Doctors vs Quacks

[kallend 2,150]

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You sound insecure!

That's just a side effect of gun ownership, I understand.

Actually - being very high up in the engineering management chain, I can assure you that most of the real work always gets done by the decent and hardworking technicians and operators that the facists exploit (those last 4 words are for the usual crowd here).

A typical millionaire's profile in this country is usually the small entrepeneur, not the degreed specialist. (The willingness to dig in and take a risk is the main input to success, the level of education is not a significant factor - personality, not education is more important - I know, I'm shooting myself in the foot with that one, but it's true.)

Depends how you define success. I don't think Newton or Galileo or Darwin or Faraday were millionaires, but in the eyes of history they sure get more credit than the millionaires of their day.

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[rehmwa 2]

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Depends how you define success

that's nice
it's a nice warm fuzzy feeling


That's a pretty subjective statement for a guy who argues vigorously about which units of measure to use for solving problems. And the 'millionaire' statement was one example. I also spoke highly of techs and operators, very frequently poor. But focused and they contribute in a real way.

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[lawrocket 3]

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Then lawyers jumped on the same bandwagon with the JD degree.

Dr. Kallend:

From one doctor to another, it's nice to be a part of that "Doctor" club, and to be welcomed with open arms.

Sincerely,

Dr. Lawrocket

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[kallend 2,150]

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Depends how you define success

that's nice
it's a nice warm fuzzy feeling


That's a pretty subjective statement for a guy who argues vigorously about which units of measure to use for solving problems. And the 'millionaire' statement was one example. I also spoke highly of techs and operators, very frequently poor. But focused and they contribute in a real way.

Your definition of success is very narrow, it is all $$$$.

Do you think Mother Teresa led an unsuccessful life because she wasn't wealthy? How about Crick and Watson? I don't think either of them became wealthy.

George W. Bush, however, is clearly a huge success in your eyes.

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[billvon 3,119]

>Dr. Kallend:
>From one doctor to another, it's nice to be a part of that "Doctor"
>club, and to be welcomed with open arms.
>Sincerely,
>Dr. Lawrocket

You better watch out with that, or I'll get Dr. Amy to kick your ass!

[rehmwa 2]

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Your definition of success is very narrow, it is all $$$$..

bullshit - does anything fly off of your fingers that isn't a blatant misrepresentation? I'd expect better from a highly degreed rich guy.

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[kallend 2,150]

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Your definition of success is very narrow, it is all $$$$..

bullshit - does anything fly off of your fingers that isn't a blatant misrepresentation? I'd expect better from a highly degreed rich guy.

Re-read what you wrote about typical successful guys.

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[rehmwa 2]

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Your definition of success is very narrow, it is all $$$$..

bullshit - does anything fly off of your fingers that isn't a blatant misrepresentation? I'd expect better from a highly degreed rich guy.

Re-read what you wrote about typical successful guys.

re-read the rest of it too - are you in the habit of extending one type of random example to define another person's entire outlook? Narrow blinders there john

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[kallend 2,150]

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Your definition of success is very narrow, it is all $$$$..

bullshit - does anything fly off of your fingers that isn't a blatant misrepresentation? I'd expect better from a highly degreed rich guy.

Re-read what you wrote about typical successful guys.

re-read the rest of it too - are you in the habit of extending one type of random example to define another person's entire outlook? Narrow blinders there john

I guess you forgot the paragraphing rules of style.

The ONLY paragraph in which the work "success" appears is the one about millionaires.

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[Brian3576 0]

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For over 2,000 years "doctor" has meant teacher (it is a Latin word). The use of the word to describe medical practitioners (aka quacks) is only about 150 years old.

Actually, kallend, I believe the origin of the term doctor is Greek and referred to teachers of philosophy. It was assigned to those people who committed to learning, the pursuit of knowledge, and the sharing of that knowledge. In that sense, the use of the term doctor to convey both the PhD recipient and the physician is appropriate as both have made such a commitment to continued learning and sharing their knowledge (teaching).

Though the physician does not employ the traditional classroom in the learning setting, they maintain a role both to heal and educate. In educating, a doctor can be expected to teach about disease processes, pathophysiology of disease, treatment options derived from research and evidence based medicine, and the practice of wellness. Additionally, the education process in obtaining a Doctorate of Medicine is not an insignificant journey and should not be regarded as anything less challenging than the education of a PhD.

I respect the privilege of the PhD recipient to be referred to as doctor and the rights that the degree confers to the individual. And I demand that the same respect be afforded to me and my colleagues in medicine. You have no right to refer to the community of people who have chosen to educate themselves in medicine as quacks. In disregarding the entire population of physicians in this way, you teach and dispel ignorant statements which deviate from the very meaning of the title you hold in such high esteem.

do you want some more ironing to do?

