twibbles 0 #76 June 16, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteHow does a gun registry help prevent that? Lets say a man shoots his wife on impulse, after following her to a secret meeting with her toy boy, then dumps the gun. It wouldn't help prevent the crime, but it would help solve it quicker. If he took his gun with him when following his wife around because he was suspicious of an extra-marital affair, then that isn't "impulse", that's 1st-degree murder. And you assume that, 1) the gun would be recovered, 2) connected to the crime, and 3) not be a stolen gun that is untraceable back to the murderer. If I was going to murder someone, I'd sure as hell use a stolen gun registered to someone else. Woe is them. I could think of some really complicated situation where gun registry would help, but i think i'll just be grasping on straws. I suppose i just assumed that when a goverment implements gun registry, they knew what they were doing, me bad. But how about in the UK where gun ownership is not banned yet, but restricted? Registering people who are authorised to own firearms instead of the firearms themselves? Eugene "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
twibbles 0 #77 June 16, 2006 How about assigning punishment to the action of the aggressor? Fear could be subjective, how do you quantify fear? If a person pulls out a knife and threathens someone, the person could laugh it off or piss himself. I think it should be judged base on the fact that the aggressor threathened with a knife. On the whole, i agree with you that it's not the tool used that the punishment is based on, but the result and how the tool is being used. Thanks for the reply, i'm not afraid to admit when i don't know something, and i look at SC as more of a learning experience through discussion, and less trying to shout out my point of view, and i'm learning something new all the time. Thanks! Eugene "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #78 June 16, 2006 QuoteI suppose i just assumed that when a goverment implements gun registry, they knew what they were doing... Yeah, now that's always a big mistake. (grin) QuoteBut how about in the UK where gun ownership is not banned yet, but restricted? Registering people who are authorised to own firearms instead of the firearms themselves? In the UK, all handguns and semi-auto long guns are banned. They can only own single shot rifles and shotguns. Registering the law-abiding who are willing to jump through all the hoops to get permisson to own a gun, once again, doesn't do anything to stop the criminals. Anyone intending any criminal act with a gun, sure doesn't want to be registered with the government. All this registration does is create new "criminals" out of the law-abiding, when technical paperwork snafus occur. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #79 June 23, 2006 Black powder handguns are still legal (Pyrodex or equivalent is permitted as well as black powder. Nitro powder also) and semi automatic rifles are to, I was using one just a couple of days ago. The following are generaly prohibited Section 5 (1) (a) any firearm which is so designed or adapted that two or more missiles can be successively discharged without repeated pressure on the trigger. (ab) any self-loading or pump-action rifled gun other than one which is chambered for .22 rim-fire cartridges. (aba) any firearm which either has a barrel less than 30cm in length or is less than 60cm in length overall, other than an air weapon, a muzzle-loading gun or a firearm designed as signalling apparatus. (ac) any self-loading or pump-action smooth bore gun which is not an air weapon or chambered for .22 rim-fire cartridges and either has a barrel less than 24 inches in length or is less than 40 inches in length overall. (ad) any smooth bore revolver gun other than one which is chambered for 9mm rim-fire cartridges or a muzzle-loading gun. (ae) any rocket launcher, or any mortar, for projecting a stabilised missile, other than a launcher or mortar designed for line throwing or pyrotechnic purposes or as signalling apparatus. (af) any air rifle, air gun or air pistol which uses, or is designed or adapted for use with, a self-contained gas cartridge system. (b) any weapon of whatever description designed or adapted for the discharge of any noxious liquid, gas or other thing. (c) any cartridge with a bullet so designed to explode on or immediately before impact, any ammunition containing or designed or adapted to contain any such noxious thing as is mentioned in paragraph (b) above and, if capable of being used with a firearm of any description, any grenade, bomb or other like missile, or rocket or shell designed to explode as aforesaid. so as you can see you can have a semi automatic .22 rifle so long as it can't fire on fully automatic.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #80 June 23, 2006 QuoteQuoteIn the UK, all handguns and semi-auto long guns are banned. They can only own single shot rifles and shotguns. Black powder handguns are still legal... The following are generaly prohibited... ...any self-loading or pump-action rifled gun other than one which is chambered for .22 rim-fire cartridges. Okay, so to make my original statement more technically correct, I could rephrase it to say; "In the UK, all handguns (except black powder) and semi-auto long guns (except .22 rimfire) are banned." Would that summary statement satisfy you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
