masterrig 1 #26 June 7, 2006 QuoteQuoteHear, hear! You frame it as if you're agreeing with the post you're responding to, but it sure looks like you're talking from a completely different viewpoint. ____________________________ I can understand empathy and I hear what he is saying. I guess, you're right. I do have a different view of the situation. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #27 June 7, 2006 QuoteYou're just saying that cuz you hate me from - you know, that other thread. I'd say that to anyone stupid enough to think he/she speaks on behalf of the forum. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #28 June 7, 2006 >I think, every illegal in this country should be gathered-up >and returned to their native country. What? So just let em go free? What sort of illegal-immigrant-loving liberal . . . . Just kidding. I agree with most of your post, although I think it would be incredibly expensive/difficult to pull off. I mean, how do you even start? There are around 7 million illegal immigrants living in the US, and they don't come with orange hair or anything for easy identification. Nor do we have 'citizen identification cards.' You'd almost have to go door to door and ask to see birth certificates, green cards or citizenship papers, and be ready to spend days with each case. (Heck, I couldn't find my birth certificate in five minutes if someone came to my door! Could you?) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #29 June 7, 2006 Quote>Just kidding. I agree with most of your post, although I think it would be incredibly expensive/difficult to pull off. I mean, how do you even start? There are around 7 million illegal immigrants living in the US, and they don't come with ...other stuff It's simple, everyone with a Soc Sec card gets some orange paint and they paint their ears. Anyone with flesh colored ears gets rounded up. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #30 June 7, 2006 QuoteQuoteYou're just saying that cuz you hate me from - you know, that other thread. I'd say that to anyone stupid enough to think he/she speaks on behalf of the forum. <> You're so mean to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #31 June 7, 2006 QuoteYou'd almost have to go door to door and ask to see birth certificates "Almost"?? It's way worse than that. You'd see house-to-house searches with air support and tanks in the street. Without that, people who don't want to be found could simply hide or skip from house to house ahead of the government agents. Don't think this would be like census-taking. Nobody minds the census, but illegals would resist being rounded up. This would have to be an armed occupation and 24-hour curfews until the search was complete. Of course that wouldn't be enough either. There's LOTS of places to hide in the country. To do an even half-decent job the search would continue for years. But I suppose military occupation and martial law is the price for living in a free country. And besides, the US federal government is learning so much about how to do it well in Iraq! First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #32 June 7, 2006 Quote>Coming to the US only for the purpose of getting a better paying job >is hardly a desparate situation. If that better paying job allows you to feed your kids and afford medical care for them - then it's about as desperate. Heck, while I'd rather no one emigrate illegally, if it was a choice between people working illegally or stealing bread, I'd rather have em working. I see. So if I could only afford to feed my children macoroni and cheese, you'd have no problem with the Govt. sanctioning me breaking into your house and stealing your steaks? Don't get me wrong. I think one of the reasons S.A. is having problems is because companies have moved their manufacturing to cheaper labor markets in Asia. Of course if they hadn't, people in Asia would be starving instead. I do not believe the answer to the problem is to just open our borders and just say "come on in". Their are supposedly 800 million people worldwide living in poverty. Do you think we should open our borders to them too? Where do you draw the line? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #33 June 7, 2006 >So if I could only afford to feed my children macoroni and cheese, > you'd have no problem with the Govt. sanctioning me breaking into > your house and stealing your steaks? No. Like I said, I'd rather you work for your money than steal the food. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #34 June 7, 2006 Quote>I think, every illegal in this country should be gathered-up >and returned to their native country. What? So just let em go free? What sort of illegal-immigrant-loving liberal . . . . Just kidding. I agree with most of your post, although I think it would be incredibly expensive/difficult to pull off. I mean, how do you even start? There are around 7 million illegal immigrants living in the US, and they don't come with orange hair or anything for easy identification. Nor do we have 'citizen identification cards.' You'd almost have to go door to door and ask to see birth certificates, green cards or citizenship papers, and be ready to spend days with each case. (Heck, I couldn't find my birth certificate in five minutes if someone came to my door! Could you?) ________________________________ Your opening sentence, brought me a good laugh. Thanks! All seriousness aside... Yes, that would be a tremendous task, especially the way so many of them have acclimated. I was just saying what I think. Also, I think, the figure is closer to 12-million... oops... just saw 30 of 'em pass by.Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #35 June 7, 2006 Quote>I think, every illegal in this country should be gathered-up >and returned to their native country. What? So just let em go free? What sort of illegal-immigrant-loving liberal . . . . Just kidding. I agree with most of your post, although I think it would be incredibly expensive/difficult to pull off. I mean, how do you even start? There are around 7 million illegal immigrants living in the US, and they don't come with orange hair or anything for easy identification. Nor do we have 'citizen identification cards.' You'd almost have to go door to door and ask to see birth certificates, green cards or citizenship papers, and be ready to spend days with each case. (Heck, I couldn't find my birth certificate in five minutes if someone came to my door! Could you?) A good place to start would be to go after people who employ illegals. Make it too risky to hire them b/c of the threat of heavy fines, which could escalate to jail for repeated offenses, and you'd have a good start. I also like the idea of setting up immigration offices in S.A. and have employers contact them and request workers. Once an immigrant had a job lined up in the U.S. with a sponser, and had a background check, they could come in. Once the employer was finished with them, thay could stay for a designated period of time until they got another job. There would naturally be details to be worked out, but it is a workable solution and at least a good start. Just because we can't round all illegals up at once and send them back home doesn't mean we shouldn't do anything. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #36 June 7, 2006 QuoteQuote>I think, every illegal in this country should be gathered-up >and returned to their native country. What? So just let em go free? What sort of illegal-immigrant-loving liberal . . . . Just kidding. I agree with most of your post, although I think it would be incredibly expensive/difficult to pull off. I mean, how do you even start? There are around 7 million illegal immigrants living in the US, and they don't come with orange hair or anything for easy identification. Nor do we have 'citizen identification cards.' You'd almost have to go door to door and ask to see birth certificates, green cards or citizenship papers, and be ready to spend days with each case. (Heck, I couldn't find my birth certificate in five minutes if someone came to my door! Could you?) A good place to start would be to go after people who employ illegals. Make it too risky to hire them b/c of the threat of heavy fines, which could escalate to jail for repeated offenses, and you'd have a good start. _________________________________ There ya' go! I think, it's been established that the problem is not so much the illegals but rather, those who employ them. The politicians don't want to do that though. Then, where would a lot of their 'perks' come from. There's another point. The politicians! They started to 'discuss' the illegal problem but, they dropped it to discuss whether or not we should have a Constitutional ammendment to allow gays and lesbians to marry. They won't admit it but, due to the fact there is an election on the horizon, they don't want to muddy the waters and lose the hispanic vote so, they come up with this bright idea. I have noticed though, some of the National Guard is on the Southwest Border, building a wall. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites livendive 8 #37 June 7, 2006 QuoteA good place to start would be to go after people who employ illegals. Make it too risky to hire them b/c of the threat of heavy fines, which could escalate to jail for repeated offenses, and you'd have a good start. I also like the idea of setting up immigration offices in S.A. and have employers contact them and request workers. Once an immigrant had a job lined up in the U.S. with a sponser, and had a background check, they could come in. Once the employer was finished with them, thay could stay for a designated period of time until they got another job. There would naturally be details to be worked out, but it is a workable solution and at least a good start. Just because we can't round all illegals up at once and send them back home doesn't mean we shouldn't do anything. I agree with this post. And while a wide-scale deportation effort isn't really feasible, we could certainly do something about them as we come across them. Seizure of cash/assets prior to sending them back (and perhaps a couple months in lock-up during which they can't send money home) should help decrease the motivation for illegal entry. Note I'm not advocating punishment so much as removal of positive reinforcement. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterrig 1 #38 June 7, 2006 QuoteQuoteA good place to start would be to go after people who employ illegals. Make it too risky to hire them b/c of the threat of heavy fines, which could escalate to jail for repeated offenses, and you'd have a good start. I also like the idea of setting up immigration offices in S.A. and have employers contact them and request workers. Once an immigrant had a job lined up in the U.S. with a sponser, and had a background check, they could come in. Once the employer was finished with them, thay could stay for a designated period of time until they got another job. There would naturally be details to be worked out, but it is a workable solution and at least a good start. Just because we can't round all illegals up at once and send them back home doesn't mean we shouldn't do anything. I agree with this post. And while a wide-scale deportation effort isn't really feasible, we could certainly do something about them as we come across them. Seizure of cash/assets prior to sending them back (and perhaps a couple months in lock-up during which they can't send money home) should help decrease the motivation for illegal entry. Note I'm not advocating punishment so much as removal of positive reinforcement. Blues, Dave ________________________________ You mentioned something about the money they send 'home'. Why not tax the hell out of what they send. I don't care if it's a nickel... tax it. So many folks are pushing for taxes on beer and cigarettes, why not tax the money being sent out of this country to countries South of our border? That, is a multi-billion dollar business. At least, it would take some of the heat off of beer drinkers! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #39 June 7, 2006 QuoteThere ya' go! I think, it's been established that the problem is not so much the illegals but rather, those who employ them. The politicians don't want to do that though. Then, where would a lot of their 'perks' come from. There's another point. The politicians! They started to 'discuss' the illegal problem but, they dropped it to discuss whether or not we should have a Constitutional ammendment to allow gays and lesbians to marry. They won't admit it but, due to the fact there is an election on the horizon, they don't want to muddy the waters and lose the hispanic vote so, they come up with this bright idea. I have noticed though, some of the National Guard is on the Southwest Border, building a wall. Bingo. You nailed it, dude. Distraction from the important issues. We'll see how well it plays in November. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites livendive 8 #40 June 7, 2006 QuoteYou mentioned something about the money they send 'home'. Why not tax the hell out of what they send. I don't care if it's a nickel... tax it. So many folks are pushing for taxes on beer and cigarettes, why not tax the money being sent out of this country to countries South of our border? That, is a multi-billion dollar business. At least, it would take some of the heat off of beer drinkers! I wasn't talking about those here on work visas, but rather those here illegally. If we can get close enough to tax them, we're close enough to deport them. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterrig 1 #41 June 7, 2006 QuoteQuoteYou mentioned something about the money they send 'home'. Why not tax the hell out of what they send. I don't care if it's a nickel... tax it. So many folks are pushing for taxes on beer and cigarettes, why not tax the money being sent out of this country to countries South of our border? That, is a multi-billion dollar business. At least, it would take some of the heat off of beer drinkers! I wasn't talking about those here on work visas, but rather those here illegally. If we can get close enough to tax them, we're close enough to deport them. Blues, Dave ________________________________ I thought you made it quite clear as for differentiating the two. Not only would we get close enough to deport them but, just make it 'rough' on them. Take the 'glamour' out of the illegals being here. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #42 June 7, 2006 QuoteTake the 'glamour' out of the illegals being here. There's glamour in being here illegally? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterrig 1 #43 June 7, 2006 QuoteQuoteTake the 'glamour' out of the illegals being here. There's glamour in being here illegally? ________________________________ Then too, they might think so. Who's going to do anything about it? That's what they 'know'. They're here and the everyday citizen wouldn't know the difference. They have the Escalades, Expeditions, duallies and the like. Maybe it is glamorous for them. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #44 June 7, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteTake the 'glamour' out of the illegals being here. There's glamour in being here illegally? ________________________________ Then too, they might think so. Who's going to do anything about it? That's what they 'know'. They're here and the everyday citizen wouldn't know the difference. They have the Escalades, Expeditions, duallies and the like. Maybe it is glamorous for them. Chuck Gotch. Sorta a bad-boy machismo thing. "Hey, baby, Im a Border-buster." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterrig 1 #45 June 7, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteTake the 'glamour' out of the illegals being here. There's glamour in being here illegally? ________________________________ Then too, they might think so. Who's going to do anything about it? That's what they 'know'. They're here and the everyday citizen wouldn't know the difference. They have the Escalades, Expeditions, duallies and the like. Maybe it is glamorous for them. Chuck Gotch. Sorta a bad-boy machismo thing. "Hey, baby, Im a Border-buster." _______________________________________ Yessir! Come on down here... I'll give you the 'nickel tour'! It'll give you an idea of the 'situation'. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #46 June 8, 2006 QuoteYou mentioned something about the money they send 'home'. Why not tax the hell out of what they send. I don't care if it's a nickel... tax it. Interesting idea in principle; but on a practical level, how do you implement it in a way that's feasible? They get paid in cash. Anyone can convert cash into a bank draft at any bank, or even just a money order at the 7-Eleven, no questions asked. How does the kid behind counter at the 7-Eleven differentiate between a money order destined to be cashed inside the US from one destined to be sent outside the US. Do you propose to have every piece of mail sent outside the US opened & inspected for its contents? Even if it were, how would the inspector know whether the person sending the mail is a citizen, legal immigrant or illegal immigrant? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterrig 1 #47 June 8, 2006 QuoteQuoteYou mentioned something about the money they send 'home'. Why not tax the hell out of what they send. I don't care if it's a nickel... tax it. Interesting idea in principle; but on a practical level, how do you implement it in a way that's feasible? They get paid in cash. Anyone can convert cash into a bank draft at any bank, or even just a money order at the 7-Eleven, no questions asked. How does the kid behind counter at the 7-Eleven differentiate between a money order destined to be cashed inside the US from one destined to be sent outside the US. Do you propose to have every piece of mail sent outside the US opened & inspected for its contents? Even if it were, how would the inspector know whether the person sending the mail is a citizen, legal immigrant or illegal immigrant? __________________________________ Damned good point. The powers that be, seem to know how much money is leaving the U.S. for South of the border. They must have a good idea who is sending it and when. I know here, much of it is done with bank transfers. Seems like the bank making the transfer would know where the bank on the other end is. I really don't know if, every place in Mexico, Central America, etc. accepts 7-11 money orders. I know of places here that don't accept them. Bank of America advertises here, special rates for transfers to Mexico. There's a good place to start taxing! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumpjunkie 0 #48 June 8, 2006 I beleive that the immigration issue is a problem. But it is not a new problem. If it was, we wouldn't have 11 MILLION illegal immigrants here all of a sudden. Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that just as soon as Bush's aproval rating hit the floor (mainly because of Iraq), the immigration issue came to light? Why all of a sudden? I think to give him a war that is close to home that the American public can take up. One that they can touch, that affects them at home. One that they can see, touch, actually feel, and feel like they personally can make a difference one way on another. And all of this takes attention away from Iraq and what is or is not happening over there. Don't get me wrong, I support both"wars" in one way or another. I just think that it is an idea that needs to be brought to light. Tubing, so easy a caveman can do it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #49 June 8, 2006 >Interesting idea in principle; but on a practical level, how do you >implement it in a way that's feasible? Tax them at the highest US tax rate (42%?) If they stay in the country the US keeps the money. If they leave and go back to their home country, the US embassy there gives them all their back taxes upon presentation of their paycheck stub. That way we encourage good behavior (i.e. actually leaving when their job's over) and we keep the money if they don't show this good behavior. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites narcimund 0 #50 June 8, 2006 QuoteIf they leave and go back to their home country, the US embassy there gives them all their back taxes upon presentation of their paycheck stub. This sounds a lot like presuming guilt, imposing and carrying out sentence without judicial process, and leaving it to the convict to retroactively prove their innocence and obtain a pardon. Procedurally this would be very efficient for the beaurocracy but antithetical to the spirit of the United States culture (or the memory of it at least.) Is beaurocratic efficiency the minimal standard by which you'd like the government to justify all of its criminal punishment policies? 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livendive 8 #37 June 7, 2006 QuoteA good place to start would be to go after people who employ illegals. Make it too risky to hire them b/c of the threat of heavy fines, which could escalate to jail for repeated offenses, and you'd have a good start. I also like the idea of setting up immigration offices in S.A. and have employers contact them and request workers. Once an immigrant had a job lined up in the U.S. with a sponser, and had a background check, they could come in. Once the employer was finished with them, thay could stay for a designated period of time until they got another job. There would naturally be details to be worked out, but it is a workable solution and at least a good start. Just because we can't round all illegals up at once and send them back home doesn't mean we shouldn't do anything. I agree with this post. And while a wide-scale deportation effort isn't really feasible, we could certainly do something about them as we come across them. Seizure of cash/assets prior to sending them back (and perhaps a couple months in lock-up during which they can't send money home) should help decrease the motivation for illegal entry. Note I'm not advocating punishment so much as removal of positive reinforcement. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #38 June 7, 2006 QuoteQuoteA good place to start would be to go after people who employ illegals. Make it too risky to hire them b/c of the threat of heavy fines, which could escalate to jail for repeated offenses, and you'd have a good start. I also like the idea of setting up immigration offices in S.A. and have employers contact them and request workers. Once an immigrant had a job lined up in the U.S. with a sponser, and had a background check, they could come in. Once the employer was finished with them, thay could stay for a designated period of time until they got another job. There would naturally be details to be worked out, but it is a workable solution and at least a good start. Just because we can't round all illegals up at once and send them back home doesn't mean we shouldn't do anything. I agree with this post. And while a wide-scale deportation effort isn't really feasible, we could certainly do something about them as we come across them. Seizure of cash/assets prior to sending them back (and perhaps a couple months in lock-up during which they can't send money home) should help decrease the motivation for illegal entry. Note I'm not advocating punishment so much as removal of positive reinforcement. Blues, Dave ________________________________ You mentioned something about the money they send 'home'. Why not tax the hell out of what they send. I don't care if it's a nickel... tax it. So many folks are pushing for taxes on beer and cigarettes, why not tax the money being sent out of this country to countries South of our border? That, is a multi-billion dollar business. At least, it would take some of the heat off of beer drinkers! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #39 June 7, 2006 QuoteThere ya' go! I think, it's been established that the problem is not so much the illegals but rather, those who employ them. The politicians don't want to do that though. Then, where would a lot of their 'perks' come from. There's another point. The politicians! They started to 'discuss' the illegal problem but, they dropped it to discuss whether or not we should have a Constitutional ammendment to allow gays and lesbians to marry. They won't admit it but, due to the fact there is an election on the horizon, they don't want to muddy the waters and lose the hispanic vote so, they come up with this bright idea. I have noticed though, some of the National Guard is on the Southwest Border, building a wall. Bingo. You nailed it, dude. Distraction from the important issues. We'll see how well it plays in November. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #40 June 7, 2006 QuoteYou mentioned something about the money they send 'home'. Why not tax the hell out of what they send. I don't care if it's a nickel... tax it. So many folks are pushing for taxes on beer and cigarettes, why not tax the money being sent out of this country to countries South of our border? That, is a multi-billion dollar business. At least, it would take some of the heat off of beer drinkers! I wasn't talking about those here on work visas, but rather those here illegally. If we can get close enough to tax them, we're close enough to deport them. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #41 June 7, 2006 QuoteQuoteYou mentioned something about the money they send 'home'. Why not tax the hell out of what they send. I don't care if it's a nickel... tax it. So many folks are pushing for taxes on beer and cigarettes, why not tax the money being sent out of this country to countries South of our border? That, is a multi-billion dollar business. At least, it would take some of the heat off of beer drinkers! I wasn't talking about those here on work visas, but rather those here illegally. If we can get close enough to tax them, we're close enough to deport them. Blues, Dave ________________________________ I thought you made it quite clear as for differentiating the two. Not only would we get close enough to deport them but, just make it 'rough' on them. Take the 'glamour' out of the illegals being here. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #42 June 7, 2006 QuoteTake the 'glamour' out of the illegals being here. There's glamour in being here illegally? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #43 June 7, 2006 QuoteQuoteTake the 'glamour' out of the illegals being here. There's glamour in being here illegally? ________________________________ Then too, they might think so. Who's going to do anything about it? That's what they 'know'. They're here and the everyday citizen wouldn't know the difference. They have the Escalades, Expeditions, duallies and the like. Maybe it is glamorous for them. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #44 June 7, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteTake the 'glamour' out of the illegals being here. There's glamour in being here illegally? ________________________________ Then too, they might think so. Who's going to do anything about it? That's what they 'know'. They're here and the everyday citizen wouldn't know the difference. They have the Escalades, Expeditions, duallies and the like. Maybe it is glamorous for them. Chuck Gotch. Sorta a bad-boy machismo thing. "Hey, baby, Im a Border-buster." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #45 June 7, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteTake the 'glamour' out of the illegals being here. There's glamour in being here illegally? ________________________________ Then too, they might think so. Who's going to do anything about it? That's what they 'know'. They're here and the everyday citizen wouldn't know the difference. They have the Escalades, Expeditions, duallies and the like. Maybe it is glamorous for them. Chuck Gotch. Sorta a bad-boy machismo thing. "Hey, baby, Im a Border-buster." _______________________________________ Yessir! Come on down here... I'll give you the 'nickel tour'! It'll give you an idea of the 'situation'. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #46 June 8, 2006 QuoteYou mentioned something about the money they send 'home'. Why not tax the hell out of what they send. I don't care if it's a nickel... tax it. Interesting idea in principle; but on a practical level, how do you implement it in a way that's feasible? They get paid in cash. Anyone can convert cash into a bank draft at any bank, or even just a money order at the 7-Eleven, no questions asked. How does the kid behind counter at the 7-Eleven differentiate between a money order destined to be cashed inside the US from one destined to be sent outside the US. Do you propose to have every piece of mail sent outside the US opened & inspected for its contents? Even if it were, how would the inspector know whether the person sending the mail is a citizen, legal immigrant or illegal immigrant? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #47 June 8, 2006 QuoteQuoteYou mentioned something about the money they send 'home'. Why not tax the hell out of what they send. I don't care if it's a nickel... tax it. Interesting idea in principle; but on a practical level, how do you implement it in a way that's feasible? They get paid in cash. Anyone can convert cash into a bank draft at any bank, or even just a money order at the 7-Eleven, no questions asked. How does the kid behind counter at the 7-Eleven differentiate between a money order destined to be cashed inside the US from one destined to be sent outside the US. Do you propose to have every piece of mail sent outside the US opened & inspected for its contents? Even if it were, how would the inspector know whether the person sending the mail is a citizen, legal immigrant or illegal immigrant? __________________________________ Damned good point. The powers that be, seem to know how much money is leaving the U.S. for South of the border. They must have a good idea who is sending it and when. I know here, much of it is done with bank transfers. Seems like the bank making the transfer would know where the bank on the other end is. I really don't know if, every place in Mexico, Central America, etc. accepts 7-11 money orders. I know of places here that don't accept them. Bank of America advertises here, special rates for transfers to Mexico. There's a good place to start taxing! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpjunkie 0 #48 June 8, 2006 I beleive that the immigration issue is a problem. But it is not a new problem. If it was, we wouldn't have 11 MILLION illegal immigrants here all of a sudden. Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that just as soon as Bush's aproval rating hit the floor (mainly because of Iraq), the immigration issue came to light? Why all of a sudden? I think to give him a war that is close to home that the American public can take up. One that they can touch, that affects them at home. One that they can see, touch, actually feel, and feel like they personally can make a difference one way on another. And all of this takes attention away from Iraq and what is or is not happening over there. Don't get me wrong, I support both"wars" in one way or another. I just think that it is an idea that needs to be brought to light. Tubing, so easy a caveman can do it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #49 June 8, 2006 >Interesting idea in principle; but on a practical level, how do you >implement it in a way that's feasible? Tax them at the highest US tax rate (42%?) If they stay in the country the US keeps the money. If they leave and go back to their home country, the US embassy there gives them all their back taxes upon presentation of their paycheck stub. That way we encourage good behavior (i.e. actually leaving when their job's over) and we keep the money if they don't show this good behavior. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #50 June 8, 2006 QuoteIf they leave and go back to their home country, the US embassy there gives them all their back taxes upon presentation of their paycheck stub. This sounds a lot like presuming guilt, imposing and carrying out sentence without judicial process, and leaving it to the convict to retroactively prove their innocence and obtain a pardon. Procedurally this would be very efficient for the beaurocracy but antithetical to the spirit of the United States culture (or the memory of it at least.) Is beaurocratic efficiency the minimal standard by which you'd like the government to justify all of its criminal punishment policies? First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
