San Fran socialists loose their battle.

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So the peoples democratic decision is overturned by a state official. So much for the land of the free home of democracy.

Pretty shallow view you have there.

All the white folks could probably vote down the EEO laws here in the land of the free home of democracy. Should we have checks in place to overturn that sort of thing?

You know, if you're going to constantly take self-gratifying cheap shots at the US government, you'd gain a lot of cred by LEARNING THE BASICS OF HOW IT OPERATES before opening your mouth.

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in many parts of Europe (Including the UK) it is illegal to deny the Holocaust.

No it's not. The only countries I know of that have such a law are Germany and Austria and those are national laws only effective within their borders. The UK certainly does not have such a law.

I'd also add that it is likely that such laws are in breach of European laws and would be overturned the first time a case made it up to the European Court of Human Rights, (just as the court in this thread rightly overturned local legislation which was in breach of the overriding national legislation.

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In schools here certain nursery ryhms are also banned ie:Bah Bah BLACK sheep. I really kid you not

That's your socialistic liberlism at work.

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The EXTREME left SF anti-constitutional rights groups have lost their battle.

http://www.foxreno.com/news/9358918/detail.html?rss=reno&psp=news

After 5 days of isolation in the hospital, itt was nice to come home to this news yesterday. Otherwise I'd have become a 6 time criminal by next week (19th).

I was concerned a judge with an interest would find a way to buy the SF residents only distinction, giving us 6-9 months of craziness until the Appellatte level restored tthe 1982 decision.

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After 5 days of isolation in the hospital, it was nice to come home to this news yesterday. Otherwise I'd have become a 6 time criminal by next week

I hope you get better soon.

This is what liberals call crime control. They take a guy like you who is a law abiding citizen one day, and a few days later when discharged from the hospital, you are suddenly a criminal subject to arrest and imprisonment. All because someone decided that a piece of metal in your home which hasn't been used to harm anyone, should be illegal. And somehow that's supposed to make crime go down! Then all the liberals smugly announce to the world how great they are for fighting crime.

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This is what liberals call crime control.
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Then all the liberals smugly announce to the world how great they are for fighting crime.

John, could you please spell out for me your personal definition of "liberal"?

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I think it a wonderful idea to have a non politician as head of state.

So you supported Schwartzenegger Reagan?

Fixed it for ya.

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I think it a wonderful idea to have a non politician as head of state.

So you supported Schwartzenegger Reagan?

Fixed it for ya.

Thanks, but I was trying to keep it in this century.

I wonder if the Dems are going to run a "Slip and Fall" Attorney in 2008. That ought to be fun to pick on.

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No I get it but I was just bored and in a argumentative mood

aka trolling?

arguing for the sake of pissing people off is NOT what this forum is for, although many people don't follow that rule.

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I wonder if the Dems are going to run a "Slip and Fall" Attorney in 2008. That ought to be fun to pick on.

Nah, there'd be no sport in that.
Hey, how about Gerry Ford? He used to slip & fall a lot!

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Clearly economics isn't your strong point, lesson one not everone in the world uses the dollar

He used "Dollar" as "currency". His argument is valid even if you don't like the word.

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I wonder if the Dems are going to run a "Slip and Fall" Attorney in 2008. That ought to be fun to pick on.

Nah, there'd be no sport in that.
Hey, how about Gerry Ford? He used to slip & fall a lot!

Heh, heh.. I used to love the Saturday Night Live spoofs Chevy Chase did on Ford and his clumbsiness.

Of course Ford never sued anyone. I wonder if Edwards would have represented him?

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in many parts of Europe (Including the UK) it is illegal to deny the Holocaust.

No it's not. The only countries I know of that have such a law are Germany and Austria and those are national laws only effective within their borders. The UK certainly does not have such a law.

I'd also add that it is likely that such laws are in breach of European laws and would be overturned the first time a case made it up to the European Court of Human Rights, (just as the court in this thread rightly overturned local legislation which was in breach of the overriding national legislation.

