rushmc 23 #1 June 8, 2006 http://www.givemeliberty.org/RTP2/Updates/2006-06-07.htm"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #2 June 8, 2006 Quotehttp://www.givemeliberty.org/RTP2/Updates/2006-06-07.htm With all this war stuff I forgot about Bob Schulz. I'm not familiar with this recent campaign but I remember he was heavy into the "income tax is illegal" thing a few years ago. He had some pretty good arguments. I need to revisit that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #3 June 8, 2006 You know, even given all the left right (you and me) disagreements on different topics, I think we agree that the constitution, the rights it gaurentees and the power being with the people is what is most important. Before Schutz I did not know about the last 10 words of the first amendment. This could be a very big change to pull back big government and restrictions on some liberties."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #4 June 8, 2006 QuoteYou know, even given all the left right (you and me) disagreements on different topics, I think we agree that the constitution, the rights it gaurentees and the power being with the people is what is most important. Yep. It would be nice if our lawmakers would sit down and read it every once in a while. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #5 June 8, 2006 QuoteQuoteYou know, even given all the left right (you and me) disagreements on different topics, I think we agree that the constitution, the rights it gaurentees and the power being with the people is what is most important. Yep. It would be nice if our lawmakers would sit down and read it every once in a while. I bet most have never read it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zoobrothertom 5 #6 June 8, 2006 ""I bet most have never read it."" You're right on it there. Most people, choose your country (insert country name here _______), have no clue about the actual laws that govern their country. Before I went to law school, I "knew" my rights. Most folks in the US don't realize that their rights are built upon a 200 year history of Supreme Court decisons or laws passed, ignored and finally reviewed by the Supremes. Right to an attorney? Hah, not before the mid 20th century (early 60's or so). Equal rights (hell, choose your poison - sex, religion, handicap, schooling, voting, etc.) 60's again or even later! Miranda warning? You had the right to a hollywood style good cop bad cop interview. Who were you trying to kid 40 years ago! Hell, until the 60's, a cop could basically tear your car apart from end to end without probable cause. Warrants? Uhh, welcome to the mid 20th century for regular folks. So, you might ask, what am I driving at? Until I read this post, I never paid attention to those last 10 words of the 1st Amendment (which BTW, weren't passed until 1789 and ratified in 1791). "...and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." This was not covered in law school. I challenge any law school grads to even recall if it was mentioned, much less discussed! Look at my list above. When your grandparents heard about them they were surprised! A cop has to warn you before he questions you?! I get an attorney!? Black kids in my school?! Women get equal pay?! I have to hire jews/catholics...?! Just like all changes, it takes someone with balls. Will they succeed? I don't know. Should they try? HELL YES!! Good luck____________________________________ I'm back in the USA!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
