rhys 0 #1 June 2, 2006 Ok I checked this out on google and it seems legit. I just hate the idea of someone fucking with glaciers! If you care about the planet read on, if not, my apologies and please erase this email. Judge for yourself if you want to take action: In the Valle de San Felix, the purest water in Chile runs from 2 rivers, fed by 2 glaciers. Water is a most precious resource, and wars will be fought for it. Indigenous farmers use the water, there is no unemployment, and they provide the second largest source of income for the area. Under the glaciers has been found a huge deposit of gold, silver and other minerals. To get at these, it would be necessary to break, to destroy the glaciers - something never conceived of in the history of the world - and to make 2 huge holes, each as big as a whole mountain, one for extraction and one for the mine's rubbish tip. The project is called PASCUA LAMA. The company is called Barrick Gold. The operation is planned by a multi-national company, one of whose Members is George Bush Senior. The Chilean Government has approved the project to start this year, 2006. The only reason it hasn't started yet is because the farmers have got a temporary stay of execution. If they destroy the glaciers, they will not just destroy the source of specially pure water, but they will permanently contaminate the 2 rivers so they will never again be fit for human or animal consumption because of the use of cyanide and sulphuric acid in the extraction process. Every last gramme of gold will go abroad to the multinational company and not one will be left with the people whose land it is. They will only be left with the poisoned water and the resulting illnesses. The farmers have been fighting a long time for their land, but have been forbidden to make a TV appeal by a ban from the Ministry of the Interior. Their only hope now of putting brakes on this project is to get help from international justice. The world must know what is happening in Chile. The only place to start changing the world is from here. We ask you to circulate this message amongst your friends in the following way. Please COPY this text, PASTE it into a new email adding your signature and send it to everyone in your address book. Please will the 100th person to receive and sign the petition send it to noapascualama@yahoo.ca to be forwarded to the Chilean Government. No to Pascua Lama Open-cast mine in the Andean Cordillera on the Chilean-Argentine frontier. We ask the Chilean Government not to authorize the Pascua Lama project to protect the whole of 3 glaciers, the purity of the water of the San Felix Valley and El Transito, the quality of the agricultural land of the region of Atacama, the quality of life of the Diaguita people and of the whole population of the region. To find out more about the opposition of this project you can search Pascua Lama Project on the internet. Signature, City, Country 1) Katharine Proudfoot, Edinburgh, Scotland, UK 2) Laura Cole, London, UK 3) David Platt, London, UK 4) Diane Platt, Manchester, UK 5) Tanya Corker, Manchester, UK 6) Nicola Hargreaves, UK 7) Nicholas Jones, UK 8)Johann Don-Daniel, Germany 9)Ashley Berger, Germany 10) Sarah Downie, Leeds, UK 11) Paula Delahunty, Bingley, UK 12) John O'Driscoll, Bingley, Uk 13) Jordan-Lee Delahunty, Bingley, UK 14) Claire Mulvey, Bradford, UK 15) Marie Malcolm Bradford, UK 16) Ann Clowes, Halifax UK 17) Jayne McGee, Brighouse UK 18) Jason Barratt Oldham UK 19; Lindsay Torrance, Rochdale UK 20 ) Maggie Ford, Rochdale 21) Barry Cook, Todmorden 22) Shelley BUrgoyne, Todmorden 23) Katie Spence, Falmouth Cornwall 24)Tiffany Key, falmouth cornwall 25) India Bailey, London UK 26) Mary B Bailey London UK 27) Andrew Greenaway, Stanford-le-Hope, UK 28) Rev Steve Cobb, Biggin Hill Kent 29) K Bamber, Tatsfield, Kent 30) Cornelis van Dalen, Woldingham, Surrey, UK 31) Keith Smeaton, Reigate Surrey, UK 32) Irma Vocht, Reigate, Surrey, UK agothicromance1 33) Rowland Smith, London, UK 34) Ruth Tindall, London, UK 35) Monica Guerrero, UK 36) Roxanne Harbour 37) Kate Proudman, Richmond Surrey UK 38] Amanda Culpin London UK 39) Snowden Flood, London UK 40) Alexandra Mavolwane, London uk 41) Sophie Dhenin, Virginia Water UK 42) Rebecca Eke, London, UK 43) Belinda Meggitt, Chittagong, Bangladesh 44) Carly Simpson-Goff, Sydney, Australia 45) Tony Goff, Sydney, Australia 46) Dawne Solomons, London, UK 47) Sheila Rock , LONDON, ENGLAND UK 48) Terri Manduca, London, UK 49) Al Mackinnon, London, UK 50) Lucy Evans, London, UK 51) Jonathan Tuohey, London UK 52) Braden Tuohey, Auckland, NZ 53) Mike Appleby,Whistler BC Canada"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sockpuppet 0 #2 June 2, 2006 This be true as well http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/pascualama.asp ------ Two of the three voices in my head agree with you. It might actually be unanimous but voice three only speaks Welsh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #3 June 2, 2006 Wow. Sounds like whatever cost benefit analysis was done didn't include things outside of the company. Very sad this is happening.