Three detainees at Guantanamo Bay apparently committed suicide

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Those vicious self harmers..... how dare they threaten the all powerfull USofA..... Quick run for cover he's got Paracetamol.....


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It was a Monty Python Sketch, wasn't it?

The Life of Brian... The Crack Suicide Squad of The Judean People's Front burst into Pilate's room, draw their swords, run up to Pilate, and stab themselves!

Some people just don't know their history! They actually came at the end to rescue Brian from the cross.

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WORKER:
Huuuh! The Judean People's Front!
PARVUS:
The Judean People's Front!
OTTO:
Forward all!
WORKERS:
Look out! The Judean People's Front! The Judean People's Front!...
OTTO:
Ve are the Judean People's Front. Crack suicide squad. Suicide squad! Attack!
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J.P.F.:
Uh! Ugh. Aggh...
OTTO:
That showed 'em, huh? Oooh.
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BRIAN:
You silly sods.

But you're right, this time it just is not funny.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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The Onion?

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The Onion?

Quick, before you read the NewsMax or Fox spin, tell us what you REALLY think of what you just read. Believe it's a satire if that helps. Just be honest.

How do you personally feel, not yet having heard Rush Limbaugh tell you it's all good news, when you hear that a 4-year old "terrorist" has been killed by American bombs and bullets and it's now called an act of war AGAINST AMERICA?

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In Britain, Massoud Shadjareh, of the Islamic Human Rights Commission, said of the US officials' remarks: 'This is the sort of statement that SS officers in Nazi Germany would have been envious of.'" ([url "http://www.guardian.co.uk/guantanamo/story/0,,1795445,00.html"]The Guardian[/URL])

It's just possible -- just SLIGHTLY possible -- that even the republican apologists will find this too horrifying even for their own bloodlust.

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It's just possible -- just SLIGHTLY possible -- that even the republican apologists will find this too horrifying even for their own bloodlust.

Ok - under the assumption that it's not satire....

Of two very horrifying acts, what's more horrifying?

1 - That a 4 year old is killed in a defensive action (shot by a defender because he's wearing a bomb and approaching a populated area) or;
2 - That their OWN culture would do this to them (teach the parents to actually strap that bomb on the child in the first place).

Do you pity the soldier (who has to unwillingly pull that trigger) more than the parent (who did it willingly)?

One thing, if true, then it's a clear indication that just about anyone understands the power of public opinion via a biased press - and that those who are most evil are most capable of twisting the press to get public opinion on their side. They would be the ones willing to lie and make dramatic and heinous acts. The more dishonest will always be more able to have the press sympathetic to them.

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The more dishonest will always be more able to have the press sympathetic to them.

For personal reasons I will not answer your direct question. Take that as you will.

However, your closing comment seems quite important.

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Take that as you will.

I read a book where the greatest soldier in the story would weep as he fought. He took no pleasure in it, even though the enemy was the aggressor and clearly had evil intent. He only did it because it was necessary.

I see a soldier having to fire on a suicide civilian of any age as being represented by that fictional character. I can't understand the cultural forces that would drive a parent to put a child purposely into harm just to affect public opinion for political or religious purposes (both or equivalent to me and read as power structure).

This is general enough that everybody can apply this to whichever side of the conflict they are currently getting their coolaid from.....

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where three inmates hung themselves in an apparent 'coordinated attack' against US troops stationed there.

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I believe this was not an act of desperation, but an act of asymmetrical warfare waged against us."

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"The four year old in particular was obviously coached to look guilty."

Oh boy... I'm usually good at spotting such things but ... well ... this is a satire, right?

LMAO Sureal!

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
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Ok - under the assumption that it's not satire....

Of two very horrifying acts, what's more horrifying?

1 - That a 4 year old is killed in a defensive action (shot by a defender because he's wearing a bomb and approaching a populated area) or;
2 - That their OWN culture would do this to them (teach the parents to actually strap that bomb on the child in the first place).

Under the assumption that its not satire...

A) Hypothetically No2 is worse.

B) Neither of those acts are relevant to what's being talked about.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Neither of those acts are relevant to what's being talked about.

??? take it to BV then, he started this tangent and the inference to the original subject line seems pretty obvious - if a bit of an extrapolation

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

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Islamic Human Rights Commission

Bwahahahahahah... yeah, right...whooo hooo...

Lots of credibility there.

I wonder if they are associated with this group?

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??? take it to BV then, he started this tangent and the inference to the original subject line seems pretty obvious - if a bit of an extrapolation

Thats what I'm saying, in BV's article the kid did nothing wrong except stay in his own home after the IED went off and look 'especially guilty'.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Islamic Human Rights Commission

Bwahahahahahah... yeah, right...whooo hooo...

Lots of credibility there.

I wonder if they are associated with this group?

Please note that you're responding to my post, but you're quoting warpedskydiver who, if I can be so bold, posts on your side of most issues.

Your outrage is aimed at yourself (which makes this one of the few times I've felt any affinity to anything you've written on dropzone.)

First Class Citizen Twice Over

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Well played, BV...well played. It's very telling, to say the least, no?

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Michele

~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~

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Your outrage is aimed at yourself (which makes this one of the few times I've felt any affinity to anything you've written on dropzone.)

That is very sad

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
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Please note that you're responding to my post, but you're quoting warpedskydiver who, if I can be so bold, posts on your side of most issues.

Aren't you the one who quoted them a few posts back? I may need to double check...but I could've sworn you had.

Ah. I understand the error.
Narcimund said, as a response to someone else (WSD):

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How do you personally feel, not yet having heard Rush Limbaugh tell you it's all good news, when you hear that a 4-year old "terrorist" has been killed by American bombs and bullets and it's now called an act of war AGAINST AMERICA?


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In Britain, Massoud Shadjareh, of the Islamic Human Rights Commission, said of the US officials' remarks: 'This is the sort of statement that SS officers in Nazi Germany would have been envious of.'" (The Guardian)

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Narcimund said:
It's just possible -- just SLIGHTLY possible -- that even the republican apologists will find this too horrifying even for their own bloodlust.

So I see how it could've been mistaken for you saying it. After all, you are using it to anchor a perjorative sentence about republican apologists.

I get it now!

Ciels-
Michele

~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~

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My error. Narcimund, you're the one who brought that into the conversation...you used the quote as a function to make that link stand alone? Despite several searches, and perhaps I'm blind...but I couldn't find where WSD made that comment in the original context.

Can you clear this up for me? Thanks.

Ciels-
Michele

~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~

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Islamic Human Rights Commission

Bwahahahahahah... yeah, right...whooo hooo...

Lots of credibility there.

I wonder if they are associated with this group?

Please note that you're responding to my post, but you're quoting warpedskydiver who, if I can be so bold, posts on your side of most issues.

Your outrage is aimed at yourself (which makes this one of the few times I've felt any affinity to anything you've written on dropzone.)

Really...... now? Perhaps you could enlighten us as to which post number in this thread Warpedskydiver made that you were quoting from.

I gotta tell ya. The education level in this country..........

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Really...... now? Perhaps you could enlighten us as to which post number in this thread Warpedskydiver made that you were quoting from.

I gotta tell ya.

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They are guilty of trying to plot attacks aginst the U.S. If you have been in the face of these people you would feel different. But you hide at home and critize the gov't. for protecting you. Were there any trials in WW1 or WW2 NO!!. Caught in the act means guilty.

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Really...... now? Perhaps you could enlighten us as to which post number in this thread Warpedskydiver made that you were quoting from.

I gotta tell ya.

hey Narci?...yack yack yack!!!!

The first mention of that Islamic Human Rights Commission is by YOU!!!!!

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They are guilty of trying to plot attacks aginst the U.S.

Uhh yeah, except for all the ones that aren't

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Were there any trials in WW1 or WW2 NO!!.

Funnily enough my Aunt just came back from Germany, she had a photo of a rather amusing street sign - "Nuremberg, famous for its gingerbread!" Would you agree with that?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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They are guilty of trying to plot attacks aginst the U.S.

They are? When was the trial?

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If you have been in the face of these people you would feel different.

I have. Been to Iran on vacation. Nice people. Very hospitable. Really no different from Americans in their day to day worries and opinions.

Oh! You mean been in the military! Been there as well. Done my share of tabin' & Slottin'. Walked backwards. "Seen the Elephant" as Americans would put it.

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But you hide at home and critize the gov't. for protecting you.

I'll criticise the government the same way I criticise ANY under-performing employee. They work for me!

One thing I've found common to any (well adjusted) former military with actual combat experience is that they DON'T want their successors going where they've been. I'd far rather our troops had first hand experience in water-skiing & abseiling than first hand experience in fighting & killing.

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Were there any trials in WW1 or WW2 NO!!.

YES!! They're well documented. The British Government is still issuing the occasional posthumous pardon for guilty verdicts at Field Courts Martial from WWI

Similarly in WWII, there were plenty of folk punished AFTER DUE PROCESS! See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_crimes

The other well documented item is US Military treatment of prisoners! A fine tradition going all the way back to the American Civil War, continued through the end of WWII, and still alive today at Gitmo (& elsewhere?) today. see: http://www.fpp.co.uk/History/General/Bacque/Brech2002.html among many others (mostly in German).

Mike.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.