akarunway 1 #51 June 17, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteCops don't just kick-in doors... guns blazing! I think it should be more of a 'knock & kick'. As you knock, kick-in the door. As skydivers, we know, 20-seconds can be a long time. In that 20-seconds, a lot of dope can be flushed as well as other evidence destroyed. Personally, I think, our laws should lean more in favor of the cops. Chuck Many instances of cops hitting the WRONG house. If I'm sitting there cleaning the Glock or it's next to me and someone kicks in the door w/ a NO KNOCK people are gonna get killed. Maybe me, maybe them. It's just not right. Fuck some drugs. Are they worth peoples lives? __________________________________ Yes, it has happened, where the wrong house was raided. Law enforcement goes on the information given to them. Unfortunately, mistakes are made. Those times are hard on the cops too. They don't like it either. I'm not advocating a 'No Knock', either. We can 'if' and 'suppose', all day. I just get tired of the crime going on around me. I've been both in law enforcement as well as a crime victim. I get tired of seeing criminals 'walk' because our prisons are too full. Also, I'm not saying that cops can blatantly kick-in doors with no warning. I'm just saying that the scales have been tipped in favor of the criminal too long. It's not a perfect world and it never will be. ChuckPart of the problem lies in the prisons are full of NON-VIOLENT drug offenders. More rehab, supervision and put the HARDCORE motherfuckers in there. Sometimes I think the cops are afraid to go after THEM. And again. It's the GOD ALMIGHTY DOLLAR at work also. Central Fl. Orlando area.> Criminal Justice is the 2nd biggest money maker after tourismI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #52 June 17, 2006 QuoteQuote> Why do they need a SWAT Team armed with AK47's to serve a warrant on someone who failed to show up... Reminds me of a little boy being held by his uncle, when SWAT came a banging on the door with MP5s and sticking it in there face so the boy could be returned to his Communist Roots. Or a certain compound in Waco.Or Ruby RidgeI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #53 June 17, 2006 QuoteQuoteDictionary of Cultural Literacy(3rd ed.): POLICE STATE-any nation who's rulers use the police or the military to maintain order. __________________________________ O.K. Is this where you feel this country is... a 'police state'? Chuck I do. Fri. afternoon (today). Coming home from work. Fucking police checkpoint in rush hr. traffic in a decent city on a main thurofare. MAY WE SEE YOUR PAPERS? Probable cause officer. safety checkpoint. Yeah right. Kiss my ass. 15 mins. of my fuckin time so they can get some revenueI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #54 June 17, 2006 QuoteFor one thing, the cops don't just kick-in doors because they 'think' you 'might' be doing something wrong. They know as well as you and I about our constitutional rights. With 'evidence' that you are doing something wrong, they get a warrant. To get a warrant, the cops have to have damned good proof. Depending on the offense, an attempt to serve the warrant 'peacefully' is tried. If, that doesn't work... down goes the front door. All this 'knee-jerk' response to things set down by our Supreme Court gets a bit out of hand. It's a lot like 'chicken little'. We need to step back research it all and then go from there. Just imagine thise country without any cops at all... none! Wouldn't that be great?Jesse James baby ChuckI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #55 June 17, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteDictionary of Cultural Literacy(3rd ed.): POLICE STATE-any nation who's rulers use the police or the military to maintain order. __________________________________ O.K. Is this where you feel this country is... a 'police state'? Chuck Illinois, and I know several cops that would say the same. ________________________________________ Illinois? I'm not saying a word! Chuck Don't knock Illinois! The Top Quark was discovered here. ______________________________________ Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #56 June 17, 2006 QuoteQuoteFor one thing, the cops don't just kick-in doors because they 'think' you 'might' be doing something wrong. They know as well as you and I about our constitutional rights. With 'evidence' that you are doing something wrong, they get a warrant. To get a warrant, the cops have to have damned good proof. Depending on the offense, an attempt to serve the warrant 'peacefully' is tried. If, that doesn't work... down goes the front door. All this 'knee-jerk' response to things set down by our Supreme Court gets a bit out of hand. It's a lot like 'chicken little'. We need to step back research it all and then go from there. Just imagine thise country without any cops at all... none! Wouldn't that be great?Jesse James baby Chuck ____________________________________ You read, what happened to him... didn't you? Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #57 June 17, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote> Why do they need a SWAT Team armed with AK47's to serve a warrant on someone who failed to show up... Reminds me of a little boy being held by his uncle, when SWAT came a banging on the door with MP5s and sticking it in there face so the boy could be returned to his Communist Roots. Or a certain compound in Waco.Or Ruby Ridge ______________________________________ Or... Wounded Knee! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #58 June 17, 2006 QuoteDictionary of Cultural Literacy(3rd ed.): POLICE STATE-any nation who's rulers use the police or the military to maintain order. How can you trust a dictionary that misuses the word "who's", when clearly it should have used "whose"? That definition lacks as well. I'd find a new dictionary.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #59 June 18, 2006 QuoteQuoteDictionary of Cultural Literacy(3rd ed.): POLICE STATE-any nation who's rulers use the police or the military to maintain order. How can you trust a dictionary that misuses the word "who's", when clearly it should have used "whose"? That definition lacks as well. I'd find a new dictionary. Wouldn't ebonics be considered cultural literacy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #60 June 18, 2006 QuoteWouldn't ebonics be considered cultural literacy? I think you can find more info on that in the "I Don't Want People to Take Me Seriously" section of your local bookstore.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #61 June 18, 2006 Quotekicking in a door without notice can get several people killed quickly. Not as likely though. The element of surprise gives those conducting the raid a 2-3 second "cushion" to identify a possible threat and act accordingly. Those that are on the wrong end of such a raid lose 2-3 seconds just to identify what's going on, even if they have a .45 on the chairside table, or AK47 leaning on the wall next to them. By the time they begin reaching for it, someone will already have the "red dot" on them, by the time they're touching the weapon, they're down.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,594 #62 June 18, 2006 QuoteThose that are on the wrong end of such a raid lose 2-3 seconds just to identify what's going on, even if they have a .45 on the chairside table, or AK47 leaning on the wall next to them. By the time they begin reaching for it, someone will already have the "red dot" on them, by the time they're touching the weapon, they're down. It's also the safety of people being raided (sometimes mistakenly, as has been pointed out) that is being called into question, not just the safety of the cops conducting the raid. Now please correct me if I'm wrong, but as I understand your post doesn't it show how this ruling could lead to more civilians being shot by cops in unnanounced raids?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #63 June 19, 2006 QuoteNow please correct me if I'm wrong, but as I understand your post doesn't it show how this ruling could lead to more civilians being shot by cops in unnanounced raids? I never said it would. So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,594 #64 June 19, 2006 QuoteQuoteNow please correct me if I'm wrong, but as I understand your post doesn't it show how this ruling could lead to more civilians being shot by cops in unnanounced raids? I never said it would. Sorry, but 'would' what, and what's 'it'? C'mon, grammar's your thing, give me a sentance I can make sense of. I am interested in your opinion.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #65 June 19, 2006 QuoteIf you're not a criminal then you have nothing to worry about. Yeah? I've had a psychopath copy telling me that BS while he was trying to get me to sign a consent for search of my car. The fact is that I have nothing to do with illegal drugs but I didn't want to give that idiot the opportunity to plant drugs. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