Here's one casehttp://www.ihr.org/jhr/v19/v19n2p58_Swiss.html And I beleive the USA deported someone to Germany recently who was also convicted and imprisioned.> My bad. here's the guy>http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1101333207257_43/?hub=Canada>Incitement trial in Germany

Zundel’s long-expected trial in Germany began on November 8, 2005, but was almost immediately delayed after Judge Ulrich Meinerzhagen learned that the defense team included Horst Mahler, a disbarred right-wing German lawyer who had himself been convicted of inciting hatred against Jews in January 2005. Mahler had joined the defense team as the assistant of attorney Sylvia Stolz; Mahler and Stolz were both dismissed by Judge Meinerzhagen, who then adjourned the trial to give a new lawyer time to prepare a case in Zundel’s defense.

German authorities had charged Zundel with inciting racial hatred and defaming the memory of the dead in March 2005. Zundel had been returned to Germany after running afoul of immigration laws in the U.S. and Canada. He has had a long career promoting Holocaust denial and neo-Nazi ideology. > The trial is back on track now I beleive---------------------------------------------------------------------------

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in many parts of Europe (Including the UK) it is illegal to deny the Holocaust.

No it's not. The only countries I know of that have such a law are Germany and Austria and those are national laws only effective within their borders. The UK certainly does not have such a law.

I'd also add that it is likely that such laws are in breach of European laws and would be overturned the first time a case made it up to the European Court of Human Rights, (just as the court in this thread rightly overturned local legislation which was in breach of the overriding national legislation.

I stand corrected, however there are laws that exist that it would be possible to use to proscecute someone who denies the holocaust in the UK. But there have been people jailed for this activity in Europe, David Irving comes to mind. Also now the UK is part of the EU if someone was to do so on the internet could they be proscecuted under European law?

The major legislation dealing with racial hatred is contained in Part III of the Public Order Act 1986.(6) Section 18 outlines the principal offence, which is that of incitement of racial hatred through words, behaviour or the display of written material. The Crime and Disorder Act 1998, the Malicious Communications Act 1988, the Protection from Harassment Act 1997 and the Race Relations Act 1976 also have certain provisions which can have some bearing on hate speech (again, noted in Box 2).
The relevant sections of the Public Order Act appear to have greater potential for tackling Holocaust-denial activity than the other pieces of legislation named in Box 2, which seem to have very limited, if any, application in this regard. However, no one has been prosecuted under the Public Order Act specifically for producing or disseminating Holocaust-denial literature, despite the assertions of the attorney-general and successive home secretaries that prosecution would take place where denial material is published with the intention of inciting racial hatred. Indeed, prosecutions for incitement of racial hatred of any kind have been rare since this was first made an offence in 1965. It appears that the legislation is framed in such restrictive terms that it discourages the prosecuting authorities from taking action other than in cases where the incitement to hatred brings a clear threat of violence or disorder.
http://www.jpr.org.uk/Reports/CS%5FReports/no%5F3%5F2000/

Holocaust denial is illegal in France (Loi Gayssot), Belgium (Belgian Negationism Law), Switzerland (article 261bis of the Penal Code) and several other West European countries. The Council of Europe's 2003 Additional Protocol to the Convention on cybercrime, concerning the criminalisation of acts of a racist and xenophobic nature committed through computer systems includes an article 6 titled Denial, gross minimisation, approval or justification of genocide or crimes against humanity.
http://www.martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/holocaust_denial.html

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in many parts of Europe (Including the UK) it is illegal to deny the Holocaust.

No it's not. The only countries I know of that have such a law are Germany and Austria and those are national laws only effective within their borders. The UK certainly does not have such a law.

I'd also add that it is likely that such laws are in breach of European laws and would be overturned the first time a case made it up to the European Court of Human Rights, (just as the court in this thread rightly overturned local legislation which was in breach of the overriding national legislation.

I stand corrected, however there are laws that exist that it would be possible to use to proscecute someone who denies the holocaust in the UK.

Wow, you mean that there exists laws in Europe which deny freedom of speech, regardless of how retarded that speech may be??

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!