Yet another fringe benefit from Bush to corporations - exclusion from SEC filings

[Gawain 0]

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Look in the phone book at all the phone numbers...with names...some with addresses...that equals: PUBLIC RECORD

Hmmmm, I believe all phone companies are private corps..... oh yea, corpoartions, US governemnt; same thing via Fascism.... yiu are right.

All the phone companies are "private" and the three biggest are publicly traded. Fascism-NOT. Capitalism-YES. A freely distributed publication pretty much becomes a matter of public record, just like these forums, even though they are on private web-site.

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BTW, do you have a phonebook that details which number called which and what time? Weak, er, nonexistant copmaprison.

Nope, but the issue of what these phone companies supposedly did is of no consequence to me. I am 100% certain that there are vehicles within the government apparati that can, and have done this for decades.

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How about just the dollars? Chinese? Bush has ensured that they have our money, so they care not what we do.

You seem to have forgotten the money trail that links the former administration and the Chinese far better than the current one.

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We are not living in peace time people.

Oh God, spare me. We ARE living in peacetime, it's just that the Reoubs won't let it happen - it interrupts their corporate plans. The world is very peaceful, with the exception of us.

Go tell that to folks in the UK in the wake of 7/7, or the Spanish in the wake of 3/11. In fact, if you can shake it, go back in time to Munich 1972. How about WTC I in 1993, or the US Embassy bomings in Africa, Somalia, Pan Am 103, USS Cole, Kuwait, Achille Lauro, India-Pakistan, Taiwan-China, the DMZ between ROK and DPRK, Israel and the Palestinians.

You know how many US Servicemen died between the end of Vietnam and Operation Enduring Freedom in direct and indirect conflicts? More than 700 from what I read in a VFW publication. Peace is a relative. While everyone sat by during the 90s, thinking of rosy thoughts, the US and others were, in fact under systematic attack, and our continued ignoring of the facts has resulted in terrible consequences like 9/11. There is no peace.

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There are some very nasty people out there that would love to see the US fall.

There are also some very descent countries that wouldn't come to our aide of we were attacked due to our presence in world hate.

Like who? France?

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Please point me to the section of the FAR or the DFARS or any of the service supplements that details the role the Office of the Vice President or the Office of the President plays in source selection.

If you truly believe this then your arrogance is even more misplaced than I already think it is, so far I thought it was only attributable to SMS.

So if it isn't in the FAR or DFARS you are convinced that the President of the US or the Vice-President of the US have no "persuading powers" in any of this?

I can tell you that when the president of the company I work for calls me, he can have some pretty persuasive "arguments" even if it doesn't show up in our official policy binder....

[TheAnvil 0]

Your company's internal policies are not governed by public law. Awarding of gov't contracts, in contrast, is.

Vinny the Anvil
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[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Your company's internal policies are not governed by public law. Awarding of gov't contracts, in contrast, is.

Based on the company I work for, it actually is. There is no law in the US that says the President or Vice-President can't make a phone call is there?

The optics are really bad in this scenario. It would behoove the current administration to ensure there are no possibilities of such stories to get started. They have certainly not done themselves any favours.

[TheAnvil 0]

The stories of which you speak only hold merit with those who know little to nothing of the acquisition/contracting process. I chuckle everytime I see one of them. It does, after all, only cost $0.37 to file a protest...plus paper and envelope costs, of course. Let's say $5 because you'd definitely send it by certified mail for a return receipt. Not too many have been filed in the case of Halliburton - whose Brown & Root subsidiary is for sale, by the way, because its returns aren't that hot.

Vinny the Anvil
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[SkyDekker 1,465]

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The stories of which you speak only hold merit with those who know little to nothing of the acquisition/contracting process.

The stories of which I speak have nothing to do with the acquisition/contracting process. They have to do with social and business networks, favours for friends and people in powerful positions.

Not quite sure which regulations that would be covered under, since that almost appears to be the only thing you understand....

