SpeedRacer 1 #51 June 15, 2006 QuoteQuoteHmm, so the major difference between DC and Singapore... It could highlight that it's not gun restriction, but the enforcement and punishment that causing the difference. Ding ding ding! Correct. It's not the guns, it's the law enforcement. If America enforced its existing crime laws, with certain capture and harsh punishment, then crime would go down even further than it already has. However, if you turn police into bureaucrats and turn the justice system into a revolving door, then you're going to have more crime, guns or no guns. It seems to be true here as well. Violent crime was high in the '80s. During the '90s crime dropped, partly due to an improving economy, but mostly due to tougher law enforcement & harsher penalties. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #52 June 15, 2006 QuoteHow does making law-abiding citizens register their firearms help prevent gun crime? Anyone? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,117 #53 June 15, 2006 QuoteQuoteHow does making law-abiding citizens register their firearms help prevent gun crime? Anyone? Lets also abolish registration for cars, planes and boats while we're about it. How does registering a plane prevent plane crashes? Put an end to all government intrusion.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #54 June 15, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteHow does making law-abiding citizens register their firearms help prevent gun crime? Anyone? Quote Lets also abolish registration for cars, planes and boats while we're about it. I'm up for it. All it means to me is a few hundred dollars I don't have to pay every year. Auto and boat registrations are essentially a tax. Quote How does registering a plane prevent plane crashes? When did we start talking about planes? Quote Put an end to all government intrusion. It'd be nice. Now, are you going to answer the question or not? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites twibbles 0 #55 June 15, 2006 QuoteQuoteHow does making law-abiding citizens register their firearms help prevent gun crime? Anyone? Law-abiding citizens don't always stay abiding by the law, people do things on impulse, and guns get stolen. Also, it makes it easier to identify the legally owned ones. Lets say the police stop someone who is carrying a gun. If it's not registered, it's one more illegal firearm off the street. Without the registeration, it'll be harder to tell. Eugene "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites justinb138 0 #56 June 15, 2006 Quote Law-abiding citizens don't always stay abiding by the law, people do things on impulse, and guns get stolen. How does a gun registry help prevent that? Quote Also, it makes it easier to identify the legally owned ones. Want an easy way to find out if a gun is legally owned? Run the record of the person carrying the gun. If they're a felon, it's an illegal gun. No gun registry needed. Quote Lets say the police stop someone who is carrying a gun. If it's not registered, it's one more illegal firearm off the street. Without the registeration, it'll be harder to tell. Lets say the police stop someone who is carrying a gun. It he's a convicted felon, it's one more illegal firearm off the street. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #57 June 15, 2006 Quotepersons serving their entire sentence without remission for "good behaviour" ("BAD behaviour would incur a lengthening of sentence or harsher regime). Nice - crimes have a minimum punishment and good behavior is expected. No parole. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites twibbles 0 #58 June 15, 2006 QuoteQuotei'm for gun registeration, along with capital punishment for gun crimes. Do you want capital punishment for knife crime too? Hmm, that's an interesting question... i don't know. Appropriate punishment, however it's defined. I could say that knife crime doesn't merit the capital punishment, but i won't be able to justify why gun crime deserves that punishment, and knife crime don't. Maybe assign punishment to the intent of the person commiting the crime? I don't know, haven't though this through yet. Eugene "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites twibbles 0 #59 June 15, 2006 QuoteHow does a gun registry help prevent that? Lets say a man shoots his wife on impulse, after following her to a secret meeting with her toy boy, then dumps the gun. It wouldn't help prevent the crime, but it would help solve it quicker. Quote Want an easy way to find out if a gun is legally owned? Run the record of the person carrying the gun. If they're a felon, it's an illegal gun. No gun registry needed. I suppose it depends on what makes the gun illegal. Is it just convicted felons that are not allowed to posess firearms? Is that the sole criteria? Hmm, is the gun considered illegal based on the person carrying it, or is it based on the source of the gun? You got me thinking here, easy answer is it depends on where gun registeration is used. Eugene "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,117 #60 June 15, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuotei'm for gun registeration, along with capital punishment for gun crimes. Do you want capital punishment for knife crime too? Hmm, that's an interesting question... i don't know. Appropriate punishment, however it's defined. I could say that knife crime doesn't merit the capital punishment, but i won't be able to justify why gun crime deserves that punishment, and knife crime don't. Maybe assign punishment to the intent of the person commiting the crime? I don't know, haven't though this through yet. Eugene Killing people is generally a bad solution to any problem. (I can imagine exceptions, so don't start posting "what about Hitler..."... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites twibbles 0 #61 June 15, 2006 I know, i can't justify when a crime becomes serious enough that it merits capital punishment. i suppose the punishment should be what's socially accepted as a fitting punishment for the crime. Life imprisonment without parole for murder? I'll settle for that. Eugene "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DrewEckhardt 0 #62 June 15, 2006 QuoteQuote Lets also abolish registration for cars, planes and boats while we're about it. How does registering a plane prevent plane crashes? Put an end to all government intrusion. What's to abolish? You don't have to register motor vehicles that you don't intend to operate on public road ways, waters, or airspace. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #63 June 15, 2006 QuoteI don't think anyone who supports gun registration has answered the question so far. How does making law-abiding citizens register their firearms help prevent gun crime? Yes, 12 people responded to the poll with "register all guns!", yet none of them can answer that simple prerequisite question. Isn't that interesting... That should tell them something about the efficacy of the idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #64 June 15, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuotei'm for gun registeration, along with capital punishment for gun crimes. Do you want capital punishment for knife crime too? Hmm, that's an interesting question... i don't know. Appropriate punishment, however it's defined. I could say that knife crime doesn't merit the capital punishment, but i won't be able to justify why gun crime deserves that punishment, and knife crime don't. Maybe assign punishment to the intent of the person commiting the crime? I don't know, haven't though this through yet. Well I'm glad I've made you think. Keep up the good work. Thank you for a refreshingly honest answer. Threatening someone with a knife should be no less serious than threatening someone with a gun. Both can be lethal, real quick. If you propose something for one instrument, you should do the same for the other instrument. So how about just assigning one punishment to anyone who threatens another with lethal force? And don't specify to which instruments it applies. It's the threat that is the crime, not what particular object they happen to have in their hand. Guns should not be singled out for any different treatment than any other weapon. "Intent" cannot be known. If they're displaying a weapon and threatening you with it, that's enough for an "aggravated" criminal charge. If they were just kidding and didn't really intend to do it, that doesn't count. What counts is the fear they made their victim feel, because the victim doesn't know whether they are kidding or not. And of course, every criminal that gets caught just claims: "I didn't intend to hurt anyone!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #65 June 15, 2006 Quoteguns get stolen. Yes, and then the registration database points to the former owner, who will be accused of committing crimes with that gun, rather than the person who stole it and actually did it. Quoteit makes it easier to identify the legally owned ones. Lets say the police stop someone who is carrying a gun. If it's not registered, it's one more illegal firearm off the street. So you're in favor of arresting people who are just walking down the street minding their own business and not bothering anyone, simply because their gun is not listed in some computer? Do some more reading on the news stories referenced in this forum about how rife with errors the gun registration databases are in Canada and England. The U.S. machine gun database is screwed up too. People go to jail because bureaucrats can't make proper entries and keep them straight. It should not be a crime to simply own a gun that is not in some government computer list. The only thing that should be a crime is when someone actually pulls that gun out and threatens another with it or uses it on them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #66 June 15, 2006 QuoteQuoteHow does a gun registry help prevent that? Lets say a man shoots his wife on impulse, after following her to a secret meeting with her toy boy, then dumps the gun. It wouldn't help prevent the crime, but it would help solve it quicker. If he took his gun with him when following his wife around because he was suspicious of an extra-marital affair, then that isn't "impulse", that's 1st-degree murder. And you assume that, 1) the gun would be recovered, 2) connected to the crime, and 3) not be a stolen gun that is untraceable back to the murderer. If I was going to murder someone, I'd sure as hell use a stolen gun registered to someone else. Woe is them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,117 #67 June 16, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote Lets also abolish registration for cars, planes and boats while we're about it. How does registering a plane prevent plane crashes? Put an end to all government intrusion. What's to abolish? You don't have to register motor vehicles that you don't intend to operate on public road ways, waters, or airspace. Not a whole lot of private airspace in the USA these days!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #68 June 16, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuotei'm for gun registeration, along with capital punishment for gun crimes. Do you want capital punishment for knife crime too? Hmm, that's an interesting question... i don't know. It's not interesting at all. If you kill someone, whether with a gun, a knife, a baseball bat, a board with a nail in it, your bare hands, an ice pick, etc. The crime is murder, that act is 'murder'. What the hell is a "gun" crime? It's a political position instead of a justice driven definition. Capital punishment is for major crimes. we should enforce that why is this considered hard? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,117 #69 June 16, 2006 Quote Capital punishment is for major crimes. we should enforce that why is this considered hard? Most countries get along just fine WITHOUT capital punishment. You make it sound like an axiom, when it is simply a choice that most advanced nations have declined to make.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #70 June 16, 2006 QuoteQuote Capital punishment is for major crimes. we should enforce that why is this considered hard? Most countries get along just fine WITHOUT capital punishment. You make it sound like an axiom, when it is simply a choice that most advanced nations have declined to make. good catch - i wasn't speaking to 'capital punishment' so much as why have a different punishment for the same crime when different weapons were used. The word 'capital' just came along for the ride that said, I do think the death penalty has a place, but not to be just thrown out in a general sense don't care what the other countries do no more than they care about our system - mainly because there is examples on both sides of the discussion. This is one we have to flesh out for ourselves. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #71 June 16, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote Capital punishment is for major crimes. we should enforce that why is this considered hard? Most countries get along just fine WITHOUT capital punishment. You make it sound like an axiom, when it is simply a choice that most advanced nations have declined to make. good catch - i wasn't speaking to 'capital punishment' so much as why have a different punishment for the same crime when different weapons were used. The word 'capital' just came along for the ride that said, I do think the death penalty has a place, but not to be just thrown out in a general sense don't care what the other countries do no more than they care about our system - mainly because there is examples on both sides of the discussion. This is one we have to flesh out for ourselves. I'm against the death penalty. I'd like to see the most hardened criminals on death row have their sentences commuted to life without parole and VERY hard labor. Let them spend the rest of their lives thinking about what they did. Each and every day, up at 4am to work until 9pm. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #72 June 16, 2006 I've always thought criminals should be made to work in recycling plants. It would be away to make recycling cheap & save material resources at the same time Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #73 June 16, 2006 Quote Let them spend the rest of their lives thinking about what they did. Each and every day, up at 4am to work until 9pm. I have no desire to make them suffer - that's revenge, not justice. Just want to efficiently remove them from the population so they can't do it ever again. Whether they are happy or miserable about it has no bearing on the decision one way or the other. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites twibbles 0 #74 June 16, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuotei'm for gun registeration, along with capital punishment for gun crimes. Do you want capital punishment for knife crime too? Hmm, that's an interesting question... i don't know. It's not interesting at all. If you kill someone, whether with a gun, a knife, a baseball bat, a board with a nail in it, your bare hands, an ice pick, etc. The crime is murder, that act is 'murder'. What the hell is a "gun" crime? It's a political position instead of a justice driven definition. Capital punishment is for major crimes. we should enforce that why is this considered hard? What if the person is just found walking down the street carrying a board with a nail in it, what should the punishment be for that? I agree with one of JohnRich's post, punish according to the threat, intent, or the crime itself. Doesn't matter how the crime is commited, it's the result of the crime that is important. One thought, if someone is shooting at an empty car with a rifle, is it just punishing the person for vandalism? Eugene "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites twibbles 0 #75 June 16, 2006 QuoteQuote Let them spend the rest of their lives thinking about what they did. Each and every day, up at 4am to work until 9pm. I have no desire to make them suffer - that's revenge, not justice. Just want to efficiently remove them from the population so they can't do it ever again. Whether they are happy or miserable about it has no bearing on the decision one way or the other. You run into the problem of having to decide what is considered a capital crime, and what isn't. Who decides when a life should be taken? If murder is a capital crime, how about an act if impulse, accidental killing, serial rapists, people who funds terrorism etc. where does it stop requiring capital punishment? I'm glad i don't have to decide it. Eugene "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 3 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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twibbles 0 #55 June 15, 2006 QuoteQuoteHow does making law-abiding citizens register their firearms help prevent gun crime? Anyone? Law-abiding citizens don't always stay abiding by the law, people do things on impulse, and guns get stolen. Also, it makes it easier to identify the legally owned ones. Lets say the police stop someone who is carrying a gun. If it's not registered, it's one more illegal firearm off the street. Without the registeration, it'll be harder to tell. Eugene "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #56 June 15, 2006 Quote Law-abiding citizens don't always stay abiding by the law, people do things on impulse, and guns get stolen. How does a gun registry help prevent that? Quote Also, it makes it easier to identify the legally owned ones. Want an easy way to find out if a gun is legally owned? Run the record of the person carrying the gun. If they're a felon, it's an illegal gun. No gun registry needed. Quote Lets say the police stop someone who is carrying a gun. If it's not registered, it's one more illegal firearm off the street. Without the registeration, it'll be harder to tell. Lets say the police stop someone who is carrying a gun. It he's a convicted felon, it's one more illegal firearm off the street. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #57 June 15, 2006 Quotepersons serving their entire sentence without remission for "good behaviour" ("BAD behaviour would incur a lengthening of sentence or harsher regime). Nice - crimes have a minimum punishment and good behavior is expected. No parole. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
twibbles 0 #58 June 15, 2006 QuoteQuotei'm for gun registeration, along with capital punishment for gun crimes. Do you want capital punishment for knife crime too? Hmm, that's an interesting question... i don't know. Appropriate punishment, however it's defined. I could say that knife crime doesn't merit the capital punishment, but i won't be able to justify why gun crime deserves that punishment, and knife crime don't. Maybe assign punishment to the intent of the person commiting the crime? I don't know, haven't though this through yet. Eugene "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
twibbles 0 #59 June 15, 2006 QuoteHow does a gun registry help prevent that? Lets say a man shoots his wife on impulse, after following her to a secret meeting with her toy boy, then dumps the gun. It wouldn't help prevent the crime, but it would help solve it quicker. Quote Want an easy way to find out if a gun is legally owned? Run the record of the person carrying the gun. If they're a felon, it's an illegal gun. No gun registry needed. I suppose it depends on what makes the gun illegal. Is it just convicted felons that are not allowed to posess firearms? Is that the sole criteria? Hmm, is the gun considered illegal based on the person carrying it, or is it based on the source of the gun? You got me thinking here, easy answer is it depends on where gun registeration is used. Eugene "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,117 #60 June 15, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuotei'm for gun registeration, along with capital punishment for gun crimes. Do you want capital punishment for knife crime too? Hmm, that's an interesting question... i don't know. Appropriate punishment, however it's defined. I could say that knife crime doesn't merit the capital punishment, but i won't be able to justify why gun crime deserves that punishment, and knife crime don't. Maybe assign punishment to the intent of the person commiting the crime? I don't know, haven't though this through yet. Eugene Killing people is generally a bad solution to any problem. (I can imagine exceptions, so don't start posting "what about Hitler..."... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
twibbles 0 #61 June 15, 2006 I know, i can't justify when a crime becomes serious enough that it merits capital punishment. i suppose the punishment should be what's socially accepted as a fitting punishment for the crime. Life imprisonment without parole for murder? I'll settle for that. Eugene "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #62 June 15, 2006 QuoteQuote Lets also abolish registration for cars, planes and boats while we're about it. How does registering a plane prevent plane crashes? Put an end to all government intrusion. What's to abolish? You don't have to register motor vehicles that you don't intend to operate on public road ways, waters, or airspace. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #63 June 15, 2006 QuoteI don't think anyone who supports gun registration has answered the question so far. How does making law-abiding citizens register their firearms help prevent gun crime? Yes, 12 people responded to the poll with "register all guns!", yet none of them can answer that simple prerequisite question. Isn't that interesting... That should tell them something about the efficacy of the idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #64 June 15, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuotei'm for gun registeration, along with capital punishment for gun crimes. Do you want capital punishment for knife crime too? Hmm, that's an interesting question... i don't know. Appropriate punishment, however it's defined. I could say that knife crime doesn't merit the capital punishment, but i won't be able to justify why gun crime deserves that punishment, and knife crime don't. Maybe assign punishment to the intent of the person commiting the crime? I don't know, haven't though this through yet. Well I'm glad I've made you think. Keep up the good work. Thank you for a refreshingly honest answer. Threatening someone with a knife should be no less serious than threatening someone with a gun. Both can be lethal, real quick. If you propose something for one instrument, you should do the same for the other instrument. So how about just assigning one punishment to anyone who threatens another with lethal force? And don't specify to which instruments it applies. It's the threat that is the crime, not what particular object they happen to have in their hand. Guns should not be singled out for any different treatment than any other weapon. "Intent" cannot be known. If they're displaying a weapon and threatening you with it, that's enough for an "aggravated" criminal charge. If they were just kidding and didn't really intend to do it, that doesn't count. What counts is the fear they made their victim feel, because the victim doesn't know whether they are kidding or not. And of course, every criminal that gets caught just claims: "I didn't intend to hurt anyone!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #65 June 15, 2006 Quoteguns get stolen. Yes, and then the registration database points to the former owner, who will be accused of committing crimes with that gun, rather than the person who stole it and actually did it. Quoteit makes it easier to identify the legally owned ones. Lets say the police stop someone who is carrying a gun. If it's not registered, it's one more illegal firearm off the street. So you're in favor of arresting people who are just walking down the street minding their own business and not bothering anyone, simply because their gun is not listed in some computer? Do some more reading on the news stories referenced in this forum about how rife with errors the gun registration databases are in Canada and England. The U.S. machine gun database is screwed up too. People go to jail because bureaucrats can't make proper entries and keep them straight. It should not be a crime to simply own a gun that is not in some government computer list. The only thing that should be a crime is when someone actually pulls that gun out and threatens another with it or uses it on them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #66 June 15, 2006 QuoteQuoteHow does a gun registry help prevent that? Lets say a man shoots his wife on impulse, after following her to a secret meeting with her toy boy, then dumps the gun. It wouldn't help prevent the crime, but it would help solve it quicker. If he took his gun with him when following his wife around because he was suspicious of an extra-marital affair, then that isn't "impulse", that's 1st-degree murder. And you assume that, 1) the gun would be recovered, 2) connected to the crime, and 3) not be a stolen gun that is untraceable back to the murderer. If I was going to murder someone, I'd sure as hell use a stolen gun registered to someone else. Woe is them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,117 #67 June 16, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote Lets also abolish registration for cars, planes and boats while we're about it. How does registering a plane prevent plane crashes? Put an end to all government intrusion. What's to abolish? You don't have to register motor vehicles that you don't intend to operate on public road ways, waters, or airspace. Not a whole lot of private airspace in the USA these days!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #68 June 16, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuotei'm for gun registeration, along with capital punishment for gun crimes. Do you want capital punishment for knife crime too? Hmm, that's an interesting question... i don't know. It's not interesting at all. If you kill someone, whether with a gun, a knife, a baseball bat, a board with a nail in it, your bare hands, an ice pick, etc. The crime is murder, that act is 'murder'. What the hell is a "gun" crime? It's a political position instead of a justice driven definition. Capital punishment is for major crimes. we should enforce that why is this considered hard? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,117 #69 June 16, 2006 Quote Capital punishment is for major crimes. we should enforce that why is this considered hard? Most countries get along just fine WITHOUT capital punishment. You make it sound like an axiom, when it is simply a choice that most advanced nations have declined to make.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #70 June 16, 2006 QuoteQuote Capital punishment is for major crimes. we should enforce that why is this considered hard? Most countries get along just fine WITHOUT capital punishment. You make it sound like an axiom, when it is simply a choice that most advanced nations have declined to make. good catch - i wasn't speaking to 'capital punishment' so much as why have a different punishment for the same crime when different weapons were used. The word 'capital' just came along for the ride that said, I do think the death penalty has a place, but not to be just thrown out in a general sense don't care what the other countries do no more than they care about our system - mainly because there is examples on both sides of the discussion. This is one we have to flesh out for ourselves. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #71 June 16, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote Capital punishment is for major crimes. we should enforce that why is this considered hard? Most countries get along just fine WITHOUT capital punishment. You make it sound like an axiom, when it is simply a choice that most advanced nations have declined to make. good catch - i wasn't speaking to 'capital punishment' so much as why have a different punishment for the same crime when different weapons were used. The word 'capital' just came along for the ride that said, I do think the death penalty has a place, but not to be just thrown out in a general sense don't care what the other countries do no more than they care about our system - mainly because there is examples on both sides of the discussion. This is one we have to flesh out for ourselves. I'm against the death penalty. I'd like to see the most hardened criminals on death row have their sentences commuted to life without parole and VERY hard labor. Let them spend the rest of their lives thinking about what they did. Each and every day, up at 4am to work until 9pm. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #72 June 16, 2006 I've always thought criminals should be made to work in recycling plants. It would be away to make recycling cheap & save material resources at the same time Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #73 June 16, 2006 Quote Let them spend the rest of their lives thinking about what they did. Each and every day, up at 4am to work until 9pm. I have no desire to make them suffer - that's revenge, not justice. Just want to efficiently remove them from the population so they can't do it ever again. Whether they are happy or miserable about it has no bearing on the decision one way or the other. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
twibbles 0 #74 June 16, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuotei'm for gun registeration, along with capital punishment for gun crimes. Do you want capital punishment for knife crime too? Hmm, that's an interesting question... i don't know. It's not interesting at all. If you kill someone, whether with a gun, a knife, a baseball bat, a board with a nail in it, your bare hands, an ice pick, etc. The crime is murder, that act is 'murder'. What the hell is a "gun" crime? It's a political position instead of a justice driven definition. Capital punishment is for major crimes. we should enforce that why is this considered hard? What if the person is just found walking down the street carrying a board with a nail in it, what should the punishment be for that? I agree with one of JohnRich's post, punish according to the threat, intent, or the crime itself. Doesn't matter how the crime is commited, it's the result of the crime that is important. One thought, if someone is shooting at an empty car with a rifle, is it just punishing the person for vandalism? Eugene "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
twibbles 0 #75 June 16, 2006 QuoteQuote Let them spend the rest of their lives thinking about what they did. Each and every day, up at 4am to work until 9pm. I have no desire to make them suffer - that's revenge, not justice. Just want to efficiently remove them from the population so they can't do it ever again. Whether they are happy or miserable about it has no bearing on the decision one way or the other. You run into the problem of having to decide what is considered a capital crime, and what isn't. Who decides when a life should be taken? If murder is a capital crime, how about an act if impulse, accidental killing, serial rapists, people who funds terrorism etc. where does it stop requiring capital punishment? I'm glad i don't have to decide it. Eugene "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
