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[billvon 3,111]

>I don't believe that sitting around, singing Kumbaya, is going to get the job done.

Right. But using our heads instead of our fists WILL get the job done.

>At the end of the day, unless you personally convert to Islam, you
>are an infidel and deserve killing.

Uh, no. The terrorists we're talking about generally want to kill americans and whoever else is in the way. They don't ask their religion first. Heck, they kill a lot of muslims in Iraq now.

>There are reasonable Muslims, but they seem to stay intimidated
>by the radicals . . .

Uh, how many muslims do you know? The ones I know could care less what some crazy-ass terrorist thinks.

Are you intimidated by the radical Christians in the US who preach that God is killing US servicemen? Are you afraid to speak out against them?

>What other way do you propose, to stop these bloodthirsty
>nutcases, than military strength?

Use our military strength to defend america rather than topple secular (i.e. anti-islamic) regimes. Saddam Hussein was a SECULAR leader. That means he was opposed to theocratic rule.

Fighting a war in Iraq to stop terrorism is like shooting pawn-store owners in Chicago to stop looting in New Orleans. They simply have nothing to do with each other.

[miked10270 0]

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There was a strategy?

Of Course there was. The standard oily-sand-kicker strategy:

1. WE invade and make the bad man go away.

2. THEY are so grateful that they give us all their oil.

3. EVERYONE lives happily ever after.

This is proof that for every problem there is a solution which is simple, cheap, and wrong.

Mike.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

[Royd 0]

At the end of the day, unless you personally convert to Islam, you
>are an infidel and deserve killing.

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Uh, no. The terrorists we're talking about generally want to kill americans and whoever else is in the way. They don't ask their religion first. Heck, they kill a lot of muslims in Iraq now.

Those are the ones I'm speaking of.

>There are reasonable Muslims, but they seem to stay intimidated
>by the radicals . . .

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Uh, how many muslims do you know? The ones I know could care less what some crazy-ass terrorist thinks.

None, personally, but I can see what's happening. Why do you think Sadaam used the Sunnis in his military forces to wield a heavy hand upon the general population.

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Are you intimidated by the radical Christians in the US who preach that God is killing US servicemen? Are you afraid to speak out against them?

I don't know who you are speaking of, but they won't cut my head off.

>What other way do you propose, to stop these bloodthirsty
>nutcases, than military strength?

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Use our military strength to defend america rather than topple secular (i.e. anti-islamic) regimes. Saddam Hussein was a SECULAR leader. That means he was opposed to theocratic rule.

So, you are proposing an isolationist policy?

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Fighting a war in Iraq to stop terrorism is like shooting pawn-store owners in Chicago to stop looting in New Orleans. They simply have nothing to do with each other.

If I want to kill a bunch of cockroaches I'm not going to scatter a little bait here and there. I'm going to put a bunch in one place, and before long they will be communicating with each other, and I can nail them all in one spot, which, according to the press, is what's happening.



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[JohnRich 4]

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Problem is, John, no one knows how long the course is.

That is unknowable. Name any war in history in which the end date was known in advance. What, you can't do it? That's because it can't be known. No one can predict what twists and turns will evolve during war.

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Was the planning performed so badly or was it just made up on the fly? (certainly seems so).

See above. Just because the end date isn't known, does not mean that the planning was poor.

The end depends upon the achievement of certain goals, which Bush has clearly specified. And we're on the way towards meeting those goals.

However, it seems a lot of people here aren't willing to stick with the job long enough to accomplish them. They're ready to throw up their hands and surrender, without giving it the chance it deserves. Nation-building doesn't happen overnight. It takes time. Throw away this opportunity to bring the Middle East into the 20th century, and they might continue to live in 16th century ignorance and oppression for another 1,000 years.

It's like giving up on an RW skydive just because one person goes low right off the bat. Do you hang in there and continue to work to build the formation, or do you give up and track-off at 10,000 feet?

[Royd 0]

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However, it seems a lot of people here aren't willing to stick with the job long enough to accomplish them. They're ready to throw up their hands and surrender, without giving it the chance it deserves

I believe that they think, being French is very chic.

[JohnRich 4]

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>Do you want to "stay the course" on the Bush strategy . . . .

Hell no. 2500 US soldiers dead, and tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis dead. We need a better solution. It's been three years. We should stop wasting american lives on a solution that has failed.

Gosh, if we gave up in three years, we wouldn't have won WWII.
I'm glad we had Roosevelt as President then, instead of you.

We lose more people in auto accidents every month, than have been killed in Iraq in three years. Shall we surrender on auto safety and quit driving cars?

[JohnRich 4]

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I believe that they think, being French is very chic.

Except that with their attitude, the French wouldn't exist any more - they would now be part of Nazi Germany.

[billvon 3,111]

>Gosh, if we gave up in three years, we wouldn't have won WWII.

Right! We stayed in Viet Nam nine years after Tonkin. That worked out really well.

>I'm glad we had Roosevelt as President then, instead of you.

And I'm glad we didn't have you in charge during the 70's - or we'd have lost hundreds of thousands of US soldiers instead of 'only' 58,000.

>We lose more people in auto accidents every month, than have been
>killed in Iraq in three years. Shall we surrender on auto safety and quit
>driving cars?

This is a perfect example of why foreigners think we're arrogant. You claim that less than 3300 people have been killed in Iraq. The only way that number makes any sense is if you are only considering americans and ignoring the Iraqis killed. Just the innocent Iraqis killed alone number in the tens of thousands.

No wonder they think we don't give a shit about them.

Edited to add - I'll give you the benefit of the doubt there and assume you just mis-spoke, and that you meant to say "americans." Once revised, though, your statement still makes no sense. More people were killed during September 2001 driving than in the Twin Towers - does that mean we should spend more on car safety than we spend on our military response?

[billvon 3,111]

>None, personally, but I can see what's happening.

Get to know some! They'll give you a new perspective on the whole "arab terrorism" thing.

> Why do you think Sadaam used the Sunnis in his military forces to wield
>a heavy hand upon the general population.

Cause Sunnis supported him, and he used their cohesiveness to his advantage. He could care less about what religion they were. If he could have used Tamil Tigers he would have. He's shown no support for any specific religion (beyond what helped him maintain power.) He was a secular leader.

>So, you are proposing an isolationist policy?

Definitely more isolationist than we have now. "Pre-emptive invasion" is insane as a foreign policy.

>If I want to kill a bunch of cockroaches I'm not going to scatter a little
>bait here and there.

For god's sake, man! These are PEOPLE you're talking about, not cockroaches! Think if you killed all those cockroaches with some great big pile of poison, and accidentally killed a few hundred kids along with them, people would consider that a fair trade? Because that's what's happening now.

[kallend 2,146]

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Nation-building doesn't happen overnight. It takes time. Throw away this opportunity to bring the Middle East into the 20th century, and they might continue to live in 16th century ignorance and oppression for another 1,000 years.

""Let me tell you what else I'm worried about: I'm worried about an opponent who uses nation building and the military in the same sentence." G.W. Bush, Nov. 6, 2000

""And so I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation building." G.W. Bush, Oct. 11, 2000

""It really depends upon how our nation conducts its foreign policy. If we're an arrogant nation, they'll resent us. If we're a humble nation, they'll respect us." G. W. Bush, debate with Al Gore, 2000

"I mean, we're going to have a kind of nation-building corps from America? Absolutely not."
G.W. Bush,Oct. 11, 2000

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[Gawain 0]

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>Do you want to "stay the course" on the Bush strategy . . . .

Hell no. 2500 US soldiers dead, and tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis dead. We need a better solution. It's been three years. We should stop wasting american lives on a solution that has failed.

Let's see, a failed solution that has resulted in:

-Freed Afghanistan population, Taliban out of power.
-Freed Iraqis, Saddam out of power (responsible for millions of lives), Zarqawi dead (better target than OBL IMO)
-Elected governments in both countries
-Insurgencies that meet their fate
-Terrorists that have hindered support in the middle east and are being picked up throughout the west
-Failed plots in both the UK and Canada

What would be success? You left out the 3000 killed on 9/11, the hundreds on 3/11, and dozens more on 7/7 as a part of those killed in this campaign.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[Royd 0]

If I want to kill a bunch of cockroaches I'm not going to scatter a little
>bait here and there.

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For god's sake, man! These are PEOPLE you're talking about, not cockroaches! Think if you killed all those cockroaches with some great big pile of poison, and accidentally killed a few hundred kids along with them, people would consider that a fair trade? Because that's what's happening now.

You miss my point. According to the press, the terrorists are coming from everywhere to fight us. sounds convenient and effecient to me.
At some point and time you have to throw down the gauntlet, because they aren't going to quit until they are destroyed. Now is as good a time as any.

[StreetScooby 5]

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You're American aren't you ...... I can tell

We are all engines of karma

[kallend 2,146]

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If I want to kill a bunch of cockroaches I'm not going to scatter a little
>bait here and there.

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For god's sake, man! These are PEOPLE you're talking about, not cockroaches! Think if you killed all those cockroaches with some great big pile of poison, and accidentally killed a few hundred kids along with them, people would consider that a fair trade? Because that's what's happening now.

You miss my point. According to the press, the terrorists are coming from everywhere to fight us. sounds convenient and effecient to me.

In the greater scheme of things, the risk of terrorist attack is pretty low. We could have spent $300Bn more efffectively on improving our safety in a myriad other ways than on this war.

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At some point and time you have to throw down the gauntlet, because they aren't going to quit until they are destroyed. Now is as good a time as any.

Maybe at some point we just have to stop pissing off the rest of the world to the point that anyone wants to fight us.

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[Royd 0]

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Maybe at some point we just have to stop pissing off the rest of the world to the point that anyone wants to fight us.

We can find examples of the worlds' attitude toward us, right here in this country.
I hear it all of the time out of the mouths of the press and the Democratic Party.

Terms like; the more fortunate, winners of lifes' lottery, and the filthy rich.
Those who can't or refuse to achieve, despise those who do.
They don't want to actually solve the problem by doing something for themselves. They just want to punish those who get ahead.
Every country in the Middle East is sitting on a fortune, yet, they remain second rate nations. That's got nothing to do with the US.
If socialism were the end all to the world problems, every person in the Middle East should be rich.
I'm sure that Europe is filled with people, who, if given the opportunity, would embrace capitalism, but when the state takes 60% of your wages it's pretty hard to keep a positive attitude toward self motivation.
Pretty soon, you have a whole society who have a GAF attitude toward self improvment because most of it will be taken away from you to support a bunch of bureaucrats who have no real purpose in life, except to make yours miserable.
I'm sure that if the liberals in this country had free rein, we could be a bunch of miserable losers, also.
Then the world would be happy.

No, they wouldn't. They'd be pissed because there are no more free handouts.