AggieDave 6 #1 June 13, 2006 The EXTREME left SF anti-constitutional rights groups have lost their battle. http://www.foxreno.com/news/9358918/detail.html?rss=reno&psp=news--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #2 June 13, 2006 A surprising sane judgement from a California judge. We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #3 June 13, 2006 Most Cali judges make good decisions. This wasn't unexpected. This had been decided in 1982, and there were no real differences between this and the 1982 decisions. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #4 June 13, 2006 QuoteSAN FRANCICSO -- A state trial judge sided Monday with the National Rifle Association in overturning a voter-approved city ordinance that banned handgun possession and firearm sales in San Francisco. So the peoples democratic decision is overturned by a state official. So much for the land of the free home of democracy.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #5 June 13, 2006 QuoteSo the peoples democratic decision is overturned by a state official. So much for the land of the free home of democracy Yup. Just because the people voted it in doesn't mean that something that goes against the nation's constitution can be upheld. Just about every state had anti-homosexual laws on the books. Those were voted in by the people of the state when they were passed. Those laws were over turned when they were found to be unconstitutional. Do you still have your sarcastic reply or is it only when the cause that is in debate is something that you don't like?--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #6 June 13, 2006 we don't live in a pure democracy. In a pure democracy, anything goes, so long as the majority agrees. Civil rights are not protected, if the majority wants to take them away from a certain group. We live in a constitutional republic. If a bill goes against the constitution, it is out-of-bounds, so to speak, no matter how many people want to vote for it. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #7 June 13, 2006 QuoteQuoteSo the peoples democratic decision is overturned by a state official. So much for the land of the free home of democracy Yup. Just because the people voted it in doesn't mean that something that goes against the nation's constitution can be upheld. Just about every state had anti-homosexual laws on the books. Those were voted in by the people of the state when they were passed. Those laws were over turned when they were found to be unconstitutional. Do you still have your sarcastic reply or is it only when the cause that is in debate is something that you don't like? How long ago was the constitution written? That makes as much sense as people living their lives by rules written 1500 years ago. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #8 June 13, 2006 QuoteSo the peoples democratic decision is overturned by a state official. So much for the land of the free home of democracy. It's actually why we have laws set up. We have rules, and Constitutions, etc. We are NOT a democracy because, unfortunately, mob rule tends to shit on the rights of others. So when the "will of the people" imposes on Constitutional rights, it is up to the judiciary to quash it. I'm sure there are places and localities that would vote for all persons of african descent to be slaves again. I'm sure there are other places that would vote to ban women and minorities from voting. Obviously, you'd hope that the courts would intervene in that. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #9 June 13, 2006 QuoteHow long ago was the constitution written? a little over 200 years ago. Except we also have ammendments that have been added since then periodically. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #10 June 13, 2006 QuoteThat makes as much sense as people living their lives by rules written 1500 years ago. Crazy That is fairly ironic since many of western society's laws are based on the Code of Hammurabi which was written somewhere around 2500BC (if I remember correctly). So a document that is just a bit over 200 years old is outdated? It has no bearing on modern life? The Bill of Rights should be abolished then? Even though the constitution has been updated throughout the years? Side note: Isn't Monarchy kinda outdated as well? That's a whole lot of tax dollars going to keep someone who does practically nothing for the country rich and living a luxurious life.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #11 June 13, 2006 QuoteQuoteThat makes as much sense as people living their lives by rules written 1500 years ago. Crazy That is fairly ironic since many of western society's laws are based on the Code of Hammurabi which was written somewhere around 2500BC (if I remember correctly). So a document that is just a bit over 200 years old is outdated? It has no bearing on modern life? The Bill of Rights should be abolished then? Even though the constitution has been updated throughout the years? Side note: Isn't Monarchy kinda outdated as well? That's a whole lot of tax dollars going to keep someone who does practically nothing for the country rich and living a luxurious life. Clearly economics isn't your strong point, lesson one not everone in the world uses the dollarWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #12 June 13, 2006 QuoteHow long ago was the constitution written? That makes as much sense as people living their lives by rules written 1500 years ago. So are things like, oh, the right to freedom of speech, outdated? Here's a quote for you: "Granted that the 19th century was the century of socialism, liberalism, democracy, this does not mean that the 20th century must also be the century of socialism, liberalism, democracy. Political doctrines pass; nations remain... If the 19th century was the century of the individual (liberalism implies individualism) we are free to believe that this is the 'collective' century, and therefore the century of the State." Sure, it was Mussolini who said this in describing the reasons for fascism. He, too, let people know that things like protections of freedoms, etc., were outdated. Come to think of it, Newton's Principia Mathematica was published in 1687. Why on earth we base our thinking of nature's laws on something that old is puzzling. It has no more credibility than rudimetary concepts of numbering, and I guess calculus should merely be shoved by the wayside in favor of novel approaches to mathematical analyses. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #13 June 13, 2006 Quote Clearly economics isn't your strong point, lesson one not everone in the world uses the dollar No shit sherlock. No response so ya gotta throw an insult out there? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #14 June 13, 2006 Freedom of speech is a myth, do you still belive in the tooth fairy as well? Try yelling bomb in an airport and see how free you feel, or go to Europe and tell the world the holocaust never happened, stand up at work and tell the woman on your left you think shes got a great butt. Freedom of speach is a joke.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #15 June 13, 2006 Come to think of it, Middle English is about 500 years old. WHy am I writing in it now? Sure, there are modern derivations of it that tweaked it somewhat, but I personally think that basing communications on a system several hundred years old is ludicrous, and no better than communicating in Old English. Let's create a new one that isn't as antiquated. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #16 June 13, 2006 QuoteCome to think of it, Middle English is about 500 years old. WHy am I writing in it now? Quote Because your country never had the imagination to create its own language so it butchers ours insteadWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #17 June 13, 2006 QuoteFreedom of speech is a myth, do you still belive in the tooth fairy as well? Try yelling bomb in an airport and see how free you feel, or go to Europe and tell the world the holocaust never happened, stand up at work and tell the woman on your left you think shes got a great butt. Freedom of speach is a joke. Please, do I have to explain this??? or is this just arguing for the sake of arguing?? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #18 June 13, 2006 No I get it but I was just bored and in a argumentative moodWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #19 June 13, 2006 Quoteyelling bomb in an airport and see how free you feel I probably wouldn't want to test this out. The fact is, however, I can say it. Quotego to Europe and tell the world the holocaust never happened So, in Europe such talk is banned? I can say all I want that the Holocaust never happened. People don't have to believe me. In fact, people can call me an asshole for saying it. But I'm not going to be jailed for saying the Holocaust never happened. That's what "freedom of speech" is about. Quotestand up at work and tell the woman on your left you think shes got a great butt Check out this post. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1562604#1562604 Perhaps the California justices who wrote that opinion ALSO believed that freedom of speech is outdated. You should celebrate a court actually banning words in a workplace. After all, freedom of speech is an old concept. It's a joke that is not WORTHY of protection. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #20 June 13, 2006 QuoteClearly economics isn't your strong point, lesson one not everone in the world uses the dollar I would have thought that you could have read past the dollar and insert English Pound, Euro or whatever and understood the content. Guess not since you decided to ignore everything else in that post and simply try to insult me. Oh well.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #21 June 13, 2006 QuoteQuoteFreedom of speech is a myth, do you still belive in the tooth fairy as well? Try yelling bomb in an airport and see how free you feel, or go to Europe and tell the world the holocaust never happened, stand up at work and tell the woman on your left you think shes got a great butt. Freedom of speach is a joke. Please, do I have to explain this??? or is this just arguing for the sake of arguing?? Considering developments in the law (see my post above), it is unfortunate that skyrad actually has a valid point, especially on his last point. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #22 June 13, 2006 Hey don't take it as an insult it was just another sarcastic comment, nothing personal.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #23 June 13, 2006 Quote Hey don't take it as an insult it was just another sarcastic comment, nothing personal. That's fine, then instead of sarcasm respond to the points I raised as well as the other points raised. Unless you don't want to discuss your opinion. In which case your opinions don't really matter for the arguement you raised.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #24 June 13, 2006 Ok, trolling aside now. Freedom of speech really is if not dead then croaking on its death bed in many countries in the western democracys. The whole sexual harrasment fear is only one example. Yes in many parts of Europe (Including the UK) it is illegal to deny the Holocaust. In schools here certain nursery ryhms are also banned ie:Bah Bah BLACK sheep. I really kid you not! 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SpeedRacer 1 #17 June 13, 2006 QuoteFreedom of speech is a myth, do you still belive in the tooth fairy as well? Try yelling bomb in an airport and see how free you feel, or go to Europe and tell the world the holocaust never happened, stand up at work and tell the woman on your left you think shes got a great butt. Freedom of speach is a joke. Please, do I have to explain this??? or is this just arguing for the sake of arguing?? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #18 June 13, 2006 No I get it but I was just bored and in a argumentative moodWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #19 June 13, 2006 Quoteyelling bomb in an airport and see how free you feel I probably wouldn't want to test this out. The fact is, however, I can say it. Quotego to Europe and tell the world the holocaust never happened So, in Europe such talk is banned? I can say all I want that the Holocaust never happened. People don't have to believe me. In fact, people can call me an asshole for saying it. But I'm not going to be jailed for saying the Holocaust never happened. That's what "freedom of speech" is about. Quotestand up at work and tell the woman on your left you think shes got a great butt Check out this post. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1562604#1562604 Perhaps the California justices who wrote that opinion ALSO believed that freedom of speech is outdated. You should celebrate a court actually banning words in a workplace. After all, freedom of speech is an old concept. It's a joke that is not WORTHY of protection. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #20 June 13, 2006 QuoteClearly economics isn't your strong point, lesson one not everone in the world uses the dollar I would have thought that you could have read past the dollar and insert English Pound, Euro or whatever and understood the content. Guess not since you decided to ignore everything else in that post and simply try to insult me. Oh well.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #21 June 13, 2006 QuoteQuoteFreedom of speech is a myth, do you still belive in the tooth fairy as well? Try yelling bomb in an airport and see how free you feel, or go to Europe and tell the world the holocaust never happened, stand up at work and tell the woman on your left you think shes got a great butt. Freedom of speach is a joke. Please, do I have to explain this??? or is this just arguing for the sake of arguing?? Considering developments in the law (see my post above), it is unfortunate that skyrad actually has a valid point, especially on his last point. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #22 June 13, 2006 Hey don't take it as an insult it was just another sarcastic comment, nothing personal.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #23 June 13, 2006 Quote Hey don't take it as an insult it was just another sarcastic comment, nothing personal. That's fine, then instead of sarcasm respond to the points I raised as well as the other points raised. Unless you don't want to discuss your opinion. In which case your opinions don't really matter for the arguement you raised.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #24 June 13, 2006 Ok, trolling aside now. Freedom of speech really is if not dead then croaking on its death bed in many countries in the western democracys. The whole sexual harrasment fear is only one example. Yes in many parts of Europe (Including the UK) it is illegal to deny the Holocaust. In schools here certain nursery ryhms are also banned ie:Bah Bah BLACK sheep. I really kid you not! Freedom of speech is a great concept but I don't belive that it exists anymore.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #25 June 13, 2006 Ok, well the Monachy generates far more revenue than it costs. As for a life of luxury, I personaly see it more like a life in a gilded cage.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
