warpedskydiver 0 #101 June 16, 2006 QuoteQuoteI wonder why it was relatively quiet in the Middle East during Clinton's term in office. Tell that to the Sailors in the USS Cole That was only one of many attacks during that time...and most all went unanswered Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #102 June 16, 2006 QuoteQuoteI wonder why it was relatively quiet in the Middle East during Clinton's term in office. Tell that to the Sailors in the USS Cole Or the people inside the WTC after the first bombing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #103 June 16, 2006 reality is hard to face for some of these guys, eh? steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkR 0 #104 June 16, 2006 QuoteQuoteI wonder why it was relatively quiet in the Middle East during Clinton's term in office. Tell that to the Sailors in the USS Cole I said relatively...»Somewhere between the lies and truths borderlines get shady. Somewhere between the yesses and nos you can find the maybe.« Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #105 June 16, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteI wonder why it was relatively quiet in the Middle East during Clinton's term in office. Tell that to the Sailors in the USS Cole I said relatively... 'kay - tell that to the relatives of the Sailors from the USS Cole if the terrorist just wouldn't have done that.... only because the americans .... but if the UN hadn't... but that's because the israelis... but only because of the war off... yeah, but that was started by.... .etc It all started back when the Cat people from the Tigris river moved across to the farm lands of the Hamster-people near the Euphrates and set up settlements. Those damn Cat people oppressed the hamster-people for 40 years and it's caused every issue since. I think restitutions from the Cat people to the Hamster people should happen right now. Strangely enough - every human on the earth is now 40% cat person, 40% hamster descent, 20% other stuff. So we each owe ourselves $73,141,200.17 counting interest and lost opportunities compounded over 1352 generations....... ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #106 June 16, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteI wonder why it was relatively quiet in the Middle East during Clinton's term in office. Tell that to the Sailors in the USS Cole I said relatively... USS Cole, Embassy bombings, first World Trade Center attack, etc. YOU may consider that relative and "normal" Most Americans don't! You kick sand in my face, I'm not going to sit around and discuss who started the fight. I'm going to kick your butt. But what do you expect. I'm one of the "ugly americans" steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #107 June 16, 2006 QuoteI'm one of the "ugly americans" Try dressing up in a nice suit with some good shoes - shave off clean and trim that 'thing' on your chin. You'll feel better about yourself and likely give off a more attractive vibe. That, or just stand next to "really" ugly people. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #108 June 16, 2006 How's this from eleven years ago when I was 40 and pastored a large church in Seattle? steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #109 June 16, 2006 QuoteI stated my issue based on my experience there as a US soldier helping them. It appears you have given more weight to your opinion as a tourist on a ski trip. Yeah... Six weeks of interacting with random ordinary Iranians, talking to them & living with them. Moving through the country. As opposed to time spent in a military base training soldiers of a dictatorial regime who were selected with at least an eye on their "political reliability". Which experience is more likely to produce an unbiased view? Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #110 June 16, 2006 We trained Baloch tribesmen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baloch Hardly hand picked soldiers of the Shah. They were more like the MONTAGNARDS from Viet Nam. Miliatry base?? Yeah, right. ROFLMAO! Oh, I forget , you're serious! You're right the dude's interactions with Iranians during his ski vacations must carry more weight. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #111 June 16, 2006 QuoteHow's this from eleven years ago when I was 40 and pastored a large church in Seattle? it's like acid drops in my eyes. better to post pictures of our women. though my wife notes a Christopher Reeve thing going on, I don't see it. I'm still working on my clothing choices as you can see. I'm also an ugly american ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #112 June 16, 2006 Thanks for the dr. pepper on my keyboard. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #113 June 20, 2006 Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- american people are far less safe now after all the iraq bullshit. there is some serious hatred toward your country! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yeah, they all loved us before then. We were all warm and fuzzy. Gimme a break! Thats what i love about americans, the whole world is supposed to love the american dream and bow down to the stars and stripes. these people probably didn't give a flying fuck about america before thier lives were ruined, now they despise the fact that you can live freely while their lives are in ruins. get my point sherlock? hatred is not built in it is formed by some sort of violence! and in this case unessecary violence in the name of greed!"