"Not Just One Pilot: We ALL Got That SOB"

[Guest]

Great little essay about Zowie getting his....

We ALL got that SOB.

Some grandmother somewhere in America works in a factory soldering wires to a harness that will connect to a little square box containing a little projection camera for an F-16 Heads Up Display.

A young man or woman a year removed from high school pulled pins from 500lb bombs on a hot desert tarmac.

Another kid in America works in a foundry pouring hot aluminum alloys which will eventually find its way to the compressor stage of the F-100 engine that will power an F-16 from a runway.

Someone in America sang in a church choir on Sunday, and on Monday was holding a rivet gun, helping build another warplane, which will help keep us free.

Some group of brave men in the darkness, shined a little laser beam against a building.

Some geeky American, known for his/her math skills wrote a little program that turns numbers into coordinates.

Some young American decided to become a pilot after watching the Thunderbirds or Blue Angels put on a show.

Some American you or I will never meet, had an idea, which became GPS.

Some kid who last year was dancing at a Prom pulled the chocks.

Some kid wiped the canopy that a year ago was wiping car windshields in their summer job at the local car wash back home.

Someone working in a rubber factory had no idea that his or her work product was tucking itself into its bay as the pilot brought up the gear 20 ft off the deck.

Some little American girl who years ago was all about MTV and CDs gave a vector, cleared hot.

Some pilots did their job.

SHACK, baby.

AMERICA got that son of a bitch.

Every damn one of us.

All I can say is that before he died, I hope it hurt like hell.

This one's for Nick Berg.

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mh

"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

[akarunway 1]

Well said---------------------------------------------------

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[miked10270 0]

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Some geeky American, known for his/her math skills wrote a little program that turns numbers into coordinates.

Some American you or I will never meet, had an idea, which became GPS.

That'd be Ivan Getting, with due credit to the original inventor of the idea... John Harrison.

Mike.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

[Dancergirl 0]

am i the only one getting a little bored about all the flag waving, stand to attention with an erection... we are great, oh look at what we can do.... rhetoric from certain americans on here?

and before you say "you don't have to read it" of course i bloody do !!! how else do you find out if a topic is what you want to read unless you read it ????

[Lucky... 0]

Some corporation is donating millions to the Bush, now the McCain campaign fund so we have lots of promise for current/future war.......

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That'd be Ivan Getting, with due credit to the original inventor of the idea... John Harrison.

Roger Easton invented modern GPS, not Getting.

Owned by Remi #?

[Royd 0]

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am i the only one getting a little bored about all the flag waving, .. we are great, oh look at what we can do.... rhetoric from certain americans on here?

First off, it's American with a capital A.
For someone who got your ass pulled out of the fire by the bloody Yanks,you sure sound like an ingrate.

To answer your question. No. Every liberal, socialistic, God hating person, who despises excellence, is crying in their beer right about now.

I say "God bless the USA, and anyone who stands beside us."

[jimmytavino 16]

well said... It's wearing thin on me too, and not just here...it seems that NO ONE has a real grasp on the mess which is occuring in that part of the world This is a cultural and historic part of our planet, that has a deep deep religious, tribal and geopolitical past...much of which we ( The US Citizens and their Govt. ) know less about, than we think we do...
Our US "intelligence" has proven to be wrong in many instances past, and now, the projected "response" from the citizens of the countries which we now occupy is also proving to be skewed.....
We are the only ones here using 'weapons of Mass destruction' ( which is what i would consider a 500 pound laser guided bomb to be) and the recent killing of this one murderer, and his cohorts, does little to change the playing field...except to cast the US once more, as co -killers, only ones who use precision weapons instead of crude bombs and improvised explosive devices.

War????? well some can Rah Rah Rah etc all they like ,, encourage it , defend it etc etc. but for me I am sad for everyone involved... there's never really a winner in WAR...
I'll support the troops and thank them for their service, hoping they return safely. But the Heads of State wordwide, and especially The current US Pres. for whom I and many others, never voted, have led us down the wrong path and the world is worse off for it imho

[Dancergirl 0]

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am i the only one getting a little bored about all the flag waving, .. we are great, oh look at what we can do.... rhetoric from certain americans on here?

First off, it's American with a capital A.
For someone who got your ass pulled out of the fire by the bloody Yanks,you sure sound like an ingrate.

To answer your question. No. Every liberal, socialistic, God hating person, who despises excellence, is crying in their beer right about now.

I say "God bless the USA, and anyone who stands beside us."

LOL

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First off, it's American with a capital A.

Oh my god. I really can't believe it's come to this level of dialogue.

Can anyone recommend a forum where the content of argument is a bit more worthwhile?

First Class Citizen Twice Over

[JohnRich 4]

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am i the only one getting a little bored about all the flag waving, stand to attention with an erection... we are great, oh look at what we can do.... rhetoric from certain americans on here?

Would you prefer that Zarqawi still be alive to carry out more of his murderous acts?

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am i the only one getting a little bored about all the flag waving, stand to attention with an erection... we are great, oh look at what we can do.... rhetoric from certain americans on here?

Would you prefer that Zarqawi still be alive to carry out more of his murderous acts?

I think Mr Zarqawi is fine screwing 72 virgins or whatever they think they do when the die. We should now move down to the next in the list, that would be Mr Bin Laden followed by Mr Bush and those pesky marines if it is proven that they did what seems they did in Haditha. Why should restrict divine justice to only one side.

By the way john, what punishment would fit, in your opinion, those marines if it is proven they targeted innocent civilians? I asked before that question but no war-supporter have given me an answer.

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Can anyone recommend a forum where the content of argument is a bit more worthwhile?

There's a thread in the Women's forum about being bi or lesbian, would that better suit you? LOL But seriously, I'm with you on this one LJ.

xj

"I wouldn't recommend picking a fight with the earth...but then I wouldn't recommend picking a fight with a car either, and that's having tried both."

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Can anyone recommend a forum where the content of argument is a bit more worthwhile?

There's a thread in the Women's forum about being bi or lesbian, would that better suit you? LOL But seriously, I'm with you on this one LJ.

I would much rather read about Flyinghonu's 3-some any day of the week.........

Edit to add:Ironically, Micheal Berg is a total pacifist and had nothing good to say about the death of his sons killer and even took the opportunity to slam Bush.

"Some call it heavenly in it's brilliance,
others mean and rueful of the western dream"

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well said... It's wearing thin on me too, and not just here...it seems that NO ONE has a real grasp on the mess which is occuring in that part of the world This is a cultural and historic part of our planet, that has a deep deep religious, tribal and geopolitical past...much of which we ( The US Citizens and their Govt. ) know less about, than we think we do...
Our US "intelligence" has proven to be wrong in many instances past, and now, the projected "response" from the citizens of the countries which we now occupy is also proving to be skewed.....
We are the only ones here using 'weapons of Mass destruction' ( which is what i would consider a 500 pound laser guided bomb to be) and the recent killing of this one murderer, and his cohorts, does little to change the playing field...except to cast the US once more, as co -killers, only ones who use precision weapons instead of crude bombs and improvised explosive devices.

War????? well some can Rah Rah Rah etc all they like ,, encourage it , defend it etc etc. but for me I am sad for everyone involved... there's never really a winner in WAR...
I'll support the troops and thank them for their service, hoping they return safely. But the Heads of State wordwide, and especially The current US Pres. for whom I and many others, never voted, have led us down the wrong path and the world is worse off for it imho

500-pound LGMs (laser-guided munitions) are not considered to be WMD.

WMDs are NBC (nuclear, biological, chemical) with respect to nations.

You would be correct with respect to individuals. Here in the USA, ownership of weapons of war like mortars, RPGs, etc. are severely restricted because they are classed as WMDs in that context.

It is, however, lawful to own such items, (e.g., field artillery, machine guns), provided they are not unlawful in the state in which one resides, and proper Federal paperwork and regulations are complied with.

Saddam was also harboring known terrorists before the incursion, including Abu Nidal and Zowie (both of whom are now thankfully dead).

Any yes, I agree that the piece was a bit Rah-Rah, but so what? And there are victors in wars. That would be us the last two times (WW2 and the Cold War). Some folks have short memories, I guess.

mh

"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

[Royd 0]

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Any yes, I agree that the piece was a bit Rah-Rah, but so what? And there are victors in wars. That would be us the last two times (WW2 and the Cold War). Some folks have short memories, I guess.

Those people who say there are no winners are probably the same ones who want to eliminate scoring from Little League games, and grades from report cards, because there just shouldn't be any winners and losers in life, which suggests to me that they've never won at anything.

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Any yes, I agree that the piece was a bit Rah-Rah, but so what? And there are victors in wars. That would be us the last two times (WW2 and the Cold War). Some folks have short memories, I guess.

Those people who say there are no winners are probably the same ones who want to eliminate scoring from Little League games, and grades from report cards, because there just shouldn't be any winners and losers in life, which suggests to me that they've never won at anything.

And dumbing the rest of us down...PUSSIES. They're doing their kids and their society a grave disservice. There is a pecking order in the human kingdom as well as in the animal kingdom, and trying to wish it away with granola-headed social engineering is sadly misguided.

mh

"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

[jimmytavino 16]

..ok,,,,,I stand corrected... but 'destruction' is in the eye of the beholder. Thanks for pointing out that ownership of field artillery and machine guns is legal in the US... apparently it's also "legal"
in Iraq, Afganistan and many parts of the world...since it seems everyone is carrying such weaponry and usually firing it off,, chaotically and irresponsibly.....I don't see where that's such a good thing...Where did all those weapons and the ammunition to feed them.. come from anyway???? Russia?? the US ??... ya' know??? the scenario was put into motion years ago, decades ago,, and mostly by poor "'foriegn policy" on the part of many countries...
I do agree that Saddam, was ruthless, harbored those who thought evil, about the west.. and there is no denying that he killed many and had to go... But a protracted War.. which lingers on is hard to accept....
As to winners and losers....... we ALL should experience a good degee of each,,,As I have , throughout my life...Sure,, I'd endorse "no score little league" any day, and emphasize the fun and the "game" while doing so, but I'd also point out, as any good coach should,,, that there will come a time,, when we play "for keeps" and winning and losing will be a part of THAT.... (just be sure to win,,, alot more than you lose)
Do not mistake a low tolerance for war, and fighting, and killing, and interference in the cultural and political life of others, on my part...
as some pacifist 'weakness',, as some voice of a loser.....if you did you'd be wrong....But winning can be done cooperatively and not only by defeating the opponent...I do not advocate "dumbing down" anybody !! and I hope you didn't call me a Pussy....
For you and I guess for everyone,,, I hope there IS a winner in war>>> and if so,,,, let's just get on.. to it.. and have this thing done...
jmy

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I did not say "legal", for that implies that one could mosey down to the hardware store and drive off with a howitzer.