[TheAnvil 0]

If that were the case you could easily point to a contract that Halliburton is servicing that was cut in such a manner. By all means, please do so.

Vinny the Anvil
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[SkyDekker 1,465]

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If that were the case you could easily point to a contract that Halliburton is servicing that was cut in such a manner. By all means, please do so.

Why would it have been cut, that would counter the purpose now wouldn't it?

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'cutting' a contract is sometimes used as slang for awarding a contract. Name one awarded in such a manner. Just one. If you're correct, it shouldn't be that hard. One contract awarded to Halliburton by P or VP fiat or phone call when another company should have gotten it.

Contractual protests are not uncommon in gov't contracting. You'll probably find a couple of Halliburton awards have been protested successfully.

Vinny the Anvil
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[SkyDekker 1,465]

I am half tempted to say:

Obviously you have no understanding of the social business network system or the concept of covering your ass, read up on it and get back to us....but that would be stopping pretty low.

If you understood the concept, you would understand it would be next to impossible to prove. The phone call made wouldn't have to be made by the P or VP himself, but could be done by a close adviser, creating "plausible deniability". It wouldn't state anything more than how pleased the P or VP would be if a certain direction were taken.

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If you're correct, it shouldn't be that hard.

This sentence is more of a joke I would assume. How would you prove me wrong to begin with?

[TheAnvil 0]

I'm chuckling and scratching my long and sexy ears.

You can't point out what mechanism Messrs. Bush or Cheney have in their current offices that allows them to select sources for contracts, you can't name a single Halliburton contract you suspect was awarded in this way, but you know you're right and that the VP and Pres have been ensuring Halliburton is awarded contracts via behind-the-scenes phone calls.


My ears are quite sexy. Women everywhere should want to scratch them.

Vinny the Anvil
Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL
JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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You can't point out what mechanism Messrs. Bush or Cheney have in their current offices that allows them to select sources for contracts, you can't name a single Halliburton contract you suspect was awarded in this way, but you know you're right and that the VP and Pres have been ensuring Halliburton is awarded contracts via behind-the-scenes phone calls.

Can you point out where exactly I said that this definitely happened? I specifically said that it would be next to impossible to prove that it did, or conversely that it didn't. I did state that the optics certainly werent favourable, nor that the administration did themselves any favours in that regard.

Your arrogance coupled with constant one-sided contempt and willful misstatement of posts makes it next to impossible to have any meaningful conversation with you, never mind an actual discussion. I am certainly not the first to point this out.

Lastly I'll say this: Just because something cannot be proven true or false does not take away the possibility of it happening. You seem to be taking the standpoint that since it is not proven true, it is not worth discussing, almost to the point of stating that it isn't even possible.

[TheAnvil 0]

The next time I'm at the vet for my checkup, I'm going to have him take a photo of the inside of my ears. If the inside is as sexy as the outside, everyone should see it.

I have sexy hooves as well.

Vinny the Anvil
Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL
JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

[billvon 3,120]

>You can't point out what mechanism Messrs. Bush or Cheney have
>in their current offices that allows them to select sources for contracts . . .

Do you really, honestly think that if the President of the United States made it clear that he wanted a certain outcome in a selection process, that everyone in government would ignore it?

[rehmwa 2]

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Lastly I'll say this: Just because something cannot be proven true or false does not take away the possibility of it happening. You seem to be taking the standpoint that since it is not proven true, it is not worth discussing, almost to the point of stating that it isn't even possible.

You guys are correct. Just because Vinny is taking a tact of innocent until proven guilt, then he must be completely naive. Better to assume some event and then beat it to death.

In fact, just because it can't be proven you don't like to have vigorous monkey sex with rabid horses doesn't take away the possibility of it happening.....nudge nudge

in fact, we should assume it's true if the innuendo is made and vigorously pursue it. then if no evidence emerges, still treat you as if it's true.

there's a lot of legal money to be made in generating innuendos

don't you think?

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