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkR 0 #114 June 20, 2006 QuoteYou kick sand in my face, I'm not going to sit around and discuss who started the fight. I'm going to kick your butt. Right. So it just ends with not just you having sand in your face but both of you losing a few teeth, having a few broken bones and ribs, shedding a lot of blood... Besides, this isn't a very christian attitude. I remember reading something about "an eye for an eye" being bad and if my memory serves me right, there was something about "offering the other cheek" too. »Somewhere between the lies and truths borderlines get shady. Somewhere between the yesses and nos you can find the maybe.« Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #115 June 20, 2006 QuoteQuoteYou kick sand in my face, I'm not going to sit around and discuss who started the fight. I'm going to kick your butt. Right. So it just ends with not just you having sand in your face but both of you losing a few teeth, having a few broken bones and ribs, shedding a lot of blood... So as a country it would be better to be bullied and covered with sand? I don't think so. I was told by my parents, "Never start a fight, but you can defend yourself" Quote Besides, this isn't a very christian attitude. I remember reading something about "an eye for an eye" being bad and if my memory serves me right, there was something about "offering the other cheek" too. The Christian principle of peace and turn the other cheek is a great one, but in my opinion it is personal. It doesn't apply to government per say. The role of government is to punish wrong doers and seek justice. (Romans 13) Therefore, the government can't always seek peace and turn the other cheek or there would be chaos. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #116 June 20, 2006 Thats what i love about americans, the whole world is supposed to love the american dream and bow down to the stars and stripes. these people probably didn't give a flying fuck about america before thier lives were ruined, now they despise the fact that you can live freely while their lives are in ruins. get my point sherlock? hatred is not built in it is formed by some sort of violence! and in this case unessecary violence in the name of greed. Quote When did the USA start the violence against radical Muslims? Are you telling me we threw the first punch? If so, when was that? BTW, as I said in my original post in this thread. I worry about what the world thinks of the USA about as much as the average Frencman worries about what I think of him .... nada! steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,108 #117 June 20, 2006 QuoteThats what i love about americans, the whole world is supposed to love the american dream and bow down to the stars and stripes. these people probably didn't give a flying fuck about america before thier lives were ruined, now they despise the fact that you can live freely while their lives are in ruins. get my point sherlock? hatred is not built in it is formed by some sort of violence! and in this case unessecary violence in the name of greed. Quote When did the USA start the violence against radical Muslims? Are you telling me we threw the first punch? If so, when was that? ! Read a little history from, say, 1948 or 1953.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites steveorino 7 #118 June 20, 2006 Since you know -- save me some time. Enlighten me, please. edited to add: Are you speaking of our support of Israel??? With your reasoning, any country we gave aid to would make us the provocator of any violence they deem to do to us. In other words, we asked for the surprise attack on Pearl Harbor because we supported the blockade of oil to the Axis powers. ?????????????????????????????????? steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites idrankwhat 0 #119 June 20, 2006 QuoteQuoteYou kick sand in my face, I'm not going to sit around and discuss who started the fight. I'm going to kick your butt. Right. So it just ends with not just you having sand in your face but both of you losing a few teeth, having a few broken bones and ribs, shedding a lot of blood... Besides, this isn't a very christian attitude. I remember reading something about "an eye for an eye" being bad and if my memory serves me right, there was something about "offering the other cheek" too. Didn't you get the memo? There's a new Jesus in town! http://www.cafepress.com/buy/rifle+jesus/-/pv_design_details/pg_1/id_11811344/opt_/fpt_/c_/hlv_t Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites idrankwhat 0 #120 June 20, 2006 Quote When did the USA start the violence against radical Muslims? Are you telling me we threw the first punch? If so, when was that? BTW, as I said in my original post in this thread. I worry about what the world thinks of the USA about as much as the average Frencman worries about what I think of him .... nada! I'm not sure, but I think you answered your first question in your second statement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,108 #121 June 20, 2006 QuoteSince you know -- save me some time. Enlighten me, please. ?????????????????????????????????? www.globalpolicy.org/empire/history/2000/0416ciairan.htm Now, is that clear interference in an Islamic country's affairs? And my, how it has come back to bite us! The US most certainly does not have clean hands.