Study: Average IQ Lower for Conservatives

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Yale doesn't count when you have a C average and daddy got you in

How about an MBA from Harvard?

That must explain the outstanding successes of his various business enterprises.

Thanks a LOT! I just fired coffee out of my nose

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That must explain the outstanding successes of his various business enterprises

Sounds like the typical entrepeneur. Wouldn't be the first failed businessman president. He actually made a fortune on these failed attempts though, so it would depend on what one would consider "success".

He made a fortune because Tom Hicks from (pro-war propaganda pushing) Clearchannel bailed him out and bought Bush's baseball team. I wouldn't call that being a successful business man. I'd call that being connected to a powerful family. You know, one that can get you a coveted seat in the guard (and out of it after you don't show up), get you into schools through legacy programs, get you and your wife's driving records purged and new numbers issued, and get you elected president. I'm pretty sure that he'd still be serving fries through a drive through window if he had been Joe Average's son. Membership has its privileges

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They will never grasp the concept that many of the most successful businesspeople of the past had many failures before they succeeded.

After this presidency no one will be able to forget.

Lets remember all the good things Bush has done during his presidency...

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They will never grasp the concept that many of the most successful businesspeople of the past had many failures before they succeeded.

... still meanig they eventually succeeded.
When did that happen for business man GWB?

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I wouldn't call that being a successful business man. I'd call that being connected to a powerful family.

I would call it successful. biggest assets of businessmen are connections after all. Coming from a rich and powerful family will help out a businessman, but a powerful family alone will not be enough for anyone. Whats left takes a strong business sense and entrepeneurship. Pop can't do that. It is evident in the many venture capitalists and other financiers that most of his finance came from everybody but "dad".

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If a bunch of my father's friends gave me $millions, I too could be a multi-millionaire but I wouldn't claim it was due to my success as a businessman.

Prescott Bush's Nazi money came in handy in enriching the Bushes too.

If what you say is true, then there's defintely some sort of finance fraud going around. You seem to have some proof. Call up the IRS and have them investigate the 1120's at the time. You might find the discrepencies in the schedule "L"s and among other forms. Any of that money ends up in his hands that didn't come from any personal asset sales, then i'll beleive the above quoted.

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When did that happen for business man GWB?

He is not a TOTAL failure. He is a top-notch bad example.

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Yep. Carter almost certainly had a higher IQ than Reagan. But here's another study that was recently released that indicates that smart people, like liberals, choke under pressure to the point where dumber people, like conservatives, perform better.

http://www.livescience.com/humanbiology/050209_under_pressure.html

"A new study finds that individuals with high working-memory capacity, which normally allows them to excel, crack under pressure and do worse on simple exams than when allowed to work with no constraints. Those with less capacity score low, too, but they tend not to be affected by pressure."

I follow your logic, but I don't see the performance of conservs that way - do you have examples of Repubs functioning better under pressure?

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While it os not true that most conservatives are stupid, it is true that most stupids are conservative. - author unknown

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"...data from the widely used General Social Survey (GSS) consistently show that Republicans are better educated than Democrats (on average, they have more than half a year more education and hold a higher final degree)."

Source: TCS Daily

Every once in a while even the mainstream media wakes up enough to notice the remarkable dearth of conservatives and libertarians in US universities and colleges. Of course, this isnt exactly a man bites dog story. As George Will recently put it:

Not a Republican rag.....no.

For instance, nearly half said that their professors frequently comment on politics in class even though it has nothing to do with the course or use the classroom to present their personal political views. In answers to other questions, the majority acknowledged that liberal views predominate. Most troubling, however, were the responses to the survey item On my campus, there are courses in which students feel they have to agree with the professor's political or social views in order to get a good grade -- 29% agreed.

More evidence of this not being a Repub rag.... I/m gonna go research Moveon.com....

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(on average, they have more than half a year more education and hold a higher final degree).

Yale doesn't count when you have a C average and daddy got you in.

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Don't worry, what Bush lacks in intelligence he makes up for in stupidity....

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. . . do you have examples of Repubs functioning better under pressure?

The RNC and DNC are both under pressure to raise as much money as possible for the coming elections.

Which team do you think is doing better?

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"...data from the widely used General Social Survey (GSS) consistently show that Republicans are better educated than Democrats (on average, they have more than half a year more education and hold a higher final degree)."

Source: TCS Daily

Every once in a while even the mainstream media wakes up enough to notice the remarkable dearth of conservatives and libertarians in US universities and colleges. Of course, this isnt exactly a man bites dog story. As George Will recently put it:

Not a Republican rag.....no.

For instance, nearly half said that their professors frequently comment on politics in class even though it has nothing to do with the course or use the classroom to present their personal political views. In answers to other questions, the majority acknowledged that liberal views predominate. Most troubling, however, were the responses to the survey item On my campus, there are courses in which students feel they have to agree with the professor's political or social views in order to get a good grade -- 29% agreed.

More evidence of this not being a Repub rag.... I/m gonna go research Moveon.com....

Most troubling might be if 71% agreed. 29% agreeing is acceptable. It's probably the 29% who don't get what they consider a good grade because they don't put in the effort.

That's aside from the fact that just because 29% whine about it, doesn't mean that it actually happens at all.

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. . . do you have examples of Repubs functioning better under pressure?

The RNC and DNC are both under pressure to raise as much money as possible for the coming elections.

Which team do you think is doing better?

The one who gets the greatest percentage of the money doled out by multinational energy and pharmaceutical companies, banks and other large corporate interests.

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I'm waiting for the multi-million dollar study that will investigate whether or not people with high IQ's are smarter than people with low IQ's.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

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I'm waiting for the multi-million dollar study that will investigate whether or not people with high IQ's are smarter than people with low IQ's.

hush, my proposal is in review right now for fed funding

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. . . do you have examples of Repubs functioning better under pressure?

The RNC and DNC are both under pressure to raise as much money as possible for the coming elections.

Which team do you think is doing better?

Not pandering to beg for money, actually operating as a representative under pressure.

Typical GOP answer tho, raising money to convince votes is above actually functioning as a representative

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"...data from the widely used General Social Survey (GSS) consistently show that Republicans are better educated than Democrats (on average, they have more than half a year more education and hold a higher final degree)."

Source: TCS Daily

Every once in a while even the mainstream media wakes up enough to notice the remarkable dearth of conservatives and libertarians in US universities and colleges. Of course, this isnt exactly a man bites dog story. As George Will recently put it:

Not a Republican rag.....no.

For instance, nearly half said that their professors frequently comment on politics in class even though it has nothing to do with the course or use the classroom to present their personal political views. In answers to other questions, the majority acknowledged that liberal views predominate. Most troubling, however, were the responses to the survey item On my campus, there are courses in which students feel they have to agree with the professor's political or social views in order to get a good grade -- 29% agreed.

More evidence of this not being a Repub rag.... I/m gonna go research Moveon.com....

Most troubling might be if 71% agreed. 29% agreeing is acceptable. It's probably the 29% who don't get what they consider a good grade because they don't put in the effort.

That's aside from the fact that just because 29% whine about it, doesn't mean that it actually happens at all.

You missed the point, this article is a republican rag....

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I'm waiting for the multi-million dollar study that will investigate whether or not people with high IQ's are smarter than people with low IQ's.

Sure, probably just more logical. I think compassion for people also falls into this, as Repubs tend to put money before people. Of course the response would be that it's other people'smoney, making it a circular argument, but to disallow the poor people of a nation to have access to medical coverage pretty much sums up the nature of this country.

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You missed the point, this article is a republican rag....

Here's the text of the information about professors and political bias... of course, it's from the WSJ so it *can't* be true - right, Lucky? After all, the message doesn't count if it's not from an approved source...

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A Chill in the Classroom
Liberal professors routinely harass conservative students.

Friday, December 3, 2004 12:01 a.m. EST

Most Journal readers over a certain age can remember going all the way through college without politics intruding in the classroom. Until the Vietnam War, for instance, few students knew their professors' views, and even then most politicking took place on parts of the campus where participation was voluntary. That is no longer true--and, as a new survey commissioned by the American Council of Trustees and Alumni (ACTA) documents, it is making many students uneasy.

The ACTA survey was conducted this fall by the Center for Survey Research & Analysis at the University of Connecticut, among students at 50 top U.S. universities and colleges. It sought to ascertain the perceived levels of classroom politicization and of intellectual intolerance among faculty members. The results were striking.

Academic Freedom

Some student responses at Yale:

* "My professor mocked conservatives constantly."

* "Professors in Biology were extremely anti-religion and mocked it openly. Pro left-wing jokes/anti-Bush jokes abound."

* "I feel intimidated."

* "My Spanish teacher only presented readings against Bush's trade policy in Latin America. . . . Also actively silenced people who disagreed with her."

* "Professors often have a slant in the readings they choose. As long as you're aware of it, you can prepare against it."

For instance, nearly half said that their professors "frequently comment on politics in class even though it has nothing to do with the course" or use the classroom to present their personal political views. In answers to other questions, the majority acknowledged that liberal views predominate. Most troubling, however, were the responses to the survey item "On my campus, there are courses in which students feel they have to agree with the professor's political or social views in order to get a good grade"--29% agreed.

ACTA's president, Anne Neal, is alarmed. "One case of political intolerance is too many," she says. "But the fact that half the students are reporting [some] abuses is simply unacceptable. If these were reports of sexual harassment in the classroom, they would get people's attention."

A recent informal survey at Yale, where students answered questions about academic freedom posed by the Yale Free Press, the conservative/libertarian student paper, also deserves attention. Although the entire first run of its November issue containing the study was stolen on campus, it can be downloaded at www.yale.edu/yfp. To sum up: While some Yalies said that politics either didn't arise in class or caused no problem because they shared the professor's views, others recounted unpleasant experiences. One example:

"My teacher came into class the day after the election proclaiming, 'That's it. This is the death of America.' The rest of the class was eager to agree, and twenty minutes of Bush-bashing ensued. At one point, one student asked our teacher whether she should be so vocal, lest any students be conservatives. She then asked us whether any of us were Republicans. Naturally, no one volunteered that information, whereupon our teacher turned to the inquisitive student and said, 'See? No one in here would be stupid enough to vote for Bush.' "

Some students undoubtedly find such banter fun. But for others it can be chilling. And just as teachers' freedom of speech must be protected, so must students' freedom to learn, if it is threatened. After all, as ACTA's Anne Neal points out, "The inability to benefit from a robust and free exchange of ideas--intellectual harassment if you will--goes to the very heart of the academic enterprise."

How about the information straight from ACTA?

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SURVEY REVEALS PERVASIVE POLITICAL PRESSURE IN THE CLASSROOM

Students: 49% Report Professors Preach Rather Than Teach

Washington, DC (November 30, 2004) -- 49% of the students at the top 50 colleges and universities say professors frequently inject political comments into their courses, even if they have nothing to do with the subject. Almost one-third—29%—feel they have to agree with the professor’s political views to get a good grade.

A survey commissioned by the American Council of Trustees and Alumni reveals the politicization of the classroom and the intellectual intolerance of faculty.

According to the survey:

* 48% report campus presentations on political issues that “seem totally one-sided.”
* 46% say professors “use the classroom to present their personal political views.”
* 42% of students fault reading assignments for presenting only one side of a controversial issue.

The survey also indicates that political comments are consistently partisan. The survey, which was conducted just before and after the American presidential election, found that 68% of the students reported negative remarks in class about Pres. George Bush while 62% said professors praised Sen. John Kerry.

“Students pay hefty tuition to get an education, not to hear some professors’ pet political views,” said Anne Neal, president of ACTA. “When politics is relevant, multiple perspectives should be presented. The classroom should be a place where students are free to explore different points of view. They should not feel they will be penalized if they think for themselves.”

The ACTA survey was conducted in late October and early November by the Center for Survey Research & Analysis at the University of Connecticut at the 50 colleges and universities top-ranked by U.S. News & World Report. List attached.

The survey shows that college and university faculty are biased: 74% of students said professors made positive remarks about liberals while 47% reported negative comments about conservatives. A substantial majority—83 %—said that student evaluations administered by the college did not ask about a professor’s political biases.

The survey comes in the wake of a number of studies that have shown that party registrations of college professors are overwhelmingly one-sided. Last week, the Princeton, NJ-based National Association of Scholars released a study showing that the ratio of Democrats to Republicans at some top-50 schools is as high as 9 to 1.

American Association of University Professors president Roger W. Bowen called the NAS study “wrongheaded” and stated that political affiliations of professors are of little consequence in the classroom.

“The ACTA survey clearly shows that faculty are injecting politics into the classroom in ways that students believe infringe upon their freedom to learn,” said Neal.

ACTA opposes legislative intervention and is preparing guidelines for trustees and administrators on how best to ensure intellectual diversity and tolerance on our college and university campuses.

“The lack of intellectual diversity on our college campuses is clearly a problem,” said Neal. “We believe boards of trustees have the responsibility to ensure that students are exposed to a free and open exchange of ideas and are encouraged to think for themselves.”

The ACTA survey has an error rate of plus or minus four. The majority of students surveyed majored in subjects like biology, engineering and psychology—subjects that have nothing to do with politics. Referenced survey questions are available upon request.

ACTA is a nonprofit educational organization based in Washington, DC, and dedicated to academic freedom, academic quality, and accountability. It is located at 1726 M Street, N.W., Suite 802, Washington, DC 20036.

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