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QuoteI'd be willing to bet that if we hadn't messed with them in the first place then they wouldn't be terrorizing us. Kinda like the old "ow, it hurts when I do this". Well, don't do that.
So if I go back to around 1979 or earlier is your reason still valid?
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QuoteI'd be willing to bet that if we hadn't messed with them in the first place then they wouldn't be terrorizing us. Kinda like the old "ow, it hurts when I do this". Well, don't do that.
So if I go back to around 1979 or earlier is your reason still valid?
Yes. 1950's US installation of the Shah in Iran (nothing like overthrowing a democracy, but that was about oil too). 1940's when we started our "don't ask Saudi Arabia about human rights issues so we can be partners" oil deal, then there's the creation and backing of Israel thing (multifaceted that one) as well as the post Ottoman Empire carving up of the middle east. The Brits take the brunt on that one.
Actually that was not the first act of terrorism by an islamic fundamentalist movement, please do some more reading and you will be astonished at what has been going on now for many many years without repercussion.
No wonder Terrorists have become emboldened![[:/]](/uploads/emoticons/dry.png "[:/]")
No wonder Terrorists have become emboldened
rushmc 23
I'd be willing to bet that if we hadn't messed with them in the first place then they wouldn't be terrorizing us. Kinda like the old "ow, it hurts when I do this". Well, don't do that.
Pipe dream
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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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Richards 0
QuoteThey lost their chance at becoming humans again.
Harsh. I can justify dehumanizing an individual based on his/her actions (ie killing a confirmed terrorist is not like killing a human) but to generalize an entire nationality/ethnicity like that as being non-human has frightenning implications. Such thinking has been the fuel for many of the worst atrocities in history.
Richards
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QuoteSuch thinking has been the fuel for many of the worst atrocities in history.
Such thinking is step 1 in warfare. First you must dehumanize the enemy. We don't want to go over there and kill other people. It's much easier to accept/do if we're just killing Japs, Krauts, Gooks, and Ragheads.
Blues,
Dave
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QuoteQuoteSuch thinking has been the fuel for many of the worst atrocities in history.
Such thinking is step 1 in warfare. First you must dehumanize the enemy. We don't want to go over there and kill other people. It's much easier to accept/do if we're just killing Japs, Krauts, Gooks, and Ragheads.
Blues,
Dave
Or infidels
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QuoteQuoteQuoteSuch thinking has been the fuel for many of the worst atrocities in history.
Such thinking is step 1 in warfare. First you must dehumanize the enemy. We don't want to go over there and kill other people. It's much easier to accept/do if we're just killing Japs, Krauts, Gooks, and Ragheads.
Or infidels
Absolutely. Infidels, capitalist pigs, commies, etc...it's all the same.
Blues,
Dave
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(drink Mountain Dew)
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JohnnyD 0
QuoteA good offense is the best defense.
As this is clearly becomming the foreign policy of the US, are we not to believe that other countries won't adopt it as well? How long will it be before N. Korea pre-emptively attacks the US because the best defense is a good offense and they know we have WMDs and invade other countries unprovoked? Answer to the question: No.
beowulf 1
NK just may preemtively strike the US, but it will probably be followed by their country being turned into a desolate radio active waste land. Hopefully they are not willing to go that far. As far as I can tell Kim Jung Il is crazy but not that stupid. The cold war idea of MAD is still very possible.
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I'd be willing to bet that if we hadn't messed with them in the first place then they wouldn't be terrorizing us. Kinda like the old "ow, it hurts when I do this". Well, don't do that.
Pipe dream
You're right. We haven't learned anything from our history so why should I expect that to change now? Here's a new game, think ten or fifteen years down the road. Who is the current "ally", receiver of US money, military aid and political rhetoric, that we're going to demonize and attack next? My bet's on Pakistan (just maybe not that far in the future).
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I personally don't think that is true. I think these people are looking for any reason pursue their terrorist war. I think their goal is to spread Islam any way they can. They want more and more Islamic republics till it covers the whole world. This is a religous war that has been going on for thousands of years.
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