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #122 June 20, 2006 Quote Quote When did the USA start the violence against radical Muslims? Are you telling me we threw the first punch? If so, when was that? BTW, as I said in my original post in this thread. I worry about what the world thinks of the USA about as much as the average Frencman worries about what I think of him .... nada! I'm not sure, but I think you answered your first question in your second statement. So you are saying the US threw the first punch and started violence against Muslims because we didn't care what they thought about us? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mikkey 0 #123 June 20, 2006 QuoteQuote Quote When did the USA start the violence against radical Muslims? Are you telling me we threw the first punch? If so, when was that? BTW, as I said in my original post in this thread. I worry about what the world thinks of the USA about as much as the average Frencman worries about what I think of him .... nada! I'm not sure, but I think you answered your first question in your second statement. So you are saying the US threw the first punch and started violence against Muslims because we didn't care what they thought about us? Things are just not black and white. Would be nice if people would understand this.--------------------------------------------------------- When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,078 #124 June 20, 2006 >So as a country it would be better to be bullied and covered with > sand? I don't think so. I was told by my parents, "Never start a > fight, but you can defend yourself" I got taught a bit differently, I guess. Choose your battles wisely. If the end result of doing nothing is sand in your face, and the end result of a fight could be a broken jaw (or neck) - deal with the sand in your face and walk away. Ego is a poor reason for violence. Old story I learned from my karate teacher: A young karate student gets on a subway. There's a man on the train yelling and screaming. He's pushing people, knocking packages out of their hands, definitely threatening. "Oh boy!" the kid thinks. "I'm a karate expert, and I can probably take this guy out before he hurts anyone!" The man gets to an old man and knocks him down. The car is crowded; the kid starts pushing his way towards the old man. The old man gets up and asks the angry guy a question. The guy knocks him down again. He gets up and asks him the same question. Finally the guy says "Because my wife just left me, you asshole!" Then he sits down, puts his head down and starts crying. The kid gets to the old man - and discovers that it's the black belt that taught _him_ karate years ago. That old man could have broken that guy in half with one hand! Why didn't he? And the answer to that question is today's lesson. (so the story went.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #125 June 20, 2006 That story goes both ways, I have stopped violence, as well as having minded my own business when the concerns for others life and limb weren't warranted. An old friend of mine who has passed on told me about a shooting that occurred. " The shooter came in looking for the guys who raped his daughter, then opened fire on the entire table where the perp was seated" I asked what did you do? " I got under my table and then remembered that my beer was still on the table, so I reached up and got it before it got warm" Bill B. was one of the toughest men anyone could ever meet. He taught alot of us what it was to be a soldier, in every sense of the word. He was a prime example of how fucked up ones life could be, and yet show us the value of never giving up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 5 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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kallend 2,108 #117 June 20, 2006 QuoteThats what i love about americans, the whole world is supposed to love the american dream and bow down to the stars and stripes. these people probably didn't give a flying fuck about america before thier lives were ruined, now they despise the fact that you can live freely while their lives are in ruins. get my point sherlock? hatred is not built in it is formed by some sort of violence! and in this case unessecary violence in the name of greed. Quote When did the USA start the violence against radical Muslims? Are you telling me we threw the first punch? If so, when was that? ! Read a little history from, say, 1948 or 1953.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites steveorino 7 #118 June 20, 2006 Since you know -- save me some time. Enlighten me, please. edited to add: Are you speaking of our support of Israel??? With your reasoning, any country we gave aid to would make us the provocator of any violence they deem to do to us. In other words, we asked for the surprise attack on Pearl Harbor because we supported the blockade of oil to the Axis powers. ?????????????????????????????????? steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites idrankwhat 0 #119 June 20, 2006 QuoteQuoteYou kick sand in my face, I'm not going to sit around and discuss who started the fight. I'm going to kick your butt. Right. So it just ends with not just you having sand in your face but both of you losing a few teeth, having a few broken bones and ribs, shedding a lot of blood... Besides, this isn't a very christian attitude. I remember reading something about "an eye for an eye" being bad and if my memory serves me right, there was something about "offering the other cheek" too. Didn't you get the memo? There's a new Jesus in town! http://www.cafepress.com/buy/rifle+jesus/-/pv_design_details/pg_1/id_11811344/opt_/fpt_/c_/hlv_t Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites idrankwhat 0 #120 June 20, 2006 Quote When did the USA start the violence against radical Muslims? Are you telling me we threw the first punch? If so, when was that? BTW, as I said in my original post in this thread. I worry about what the world thinks of the USA about as much as the average Frencman worries about what I think of him .... nada! I'm not sure, but I think you answered your first question in your second statement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,108 #121 June 20, 2006 QuoteSince you know -- save me some time. Enlighten me, please. ?????????????????????????????????? www.globalpolicy.org/empire/history/2000/0416ciairan.htm Now, is that clear interference in an Islamic country's affairs? And my, how it has come back to bite us! The US most certainly does not have clean hands.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #122 June 20, 2006 Quote Quote When did the USA start the violence against radical Muslims? Are you telling me we threw the first punch? If so, when was that? BTW, as I said in my original post in this thread. I worry about what the world thinks of the USA about as much as the average Frencman worries about what I think of him .... nada! I'm not sure, but I think you answered your first question in your second statement. So you are saying the US threw the first punch and started violence against Muslims because we didn't care what they thought about us? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mikkey 0 #123 June 20, 2006 QuoteQuote Quote When did the USA start the violence against radical Muslims? Are you telling me we threw the first punch? If so, when was that? BTW, as I said in my original post in this thread. I worry about what the world thinks of the USA about as much as the average Frencman worries about what I think of him .... nada! I'm not sure, but I think you answered your first question in your second statement. So you are saying the US threw the first punch and started violence against Muslims because we didn't care what they thought about us? Things are just not black and white. Would be nice if people would understand this.--------------------------------------------------------- When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,078 #124 June 20, 2006 >So as a country it would be better to be bullied and covered with > sand? I don't think so. I was told by my parents, "Never start a > fight, but you can defend yourself" I got taught a bit differently, I guess. Choose your battles wisely. If the end result of doing nothing is sand in your face, and the end result of a fight could be a broken jaw (or neck) - deal with the sand in your face and walk away. Ego is a poor reason for violence. Old story I learned from my karate teacher: A young karate student gets on a subway. There's a man on the train yelling and screaming. He's pushing people, knocking packages out of their hands, definitely threatening. "Oh boy!" the kid thinks. "I'm a karate expert, and I can probably take this guy out before he hurts anyone!" The man gets to an old man and knocks him down. The car is crowded; the kid starts pushing his way towards the old man. The old man gets up and asks the angry guy a question. The guy knocks him down again. He gets up and asks him the same question. Finally the guy says "Because my wife just left me, you asshole!" Then he sits down, puts his head down and starts crying. The kid gets to the old man - and discovers that it's the black belt that taught _him_ karate years ago. That old man could have broken that guy in half with one hand! Why didn't he? And the answer to that question is today's lesson. (so the story went.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #125 June 20, 2006 That story goes both ways, I have stopped violence, as well as having minded my own business when the concerns for others life and limb weren't warranted. An old friend of mine who has passed on told me about a shooting that occurred. " The shooter came in looking for the guys who raped his daughter, then opened fire on the entire table where the perp was seated" I asked what did you do? " I got under my table and then remembered that my beer was still on the table, so I reached up and got it before it got warm" Bill B. was one of the toughest men anyone could ever meet. He taught alot of us what it was to be a soldier, in every sense of the word. He was a prime example of how fucked up ones life could be, and yet show us the value of never giving up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 5 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
steveorino 7 #118 June 20, 2006 Since you know -- save me some time. Enlighten me, please. edited to add: Are you speaking of our support of Israel??? With your reasoning, any country we gave aid to would make us the provocator of any violence they deem to do to us. In other words, we asked for the surprise attack on Pearl Harbor because we supported the blockade of oil to the Axis powers. ?????????????????????????????????? steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #119 June 20, 2006 QuoteQuoteYou kick sand in my face, I'm not going to sit around and discuss who started the fight. I'm going to kick your butt. Right. So it just ends with not just you having sand in your face but both of you losing a few teeth, having a few broken bones and ribs, shedding a lot of blood... Besides, this isn't a very christian attitude. I remember reading something about "an eye for an eye" being bad and if my memory serves me right, there was something about "offering the other cheek" too. Didn't you get the memo? There's a new Jesus in town! http://www.cafepress.com/buy/rifle+jesus/-/pv_design_details/pg_1/id_11811344/opt_/fpt_/c_/hlv_t Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #120 June 20, 2006 Quote When did the USA start the violence against radical Muslims? Are you telling me we threw the first punch? If so, when was that? BTW, as I said in my original post in this thread. I worry about what the world thinks of the USA about as much as the average Frencman worries about what I think of him .... nada! I'm not sure, but I think you answered your first question in your second statement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,108 #121 June 20, 2006 QuoteSince you know -- save me some time. Enlighten me, please. ?????????????????????????????????? www.globalpolicy.org/empire/history/2000/0416ciairan.htm Now, is that clear interference in an Islamic country's affairs? And my, how it has come back to bite us! The US most certainly does not have clean hands.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #122 June 20, 2006 Quote Quote When did the USA start the violence against radical Muslims? Are you telling me we threw the first punch? If so, when was that? BTW, as I said in my original post in this thread. I worry about what the world thinks of the USA about as much as the average Frencman worries about what I think of him .... nada! I'm not sure, but I think you answered your first question in your second statement. So you are saying the US threw the first punch and started violence against Muslims because we didn't care what they thought about us? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikkey 0 #123 June 20, 2006 QuoteQuote Quote When did the USA start the violence against radical Muslims? Are you telling me we threw the first punch? If so, when was that? BTW, as I said in my original post in this thread. I worry about what the world thinks of the USA about as much as the average Frencman worries about what I think of him .... nada! I'm not sure, but I think you answered your first question in your second statement. So you are saying the US threw the first punch and started violence against Muslims because we didn't care what they thought about us? Things are just not black and white. Would be nice if people would understand this.--------------------------------------------------------- When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,078 #124 June 20, 2006 >So as a country it would be better to be bullied and covered with > sand? I don't think so. I was told by my parents, "Never start a > fight, but you can defend yourself" I got taught a bit differently, I guess. Choose your battles wisely. If the end result of doing nothing is sand in your face, and the end result of a fight could be a broken jaw (or neck) - deal with the sand in your face and walk away. Ego is a poor reason for violence. Old story I learned from my karate teacher: A young karate student gets on a subway. There's a man on the train yelling and screaming. He's pushing people, knocking packages out of their hands, definitely threatening. "Oh boy!" the kid thinks. "I'm a karate expert, and I can probably take this guy out before he hurts anyone!" The man gets to an old man and knocks him down. The car is crowded; the kid starts pushing his way towards the old man. The old man gets up and asks the angry guy a question. The guy knocks him down again. He gets up and asks him the same question. Finally the guy says "Because my wife just left me, you asshole!" Then he sits down, puts his head down and starts crying. The kid gets to the old man - and discovers that it's the black belt that taught _him_ karate years ago. That old man could have broken that guy in half with one hand! Why didn't he? And the answer to that question is today's lesson. (so the story went.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #125 June 20, 2006 That story goes both ways, I have stopped violence, as well as having minded my own business when the concerns for others life and limb weren't warranted. An old friend of mine who has passed on told me about a shooting that occurred. " The shooter came in looking for the guys who raped his daughter, then opened fire on the entire table where the perp was seated" I asked what did you do? " I got under my table and then remembered that my beer was still on the table, so I reached up and got it before it got warm" Bill B. was one of the toughest men anyone could ever meet. He taught alot of us what it was to be a soldier, in every sense of the word. He was a prime example of how fucked up ones life could be, and yet show us the value of never giving up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
