Darius11 12 #26 May 25, 2006 QuoteQuoteBurn all the fucks, shoot all the whiny bitchs, and kill all the lawyers... Now you sound just like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. He would be proud of you! You crack me up man. Really you do I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #27 May 25, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote Guns and the manufacture and sale of, are the most regulated retail item in the US. Somehow I doubt this. I'm -almost- certain nuclear power and aviation lead the way. I fixed it. One can buy a plane at retail, too. How do you think we get them? And we (my university) buy a lot of radioactive materials every year. The regulations are very strict. And since you're nit-picking, manufacture of guns isn't an "item" either.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #28 May 25, 2006 QuoteThe Un won't need to invade you we'll just use your own cops and army after the Anti Gun lobby has been supported to the hilt America will be disarmed from within, if you want to shoot your own people well, no change there I suppose. Perhaps a little history lesson is in order... in this case RECENT history... there are now at least 38 if not 40 states that are decidedly PRO-GUN as evidenced by their passage of concealed carry laws, effectively allowing law-abiding citizens to carry handguns. Also, there has has been defeat after defeat after defeat of the anti-gun lobby in their attempts to pass gun-restricting legislation of late. Oh, and remember the assault weapons ban? Me neither. The anti-gun lobby hardly has any teeth anymore. And it's hard to hurt anyone when you can't bite but can only gum someone. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #29 May 25, 2006 QuoteThe Un won't need to invade you we'll just use your own cops and army after the Anti Gun lobby has been supported to the hilt America will be disarmed from within, if you want to shoot your own people well, no change there I suppose. Yawn, I wonder if you ever have spoken with ANY police officer in the US that is WILLING to try and go house to house conficating guns. I wonder how many officers would still try it after say the first 50 of their dept. are cut to ribbons by superior firepower and accuracy, including field tactics. I know some cops who are SF and or SPECWAR and THEY don't wanna try that. The ONLY people willing to give up their guns are called VICTIMS. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #30 May 25, 2006 How wonderful it must be to live in a paranoid society.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #31 May 25, 2006 QuoteHow wonderful it must be to live in a paranoid society. Or how comfortable and safe you must feel while in denial Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #32 May 25, 2006 Why on earth do so many American's feel it necessary to own guns? Why own a 50cal Desert Eagle for example? (It's a pistol designed by the Israeli's to disable tank engines from close range) Why own an assault rifle? Why own a weapon collection? Weird. In fact, it's not weird. I know what it is. But I'm not trying to wind anyone up. Really. Just can't get my head round it. Is it a Wild West/Gunslinger type thingy? 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #33 May 25, 2006 No, its a little thingy thingy. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #34 May 25, 2006 QuoteHow wonderful it must be to live in a paranoid society. It really is a shame that the most that some can come up w/ is that "we" who own guns and who defend our rights to own guns are "paranoid. As if that is the ONLY possible explanation for this scenario with which we are faced. It shows a clear lack of understanding, closed-mindedness, myopia, whatever you wish to call it. The arguments for gun ownership/possession are compelling and easily found, but it's obviously a waste of breath on the likes of some who are posting here. Just rest assured that our rights, which are NOT given us by any government but rather, merely acknowledged as pre-existing, will not be taken away without a terrible fight. Call it paranoia if you like. I'm still the one carrying the gun. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #35 May 25, 2006 QuoteNo, its a little thingy thingy. Did you think that one up all by yourself? I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #36 May 25, 2006 Gun ownership doesn't make it a paranoid society, look at the Swiss. What make it a paranoid society is the reasons that Americans always come up with to own firearms. 'So I can protect myself' 'So I can defend myself' 'So I can walk down the road without fear' 'So I can be free'. THAT my good man is PARANOIA. I feel sorry for you all.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #37 May 25, 2006 QuoteGun ownership doesn't make it a paranoid society, look at the Swiss. What make it a paranoid society is the reasons that Americans always come up with to own firearms. 'So I can protect myself' 'So I can defend myself' 'So I can walk down the road without fear' 'So I can be free'. THAT my good man is PARANOIA. I feel sorry for you all. Well, don't feel sorry for me, I'm not paranoid at all. Rather, I have a healthy, realistic outlook about life in the US. I know what potential threats there are, and as the father of 4 and husband to a disabled wife, I know it's incumbant upon me to protect them from harm. I also know that it's far more effective to protect myself and my family with a firearm rather than a bow and arrow or an axe. All of your statements only imply a degree of paranoia when you look at the situation through the glass dimly. I find it interesting that you find the US paranoid but not the Swiss. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #38 May 25, 2006 Micro do you live in such an area where you feel it's necessary to defend your family with guns? What about when the children are at school? If you work away from the family, do you take it with you to work? Perhaps in area's in Iraq, or Chechnya for example, there is a clear reason. But America? Land of the IfeelsothreatenedIpackiron? Just seem's all a bit mental. Sorry 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #39 May 25, 2006 I've edited this - even I'm getting bored of being critical of the U.S all the time. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #40 May 25, 2006 Quote Why own a 50cal Desert Eagle for example? (It's a pistol designed by the Israeli's to disable tank engines from close range) It's pretty?! Well, maybe not, but that's in the eye of the beholder. The Beretta 92/96FS is very pretty too, though my least favorite to use. Quote Why own an assault rifle? Why own a weapon collection? the beauty of freedom is not having to explain yourself. ---- The gun control movement peaked in 1999 and believed it was on the verge of winning. As a result, many stopped any pretence of being about control as opposed to elimination. And it was one of many factors that cost Gore the Presidency in 2000. Since then they've been rather impotent, and the Democratic Party gives little more than lip service to the cause. It could shift back into prominence, but I don't see it happening near term. The NY bombings showed that Americans aren't protected within the country's borders and quite a few of them would like to have at least one option should things get hairy. You can own a gun and never use it, but the opposite is not true. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,119 #41 May 25, 2006 >Why own a weapon collection? Why own a stamp collection? Most gun collectors in the US just like the things. Despite appearances here, most americans who own guns don't think that they need to defend themselves from the hordes of people waiting to descend upon them when they are 'disarmed' - they just like owning them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #42 May 25, 2006 QuoteWhy on earth do so many American's feel it necessary to own guns? Why own a 50cal Desert Eagle for example? (It's a pistol designed by the Israeli's to disable tank engines from close range) Why own an assault rifle? Why own a weapon collection? Weird. In fact, it's not weird. I know what it is. But I'm not trying to wind anyone up. Really. Just can't get my head round it. Is it a Wild West/Gunslinger type thingy? 1. Because our constitution says we can. 2. I have no need for a useless handgun, but if someone wants that thing go for it. 3.Because the well made ones are very nice and I like them 4.Because we can, hey some people collect barbie dolls but the image of those dolls has probably done far more harm than the mere existance of collections of firearms. I would like to add that suppressors should not only be legal in all of the 50 states and US territories but MANDATORY when possible....holy fuck do my ears hurt. I wear hearing protection but it wasn't always possible... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #43 May 25, 2006 >The NY bombings showed that Americans aren't protected within the country's borders and quite a few of them would like to have at least one option should things get hairy< Come on!!! Thats a crap excuse! Thats like taking a BASE rig with you to work, as it's a high rise and if terrorists fly planes into the building I might survive that and the only way to terra fima is by parachute... Why don't more of you all wear assault vests and carry tasers then? 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #44 May 25, 2006 Quote >The NY bombings showed that Americans aren't protected within the country's borders and quite a few of them would like to have at least one option should things get hairy< Come on!!! Thats a crap excuse! Thats like taking a BASE rig with you to work, as it's a high rise and if terrorists fly planes into the building I might survive that and the only way to terra fima is by parachute... Why don't more of you all wear assault vests and carry tasers then? Who says we don't? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #45 May 25, 2006 Some people do wear body armor, depending on their job and where they're doing it. As for the Taser issue... just like mace and the rest of that, a weapon is still a more reliable deterrent. You don't actually NEED that 150sq ft square canopy... why aren't you jumping a PC with a belly wart?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #46 May 25, 2006 stamp collectors are geeks Anyway, I'm off to polish my Rambo knives... 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #47 May 25, 2006 actually, it's not about carrying full time (though I'm sure many people outside of California do so) to prepare to engage al Queda. It's more about dealing with the aftermath when social services (read: police) break down. This was very evident in New Orleans last year. and the reality of any potential ban on guns is that it would at least for some time grandfather in current ownership. So it's easier, not to mention cheaper, to buy one now. And with the 10 day waiting period in California, you may not have the legal means to buy one later when you think you need it. The ATF is trying to shut down the largest gun store in the Bay Area on June 1st. If successful, there will be very few vendors left here. Backdoor gun control. Yet another reason to buy ahead of need. And of course, those who like to collect. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #48 May 25, 2006 Anyway, don't want to start a fight. Funniest thing I seen on U.S. tv was some program about a mad cop called Hammer. He's lining himself up on the pistol range with what looks to be a silencer attached to the mag44. His boss asks; "Whats that Hammer? A silencer?" "This little do da's my own invention....." he says, "It's a LOUDENER!" BANG!!!" Classic - about sum's you mentalists up! 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #49 May 25, 2006 QuoteUnderstand that it just doesn't make any sense whatsoever to respond to gun-shy people with language that only reinforces the idea that gun owners are violent, and in this case, potentially murderous. I think it is very clear in context that it was intended to refer to the anti-gun agenda, and not personal violent attacks against anti-gun people. One clue for you was that the term was plural, refering to gun-o-phobes in a collective senes. But believe whatever you want. Anti-gun folks are very good at believing what they want, rather than what is factual and logical. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #50 May 25, 2006 QuoteClearly another xample of why the UN will have to intervean in the US to sort out your gun problems. Oh good! We can make planters out of their cute little blue helmets. In the Sudan, the UN forces often aren't even allowed to be armed, and have to stand by and do nothing, while Muslims slaughter entire villages. Yeah, they're really effective! But hey, don't ask the U.S. to intervene - we wouldn't want to be called terrorists for trying to save people from tyranny. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