[Andy9o8 2]

Ian? Is that you??

[lawrocket 3]

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>Dr. Kallend:
>From one doctor to another, it's nice to be a part of that "Doctor"
>club, and to be welcomed with open arms.
>Sincerely,
>Dr. Lawrocket

You better watch out with that, or I'll get Dr. Amy to kick your ass!

Interesting offer. I don't think my wife will like it, though.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[Dagny 0]

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do you want some more ironing to do?

Shit! You reminded me...I've got to press my white coat before I start my ER shift tomorrow morning.

And if you feel like bringing me any additional laundry, feel free to access me via 911. We'll leave the light on for you.

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-Salvador Dali

[Lindsey 0]

I'll be in the ER tomorrow too. As for the white coat....it's just a fomite with ring around the collar :) Who has time for ironing?

I always wondered why nobody called a JD doctor. Even though most people don't think of a PhD when referring to a doctor, at least that person is still addressed as Dr. So-and-so. A JD, though, is still referred to as Mr. Maybe it's to keep them in their place.

linz

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[kallend 2,150]

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I'll be in the ER tomorrow too. As for the white coat....it's just a fomite with ring around the collar :) Who has time for ironing?

I always wondered why nobody called a JD doctor. Even though most people don't think of a PhD when referring to a doctor, at least that person is still addressed as Dr. So-and-so. A JD, though, is still referred to as Mr. Maybe it's to keep them in their place.

linz

In the UK the more senior surgeons and physicians (Fellows of the relevant Royal Academy) revert to the Mr (or Ms) title.

As stated previously, the use of "Doctor" to refer to a particular profession is a recent innovation used as a status enhancer by medicine men, who before the 18th century were generally moonlighting barbers.

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[rehmwa 2]

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I guess you forgot the paragraphing rules of style.

The ONLY paragraph in which the work "success" appears is the one about millionaires.

whatever you wish prof, you know all

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[Andy9o8 2]

I suppose there is a certain irony in referring to dentists in the UK as "doctor".

[Brian3576 0]

and what about Dr Pepper

[lawrocket 3]

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I always wondered why nobody called a JD doctor.

It just hasn't fallen into common usage. Really, we don't deserve it. I'll call myself "doctor" only in jest. Some attorneys (very few), however, will advertise themselves as "Doctor" when they market to certain segments of the population that look extremely favorably on doctors. (the medical type, not the one with a doctorate in sociology).

I'm more apt to call myself "asshole."

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[rehmwa 2]

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[pirana 0]

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For over 2,000 years "doctor" has meant teacher (it is a Latin word). The use of the word to describe medical practitioners (aka quacks) is only about 150 years old.

Cool little fact.

So PhD's can say "No, actually I am a real doctor"

Correct!doctorate was a teaching qualification, later (in the 19th century) appropriated by quacks to mean practitioner of medicine. Then lawyers jumped on the same bandwagon with the JD degree.

This devaluation of the doctors' degree is akin to the modern practice of having pre-school and kindergarten graduates wearing caps and gowns.

NO WAY! I've heard of this as low as the 6th grade level, and it sounds to be pretty common leaving Jr. High for High School.

But if you know of a place that "graduates" kids out of pre-K or K; I really want to know about it.

Thanx

don b

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

[pirana 0]

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Did you know Fuck orginally meant fornication under the command of king?

Not likely. The root word has it's origins in the time before Kings existed, or were known as such. The root word means to get over on someone, to top them, to beat them in a contest, etc.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

[pirana 0]

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Sometimes it's just best to get to work and deliver and not worry about the ego driven set of titles and certifications that others are making money on.

You sound insecure!

[rehmwa 2]

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I'm just trying to figure out if he is jealous, or one of the people making money on the certifications.

I wish, everytime I think of a good scam like that, about 12 other people are already doing it in my market area.

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[pirana 0]

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I can assure you that most of the real work always gets done by the decent and hardworking technicians and operators that the facists exploit (those last 4 words are for the usual crowd here).

A typical millionaire's profile in this country is usually the small entrepeneur, not the degreed specialist. (The willingness to dig in and take a risk is the main input to success, the level of education is not a significant factor - personality, not education is more important - I know, I'm shooting myself in the foot with that one, but it's true.)

Actually, there is a corelation between education level and income. (Increased levels of formal education are positively corelated to increased levels of income). Now, it would be interesting to just look at certain narrow segments, say less than $100K, $100K to $1 million, $1 million and over, etc. and see if things hold within those strata.

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the hardworking operators and technicians too. Without them, I'd have to do way too much manual labor.

Pretty tempting opening there at the end. Funny.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley