Blame Canada!

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Canada sabotaging Kyoto accord, environmentalists say

Monday, May 22, 2006; Posted: 7:34 a.m. EDT (11:34 GMT)

OSLO, Norway (Reuters) -- Environmentalists on Monday accused Canada of undermining the U.N.'s Kyoto Protocol, saying the president of a meeting on global warming was showing little enthusiasm for new cuts in heat-trapping gases beyond 2012.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/05/22/canada.climate.reut/index.html

So other people are starting to figure out that this won't work if only the "nice" countries do it. Good for them, and the double standard in letting poorer countries pollute more doesn't float well either I guess.

Oh, hello again!

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Damned Canadians!!!!

Richards

My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

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Their not even a proper country anyway....

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

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They're not even a proper country anyway....

[SpeedRacer 1]

what's amazing about Canada is how empty it is.

I was on a flight up to Alaska. The plane had to fly for HOURS over vast, unihabited land. I'd look out the window & see nothing but forest & rough terrain & a few small lakes and NO SIGNS of humanity, except for occasionally youd see a straight line through the wilderness. (maybe a loggin road?). Then I'd go to sleep for an hour & look out again. Still no sign of humans.

If someone wanted to disappear from the world that would be one place where you'd never be found. You'd probably freeze your ass off during the winter though.

Speed Racer
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They're not even a proper country anyway....

Yeah I know!

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

[Schroeder 0]

I flew from Vancouver to Edmonton, then to Yellow Knife, then to Cambridge Bay, then to Resolute Bay, then to the Polaris Mine (northern most in the world(now decomissioned)). Then coming out of there, I flew from Polaris, to Resolute, to Nanisivik, to Iqaluit, to Ottawa, then back to Vancouver.

That was a lot of flying. In total, I made the entire trip twice, and spent 3 months working on Little Cornwallis Island at the Polaris mine during the decomissioning.

The overwhelming vastness of the north is entirely indescribable. That trip would take 2 days of flying, and outside of the main cities, there literally is nothing. There is so much space in Canada... yet the poulation is so densly located around the US/Canada border. The majority of people (citizens), who are responsible for this countries future, have no concept of the size and grandeur of this incredible land. It really saddens me that so many will _never_ see the north, never really comprehend what we've got in our hands. It's other-worldly up there, and I suppose the best I can do is try to expose my family and children to it.

Link to the mine location in google maps (zoom out to see where it is): http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=46.764446,77.431641&q=Polaris+Mine&ll=75.386003,-96.846542&spn=0.117114,0.604935&t=h&om=1

If I ventured in the slipstream; Between the via-ducts of your dreams.......could you find me?

[Remster 30]

Try spending 2 years at Nanisivik! Its not even on the freaking map! lol

Remster

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You worked up there?! I worked on the Nanisivik decomissioning for about a year with a firm I consult to. I only flew in/flew out of Nanisivik on my way South (Polaris is a bit further Northwest) to Ottawa. Nanisivik is nice, terrain is a little more rugged than Polaris (plus, as far as I know, polar bears a rare occurance in Nanisivik). What'd you do there?

If I ventured in the slipstream; Between the via-ducts of your dreams.......could you find me?

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1) Global warming is a problem and we humans are the ones responsible for it.

2) The industrial nations have created most of the problems.

3) The developing nations are only adding to the problem.

4) Unless the entire world can come to an agreement, the problem will only get worse.

5) Is Canada sabotaging the Kyoto accord? Technically the answer is yes.

6) Is Canada solely to blame for this? Absolutely not ... however ...

Given the corrupt history of the former governing party in Canada (the Liberal Party), is it any wonder why Canada is now being singled out as the destroyer of the Kyoto Accord. This group of corrupt politicians and their ever so stupid political voter base can only be blamed. The media would like to blame the current governing party, but all they are saying is that "we can't live up to the agreements this former government made". You would have to shut down every car, every truck and every factory in the country to be able to come close to living up to the promises the former governing party made. Then again, one only needs to look at how the Liberal Party made promises they couldn't keep. Like the gun registry program which was supposed to cost only 2 million dollars when the true costs (which were hidden from the public by cooking the accounting books) ballooned to almost 1 billion dollars. Then on top of this the former governing party (once again the Liberals) were the ones who committed the Canadian Armed Forces to a combat mission in Afghanistan without consulting anyone. But now that this party is no longer in power, they are calling foul and claiming that the troops should never have been there and that the current government is at fault for the inevitable casualties of this war. Finally thank god the current government is going to scrap the child daycare programs the Liberals conceived. Given the corruption and mis-spent public dollars in the gun registry and sponsorship scandal, one can only wonder what sort of government waste and theft would have come from this program (I'm sorry if you can't afford to have children, don't have children. The government should not be responsible for the financial costs associated with you raising children).

So is Canada responsible for sabotaging the Kyoto Accord? Technically the answer is yes. But before people lay blame on the current government, they need to look at the unachievable promises the previous governing party made. If Canadians don't support the current Conservative government, then fine vote for the socialist NDP. But those Canadians who continue to support the corrupt Liberal Party should be ashamed of yourself as you are ultimately responsible for the mess we've found ourselves in, because year after year, election after election, these sheep called the Canadian electorate allowed this Liberal Party to build that entitlement attitude and it's costs the Canadian tax payer dearly.

Now what's all this talk about the uninhabited lands of Canada's north? Well no shit Sherlock ... it's not economically viable to populate those areas. But if you think Canada is the only country with uninhabited lands, some of you guys don't know much about geography. Look at Siberia, or how about the Sahara dessert, the Outback of Australia, the interior of China, shit some of you Yanks haven't even set foot in Wyoming (I used to think Montana was a pretty barren place, but that was before I got to see Wyoming with my own eyes both while driving on the highways, but also from flying over parts of it in a GA aircraft).

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Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

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"Well no shit Sherlock ... it's not economically viable to populate those areas...."

No shit indeed, who said people should pack up and move to the North? My point was that the country isn't geographically understood by it's citizens. And trust me, as a cartographer/GIS analyst, I don't need to a lesson on the uninhabited areas on Earth.

If I ventured in the slipstream; Between the via-ducts of your dreams.......could you find me?

[billvon 3,120]

>Well no shit Sherlock ... it's not economically viable to populate those areas.

Well, if we keep ignoring the problem - those areas soon won't be as uninhabitable. (Hey! Maybe that's the reason they're doing it! A great conspiracy theory . . .)

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A great conspiracy theory

I'm surprised some people aren't blaming Alberta yet. Alberta has tons of oil, natural gas and an ever increasing warming climate (plus the current PM of Canada calls Alberta home). So yes blame Alberta and all the conspiracies people can come up with!!!

I'm just glad I've got strong ties to that province and I got in real estate-wise before the boom. So yes blame Alberta!!! It's the one province that most emulates a State like TX and/or the US as a whole. The rest of Canada is populated predominately by socialist minded people who would rather whine and complain rather than getting out and doing something about their problems.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

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The rest of Canada is populated predominately by socialist minded people who would rather whine and complain rather than getting out and doing something about their problems.

Good gosh, you're starting to sound like an evil conservative!

[CanuckInUSA 0]

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Good gosh, you're starting to sound like an evil conservative!

Socially I'm in the middle. But economically I've been a conservative for a long time.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[Richards 0]

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Given the corrupt history of the former governing party in Canada (the Liberal Party), is it any wonder why Canada is now being singled out as the destroyer of the Kyoto Accord. This group of corrupt politicians and their ever so stupid political voter base can only be blamed. The media would like to blame the current governing party, but all they are saying is that "we can't live up to the agreements this former government made". You would have to shut down every car, every truck and every factory in the country to be able to come close to living up to the promises the former governing party made. Then again, one only needs to look at how the Liberal Party made promises they couldn't keep. Like the gun registry program which was supposed to cost only 2 million dollars when the true costs (which were hidden from the public by cooking the accounting books) ballooned to almost 1 billion dollars. Then on top of this the former governing party (once again the Liberals) were the ones who committed the Canadian Armed Forces to a combat mission in Afghanistan without consulting anyone. But now that this party is no longer in power, they are calling foul and claiming that the troops should never have been there and that the current government is at fault for the inevitable casualties of this war. Finally thank god the current government is going to scrap the child daycare programs the Liberals conceived. Given the corruption and mis-spent public dollars in the gun registry and sponsorship scandal, one can only wonder what sort of government waste and theft would have come from this program (I'm sorry if you can't afford to have children, don't have children. The government should not be responsible for the financial costs associated with you raising children).

So is Canada responsible for sabotaging the Kyoto Accord? Technically the answer is yes. But before people lay blame on the current government, they need to look at the unachievable promises the previous governing party made. If Canadians don't support the current Conservative government, then fine vote for the socialist NDP. But those Canadians who continue to support the corrupt Liberal Party should be ashamed of yourself as you are ultimately responsible for the mess we've found ourselves in, because year after year, election after election, these sheep called the Canadian electorate allowed this Liberal Party to build that entitlement attitude and it's costs the Canadian tax payer dearly.

What is staggering is that so few Canadians recognize these ugly truths.

Richards

My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

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Their not even a proper country anyway....

Thats why we have small man syndrome. Compare National Symbols;

America-Eagle
Britain-Bulldog
China-Dragon
Canada..........Beaver! A fucking beaver. An amphibious rodent who's only other recognition comes from having it's namesake used as a slang term for the female genitalia!

Flags;

America-Stars and Stripes
Britain-Union Jack (which our original flag was derived from before.....)
Mexico-The Eagle holding the snake
Canada.......A leaf? A fucking leaf!! Why not a Cannabis bud? They must have been joking when they made that up and are still waiting for us to figure it out.

Subsequently Canadians (with the exception of Alberta) tend to get a wee touchy and defensive since we have set ourselves up to not be taken seriously.

Richards

My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.