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #4 June 2, 2006 To all that haven't please read" Confessions of an Economic Hitman" >http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/12/31/1546207I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #5 June 2, 2006 QuoteEvery last gramme of gold will go abroad to the multinational company and not one will be left with the people whose land it is. So how do the farmers own the land but not the glaciers on that land? How would the corp get access to the glaciers if not across the farmer's land itself? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #6 June 2, 2006 read my last post and read the bookI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #7 June 2, 2006 Quoteread my last post and read the book In short, then, you're saying the Chilean government leadership is crooked and that will let in the corps ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #8 June 2, 2006 Quoteread my last post and read the book Can't you just tell us? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #9 June 2, 2006 QuoteQuoteread my last post and read the book Can't you just tell us? hell, the article is long enough, let alone any book too ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #10 June 2, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteread my last post and read the book Can't you just tell us? hell, the article is long enough, let alone any book too I know, I stopped after reading this: QuoteWe spend the hour with John Perkins, a former respected member of the international banking community. In his book Confessions of an Economic Hit Man he describes how as a highly paid professional, he helped the U.S. cheat poor countries around the globe out of trillions of dollars by lending them more money than they could possibly repay and then taking over their economies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #11 June 2, 2006 Quotehe helped the U.S. cheat poor countries around the globe out of trillions of dollars by lending them more money than they could possibly repay and then taking over their economies. There is an issue with knowingly lending money that can't be repaid. But then we get bashed for not GIVING it away or even lending and then forgiving the loans. Think of the US as less the world's policeman but more the whipped dad than always hands out from the wallet. BUT, there's a bigger issue with a country taking money they know they can't repay.....(the US in fact should take note about that little issue as we move further into debt - abosolute debt, not % of GNP discussions, tedious)). Seems that working other economies for the benefit of one's own is pretty standard stuff for any country with the wherewithal, and no doubt MANY countries are guilty of this. survival of the fittest - liberal guilt or not. And I do not doubt the point of few people taking the majority of the gains. I also do not doubt that any country would gladly improve their economy at the expense of another's, particularly the US, it's the duty of the government - just the line is drawn when individual politicians take advantage of it for personal gain, rather than the gain of their citizens as a whole. The question is whether it is just BAU for survival.... i.e., But it is good to hear about small country leaders that do try to find win-win scenarios for themselves and their people - even if it might be fiction. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #12 June 2, 2006 Quote read my last post Just read the article. Interesting read. I question his statements regarding Iraq, though. We invaded Iraq because they invaded Kuwait, at least the first time.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #13 June 2, 2006 QuoteThere is an issue with knowingly lending money that can't be repaid. But then we get bashed for not GIVING it away or even lending and then forgiving the loans. Think of the US as less the world's policeman but more the whipped dad than always hands out from the wallet. More like the dad who keeps his kids locked in a sweatshop in the basement and then hands out money for a square meal once a month.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #14 June 2, 2006 QuoteQuoteThere is an issue with knowingly lending money that can't be repaid. But then we get bashed for not GIVING it away or even lending and then forgiving the loans. Think of the US as less the world's policeman but more the whipped dad than always hands out from the wallet. More like the dad who keeps his kids locked in a sweatshop in the basement and then hands out money for a square meal once a month. I agree. Set poor countries free. End all U.S. Foreign assistance now. They will be much better off without our preditory lending practices. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #15 June 2, 2006 you are cool.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #16 June 2, 2006 Quoteyou are cool. no I'm not - I'm a sexy JACKASS!! wait - that's not me either, that's some other guy. I think I'm just the guy that drives the cart and mixes the tequila-based drinks. [It's better your way, just avoid the place and check in on the THREAD occasionally] (you know, Skyrad took a lot of time off of speaker's corner too and it seems that now it gets him going too more than it used to - reacclimate slowly) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #17 June 2, 2006 Quotepreditory lending practices. Funny, I could have sworn this thread was about predatory business practices.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #18 June 2, 2006 QuoteQuotepreditory lending practices. Funny, I could have sworn this thread was about predatory business practices. or a-predatory borrowing practices ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #19 June 2, 2006 Quoteor a-predatory borrowing practices My brain hurtsDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #20 June 2, 2006 QuoteQuoteor a-predatory borrowing practices My brain hurts Drat, just when I was getting ready to make the connection between preditory govt. subsidies like welfare and loans to poor countries. Oh, well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #21 June 2, 2006 QuoteI think I'm just the guy that drives the cart and mixes the tequila-based drinks. I'm still trying to figure out how you know how often normal people bathe Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #22 June 2, 2006 QuoteQuoteI think I'm just the guy that drives the cart and mixes the tequila-based drinks. I'm still trying to figure out how you know how often normal people bathe Tiny cameras and alot of patience. Take a close look at your sink faucet. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #23 June 3, 2006 QuoteTo all that haven't please read" Confessions of an Economic Hitman" I'll read it because my interest is now perked. But, I get the feeling based on excerpts from the book and reviews: It's the economic version of the "Da vinci Code". Facts scewered to make a good book and some common conspiracy theories. There is something said, I don't know if it's in this particular book, about the World bank lending out a huge sum of money and when the country defaults, the Bank institutes hard punishment for the purpose of putting the U. S. in a position to institute forced change in our favor. This is a common conspiracy theory and totally false. It's all backwards. Before a country can borrow from the World Bank(it is going to be a member country first, which means it pays into the Bank) the Country has to abide by the rules set out first There's no reason to lend out money to a country if it can't pay it back. Probably the best example of this was the Asian Economic Crisis a few years ago. Of course there is debate on the set rules doled out; it being too much change for a country, the changes may strip cultural way of doing business. . .ect, ect. It is one of the missions of the World Bank to convert third-world countries into open-market economies._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #24 June 4, 2006 QuoteQuoteTo all that haven't please read" Confessions of an Economic Hitman" I'll read it because my interest is now perked. But, I get the feeling based on excerpts from the book and reviews: It's the economic version of the "Da vinci Code". Facts scewered to make a good book and some common conspiracy theories. There is something said, I don't know if it's in this particular book, about the World bank lending out a huge sum of money and when the country defaults, the Bank institutes hard punishment for the purpose of putting the U. S. in a position to institute forced change in our favor. This is a common conspiracy theory and totally false. It's all backwards. Before a country can borrow from the World Bank(it is going to be a member country first, which means it pays into the Bank) the Country has to abide by the rules set out first There's no reason to lend out money to a country if it can't pay it back. Probably the best example of this was the Asian Economic Crisis a few years ago. Of course there is debate on the set rules doled out; it being too much change for a country, the changes may strip cultural way of doing business. . .ect, ect. It is one of the missions of the World Bank to convert third-world countries into open-market economies. donno. But I've worked for these companies in the book most my life and i can tell yuou it's pretty accurate.I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
