about - the controversy. I hope the right wing will stop with their obsession over her. Haven't they heard enough about her already? Thanks for the info. I apparently was under the mistaken impression that the story was an AP story that went out to newspapers across the world. Little did I know it was the right wing here on DZ.Com who were guilty of continuing her saga. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #14 June 20, 2006 QuoteQuoteWell, using her logic, it makes more sense to leave murdering terrorist leaders alone so that they are free to continue committing daily mass murders of innocents. Do you agree with that logic? Yes. It's a double-edged sword to create a martyr. Che Guevara, for instance, or Jesus. Maybe OBL is better wherever he is now than dead, too. Hard to say. Well if you can't answer that question with a firm and resounding "NO!", then your logical and critical thinking skills are more screwed-up than I imagined. It kind of makes you sound like a terrorist sympathizer... Maybe we should empty the death row prison cells and just let all the murderers back out on the streets. Heck, we wouldn't want to turn them into martyrs by removing their ability to kill more people. We should be happy to accept the fact that they'll kill "some" people, and if we're lucky, it won't be "too many". Woohoo! It's the strategy of the "cut and run" weenies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,119 #15 June 20, 2006 >then your logical and critical thinking skills are more screwed-up than >I imagined. It kind of makes you sound like a terrorist sympathizer... Your one warning. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #16 June 21, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteWell, using her logic, it makes more sense to leave murdering terrorist leaders alone so that they are free to continue committing daily mass murders of innocents. Do you agree with that logic? Yes. It's a double-edged sword to create a martyr. Che Guevara, for instance, or Jesus. Maybe OBL is better wherever he is now than dead, too. Hard to say. Well if you can't answer that question with a firm and resounding "NO!", then your logical and critical thinking skills are more screwed-up than I imagined. It kind of makes you sound like a terrorist sympathizer... Maybe we should empty the death row prison cells and just let all the murderers back out on the streets. Heck, we wouldn't want to turn them into martyrs by removing their ability to kill more people. We should be happy to accept the fact that they'll kill "some" people, and if we're lucky, it won't be "too many". Woohoo! It's the strategy of the "cut and run" weenies. Unlike some, I do not claim to have ALL the answers. (Just 99.9% of them). I certainly do not think your average convicted murderer is in danger of becoming a martyr in the same way as A-Z or OBL could or Che Guevara did. First you have to have a cause. Therefore I declare your comments to be ill considered and irrelevant. ... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. 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kenneth21441 0 #2 June 18, 2006 I need to total disagree with what Sheehan is doing. Her son died and he signed up for service so did thousands of us and some did not in the past. But in this all volunteer military we all make that choice and anyone in the military that goes off to desert is a scum bag that should take a nice long visit to Kanasas. I served my country and those that had decided to join then decide to spend the rest of there time is another place is worthless. This does not get into the fact that Sheehan weither is is correct or not should just shut up and deal with the fact that her son signed up and was not forced but to be lated to her that would be force.Kenneth Potter FAA Senior Parachute Rigger Tactical Delivery Instructor (Jeddah, KSA) FFL Gunsmith Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #3 June 19, 2006 Remember now that she is willing to try and persuade others to desert as well. That would be considered giving aid and comfort to the enemy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #4 June 19, 2006 She also supports terrorist leader Zarqawi: "Peace Mom" Cindy Sheehan said Friday that she's troubled by the death of al-Qaida's top operational terrorist, Abu Musab al Zarqawi. "I suspect it's gong to make the insurgency in Iraq worse." "The killing and the cycle of violence has to stop," Sheehan insisted.She's also called Bush, Blair and Howard (Australia) "illegal combatants" who demand the same treatment as the Guantanamo prisoners. Oh, and cavorting with the communists in Europe too. Yep, she's so nuts, even many liberals don't want to be seen with her. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #5 June 19, 2006 QuoteShe also supports terrorist leader Zarqawi: "Peace Mom" Cindy Sheehan said Friday that she's troubled by the death of al-Qaida's top operational terrorist, Abu Musab al Zarqawi. "I suspect it's gong to make the insurgency in Iraq worse." "The killing and the cycle of violence has to stop," Sheehan insisted.She's also called Bush, Blair and Howard (Australia) "illegal combatants" who demand the same treatment as the Guantanamo prisoners. Oh, and cavorting with the communists in Europe too. Yep, she's so nuts, even many liberals don't want to be seen with her. Saying she's troubled that his death will lead to more bloodshed is HARDLY the same as supporting him. That's the kind of interpretation I expect from Ann Coulter.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #6 June 19, 2006 QuoteSheehan Supports U.S. Deserters in Canada That's a shocker... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #7 June 19, 2006 QuoteQuoteShe also supports terrorist leader Zarqawi: "Peace Mom" Cindy Sheehan said Friday that she's troubled by the death of al-Qaida's top operational terrorist, Abu Musab al Zarqawi. "I suspect it's gong to make the insurgency in Iraq worse." "The killing and the cycle of violence has to stop," Sheehan insisted.She's also called Bush, Blair and Howard (Australia) "illegal combatants" who demand the same treatment as the Guantanamo prisoners. Oh, and cavorting with the communists in Europe too. Yep, she's so nuts, even many liberals don't want to be seen with her. Saying she's troubled that his death will lead to more bloodshed is HARDLY the same as supporting him. That's the kind of interpretation I expect from Ann Coulter. Sheehan is a mother who is having trouble grieving the loss of her son. Instead of encouraging her to seek the help she needs to deal with it, she is being used as a Trojan Horse by the anti-war Left because it allows them to paint anyone who criticizes her as an cruel, evil warmonger. I think it's pathetic she is being used this way and I hope the Press will remove the spotlight and leave her alone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #8 June 19, 2006 QuoteSheehan is a mother who is having trouble grieving the loss of her son. Instead of encouraging her to seek the help she needs to deal with it, she is being used as a Trojan Horse by the anti-war Left because it allows them to paint anyone who criticizes her as an cruel, evil warmonger. I think it's pathetic she is being used this way and I hope the Press will remove the spotlight and leave her alone. this might have been true at first, but she's a willing shill now - I hope she makes a load of cash when she sells her book and movie rights ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #9 June 19, 2006 > I hope she makes a load of cash when she sells her book and movie rights She may even be willing to use some of the load of cash to visit said deserters she supports in US prisons. Maybe buy a few of them pink under wear and a balony sandwitch. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #10 June 19, 2006 QuoteSaying she's troubled that his death will lead to more bloodshed is HARDLY the same as supporting him. Well, using her logic, it makes more sense to leave murdering terrorist leaders alone so that they are free to continue committing daily mass murders of innocents. Do you agree with that logic? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,119 #11 June 19, 2006 > I hope the Press will remove the spotlight and leave her alone. ?? It's the right wing who is keeping her in the spotlight. Consider who posts outraged replies to any story about her, and keeps the threads here going. If the right wing pundits would drop their obsession over her, she'd be relegated to stories at the bottom of page 5. Consider what got her so much attention in Texas - the counter-protests. The guy who drove his car over her protest site. The people who publically labeled her a media whore, a stink hippie and a grief pimp. That's what the media keeps talking about - the controversy. I hope the right wing will stop with their obsession over her. Haven't they heard enough about her already? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #12 June 19, 2006 QuoteQuoteSaying she's troubled that his death will lead to more bloodshed is HARDLY the same as supporting him. Well, using her logic, it makes more sense to leave murdering terrorist leaders alone so that they are free to continue committing daily mass murders of innocents. Do you agree with that logic? Yes. It's a double-edged sword to create a martyr. Che Guevara, for instance, or Jesus. Maybe OBL is better wherever he is now than dead, too. Hard to say.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #13 June 19, 2006 Quote> I hope the Press will remove the spotlight and leave her alone. ?? It's the right wing who is keeping her in the spotlight. Consider who posts outraged replies to any story about her, and keeps the threads here going. If the right wing pundits would drop their obsession over her, she'd be relegated to stories at the bottom of page 5. Consider what got her so much attention in Texas - the counter-protests. The guy who drove his car over her protest site. The people who publically labeled her a media whore, a stink hippie and a grief pimp. That's what the media keeps talking about - the controversy. I hope the right wing will stop with their obsession over her. Haven't they heard enough about her already? Thanks for the info. I apparently was under the mistaken impression that the story was an AP story that went out to newspapers across the world. Little did I know it was the right wing here on DZ.Com who were guilty of continuing her saga. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #14 June 20, 2006 QuoteQuoteWell, using her logic, it makes more sense to leave murdering terrorist leaders alone so that they are free to continue committing daily mass murders of innocents. Do you agree with that logic? Yes. It's a double-edged sword to create a martyr. Che Guevara, for instance, or Jesus. Maybe OBL is better wherever he is now than dead, too. Hard to say. Well if you can't answer that question with a firm and resounding "NO!", then your logical and critical thinking skills are more screwed-up than I imagined. It kind of makes you sound like a terrorist sympathizer... Maybe we should empty the death row prison cells and just let all the murderers back out on the streets. Heck, we wouldn't want to turn them into martyrs by removing their ability to kill more people. We should be happy to accept the fact that they'll kill "some" people, and if we're lucky, it won't be "too many". Woohoo! It's the strategy of the "cut and run" weenies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,119 #15 June 20, 2006 >then your logical and critical thinking skills are more screwed-up than >I imagined. It kind of makes you sound like a terrorist sympathizer... Your one warning. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #16 June 21, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteWell, using her logic, it makes more sense to leave murdering terrorist leaders alone so that they are free to continue committing daily mass murders of innocents. Do you agree with that logic? Yes. It's a double-edged sword to create a martyr. Che Guevara, for instance, or Jesus. Maybe OBL is better wherever he is now than dead, too. Hard to say. Well if you can't answer that question with a firm and resounding "NO!", then your logical and critical thinking skills are more screwed-up than I imagined. It kind of makes you sound like a terrorist sympathizer... Maybe we should empty the death row prison cells and just let all the murderers back out on the streets. Heck, we wouldn't want to turn them into martyrs by removing their ability to kill more people. We should be happy to accept the fact that they'll kill "some" people, and if we're lucky, it won't be "too many". Woohoo! It's the strategy of the "cut and run" weenies. Unlike some, I do not claim to have ALL the answers. (Just 99.9% of them). I certainly do not think your average convicted murderer is in danger of becoming a martyr in the same way as A-Z or OBL could or Che Guevara did. First you have to have a cause. Therefore I declare your comments to be ill considered and irrelevant. ... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