What I said was "not unlawful", and that is an important distinction. Such materials are subject to numerous and complicated federal restrictions and fees, but if the state in which one resides does not prohibit them, they can be owned and operated. There is a heavy regulatory burden borne by those who own what are known as "Class III" firearms (full-auto machine guns), but if one is willing to go through all the hassle of ownership (federal background investigation, fingerprinting, fees, etc., to say nothing of the sheer expense of feeding such beasts), then have at it and have fun.

There is also a distinction in locale that I wish to point out. Sure, you can go to most anywhere in the Third World world and pick yourself up a ChiCom AK, but those are places where near-anarchy reigns, not the rule of law as in the First World (I will also point out that under the current rules of the US occupation of Iraq, local families there are allowed one firearm per household).

And with US $400 Billion in military spending worldwide every year, the US has plenty of company in the arms business.

Yes, a protracted war is hard on everyone, especially those who have lost loved ones in it, ours as well as theirs.

"Only the dead have seen the end of war." - Plato

I have a low tolerance for war and conflict, and prefer to resolve disputes in a diplomatic "win-win" manner, but our enemy doesn't work that way. They want every one of us dead (not even converted to their sick, twisted religion), and that's all there is to it. The time for talk is long past. We've drawn the sword, and it won't go back into its scabbard for a long time to come.

And in the thread we were remarking generally on the feminization of society, which is well-intended, but misguided (and you know which road is paved with good intentions).

So no, I wasn't calling you a pussy. Personal attacks aren't allowed here, and I've only done it once in the 4 years I've been on this forum.

Besides, you strike me as a thoughtful, reasonable person, not a knee-jerk reactionary, and it's always fun to engage in lively debate with intelligent people (just ask billvon).

mh

"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

[Darius11 12]

It’s sad really.

30000 + dead, billions of dollars spent and one dude who actully had a part in 9-11 is dead. WOW

Any one dancing in the streets over this? How about waving the flag and feeling extreemly proud?

I would have disagree with markharju, I didn’t do it and I know a few people who would stand and say they were againts the Iraq war from the begning. 30000 + dead for one guy?????????? I don’t know in whos mind that’s a fair traid or a win. How many billions of dollars have been spent?


Was the guy a bad dude? yes. Good thing he was killed? Yes

Is this really the victory that it is made out to be, or is it the lack of victories in this war makes this killing of one evil man a big deal.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[Guest]

You're expressing it in monetary and military terms, in which case you would be right. He's just one dead R-HIFW, no big deal.

Politically, however, it is very significant, as much or more so than the capturing of Saddam.

mh

"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

[Darius11 12]

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Politically, however, it is very significant, as much or more so than the capturing of Saddam

I hope your right, trust me nothing would make me happier then being wrong about the Iraq war.

It would be great to see a real democracy in Iraq. I am still afraid at best we will have a theocracy (much like Iran) and that will not be good for anyone.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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Any one dancing in the streets over this?

No. That act is reserved for Palestinians who do it when successful mass murders take place in the West.

. . =(_8^(1)

[Darius11 12]

good to see we are so much more civilized.


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Al-Zarqawi Lived for 52 Minutes After Strike

Lets drink to that he suffered Yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy Yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[billvon 3,132]

>>Any one dancing in the streets over this?

>No.

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Iraqi Shiites celebrate news of Zarqawi's demise

By Agence France Presse (AFP)
Friday, June 09, 2006

BAGHDAD: Jubilant Iraqi Shiites distributed sweets and jumped for joy in the streets Thursday to celebrate the killing of Al-Qaeda chief in Iraq Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who had declared all-out war on their community. In the capital's Shiite-dominant Kadhemiyya neighborhood, women and children were seen distributing chocolates to Iraqi soldiers as they danced in the streets.

Iraqi army soldiers were also seen dancing at city checkpoints, while in the neighborhood's revered Al-Kadhem shrine many Shiites were seen offering prayers to thank Allah for the death of country's most wanted militant.

Seventy-year-old Shiite woman Shams Abdullah came to the shrine to anoint herself with henna as a symbol to thank God for Zarqawi's death.

"My sons were killed in 2005 by Zarqawi's people as they traveled between Ramadi and Fallujah," she told AFP, naming Iraq's two most restive cities in the west, a one-time operational ground of Zarqawi.

"We don't need water, we don't need electricity, the most important is that Zarqawi is dead," said Majid Hashem al-Assadi, 60.