akarunway 1 #1 May 30, 2006 Can anyone explain the legit reason the U.S. needs to test a bomb like this for the purposes decribed in the article? What are we gonna do pack all that shit in a SF soldiers backpack and sneak em in Korea or Iran. Gimme a break. Sounds like covering up something else to me. Who knows. It's a state secrect right http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/05/26/nevada.bomb/index.html?eref=aol-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #2 May 30, 2006 The reasons are in the article mate. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #3 May 30, 2006 1.4 million pounds alot to carry around or are you agreeing w/ the HIDE THE NUKE TEST?I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #4 May 30, 2006 Just providing an answer to your question. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #5 May 31, 2006 Quote1.4 million pounds alot to carry around or are you agreeing w/ the HIDE THE NUKE TEST? 1.4M pounds is 700,000 tons, 700kT. Roughly the size of a standard nuke in some packaging. They are planning to use fuel/fertilizer in an effort to calibrate the conditions of what a real nuke would need. Look at it this way, if/when the Iranians or DPRK detonate a nuke of their own. There will be no discussion. The President will lift the moratorium enacted in 1992, and they'll use real nukes to test the new designs. Let them use fuel I say.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,117 #6 May 31, 2006 QuoteQuote1.4 million pounds alot to carry around or are you agreeing w/ the HIDE THE NUKE TEST? 1.4M pounds is 700,000 tons, 700kT. Roughly the size of a standard nuke in some packaging. . WRONG 1.4x10^6/(2000lb/ton) = 700T = 0.7kT.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dbattman 0 #7 May 31, 2006 Possibly seeing how large a nuke they need to use in a surgical strike? Legitimate concern about the fallout downwind, though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bch7773 0 #8 May 31, 2006 it sounds like the plan is if they drop a conventional bomb to blow a pit above the underground bunker, then drop a nuke into the pit in order to destroy the underground bunker. how big does the pit need to be for the nuke to reach the underground bunker? thats what they are testing. MB 3528, RB 1182 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #9 May 31, 2006 It's just the guys from Mythbusters working on a Wily Coyote stunt. They've already done the recreation part which went with more of a "pft" than a bang and now they're going for the replication section of the experiment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #10 May 31, 2006 So its kinda like a good bomb taking out a bad bomb. I think I like the concept. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #11 May 31, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote1.4 million pounds alot to carry around or are you agreeing w/ the HIDE THE NUKE TEST? 1.4M pounds is 700,000 tons, 700kT. Roughly the size of a standard nuke in some packaging. . WRONG 1.4x10^6/(2000lb/ton) = 700T = 0.7kT. I was wrong in my calculation. Should've thought "slower". So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casurf1978 0 #12 May 31, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote1.4 million pounds alot to carry around or are you agreeing w/ the HIDE THE NUKE TEST? 1.4M pounds is 700,000 tons, 700kT. Roughly the size of a standard nuke in some packaging. . WRONG 1.4x10^6/(2000lb/ton) = 700T = 0.7kT. I was wrong in my calculation. Should've thought "slower". Careful with those college Physics Profs, they can spot a mistake in calculations even before you starting writing it down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,571 #13 June 1, 2006 Quote it sounds like the plan is if they drop a conventional bomb to blow a pit above the underground bunker, then drop a nuke into the pit in order to destroy the underground bunker. how big does the pit need to be for the nuke to reach the underground bunker? thats what they are testing. Actually it seems to me as if they're testing how shockwaves from -huge- explosions (read nuclear) affect bunkers. Since they can't actually use a nuke for the test they're substituting a massive amount of conventional explosive, hence the need for the pit to put it all in. The real nuclear weapon (being rather small) doesn't need a excavated pit to sit in and is simply dropped from a great height in order to penetrate the surface before exploding. Personally I really don't like development of 'tactical' nukes like this. I know they've been around in a few different forms for some time but anything that makes it easier to push the button the first time...Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
twibbles 0 #14 June 1, 2006 Another thing i'm worried about is the talks of putting conventional warheads in sub launched ballistic missiles. Eugene "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,117 #15 June 1, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote1.4 million pounds alot to carry around or are you agreeing w/ the HIDE THE NUKE TEST? 1.4M pounds is 700,000 tons, 700kT. Roughly the size of a standard nuke in some packaging. . WRONG 1.4x10^6/(2000lb/ton) = 700T = 0.7kT. I was wrong in my calculation. Should've thought "slower". Careful with those college Physics Profs, they can spot a mistake in calculations even before you starting writing it down. I dislike writing tests, and I dislike multiple choice questions, but one redeeming feature is predicting the mistakes people will make, calculating those wrong answers, and putting them among the choices. I always catch a few people that way.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #16 June 1, 2006 More info: http://www.dtra.mil/divinestrake/index.cfm & http://www.dtra.mil/divinestrake/frequentAQ.cfm Interesting publication w/r/t the effectiveness of nuclear weapons against underground bunkers containing biological agents: http://cisac.stanford.edu/publications/effectiveness_of_nuclear_weapons_against_buried_biological_agents/ marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites