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[billvon 3,114]

>it is all about WORLD DOMINATION always has been and always will be.

>First it was the Persians, then the Greeks, The Romans, the Turks,
> the Christians, the Muslims, the Christians again, then the British,
> the Japanese, teh Americans, the Communists, Corporatism, and
> now the Muslims again.

Are you saying that you look at the world - with the US, the former USSR, China, North Korea and all the rest of the countries - and you think the MUSLIMS are currently trying for world domination?

Wow.

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>it is all about WORLD DOMINATION always has been and always will be.

>First it was the Persians, then the Greeks, The Romans, the Turks,
> the Christians, the Muslims, the Christians again, then the British,
> the Japanese, teh Americans, the Communists, Corporatism, and
> now the Muslims again.

Are you saying that you look at the world - with the US, the former USSR, China, North Korea and all the rest of the countries - and you think the MUSLIMS are currently trying for world domination?

Wow.

Just one of the many groups, this shouldn't suprise anyone.

The Islamic fundamentalists are pretty pissed that what was once theirs is now in the control of others.

They once controlled a major portion of the civilized world, and now feel it is time that ALL is returned to them, whatever the means neccessary.

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That is bullshit. If we wanted to do that, we'd have done it along time ago. How much oil are we taking from the Iraqis? _NONE_

Don't take my word for it:

Dick Cheney, USA Vice-President (from 2000) speaking in 1990:
"Whoever controls the flow of Persian Gulf oil has a stranglehold not only on our economy but also on the other countries of the world as well."

Reagan on Defending American Oil Interests in the Gulf
Nov. 26, 1983
Reagan
"...we should assign the highest priority to access arrangements which would facilitate the rapid deployment of those forces necessary to defend the critical oil facilities..."

Brig. General Looney: We Own Their Country
Jun. 24, 1996
US Brig. General William Looney, Washington Post
"We dictate the way they live and talk... It's a good thing, especially when there's a lot of oil out there we need."

Chalabi on U.S Oil Companies in Post-Conflict Iraq
May 2, 2003
Ahmad Chalabi, formerly of the Iraqi National Congress
"American companies will have a big shot at Iraqi oil."

Iraq battle: dead in the middle of the national energy supplies
04, 2006
four-star General Barry McCaffrey
Still, McCaffrey says the nation must persevere, because the battle is dead in the middle of the national energy supplies for the U.S., the Europeans, the Japanese and others.

For the next few decades, Iraq is our station in the Middle East.
Feb. 2004
U.S. General Jay Garner
"Look back on the Philippines around the turn of the 20th century: they were a coaling station for the navy, and that allowed us to keep a great presence in the Pacific. That's what Iraq is for the next few decades: our coaling station that gives us great presence in the Middle East"

The U.S. has an enormous stake in the Persion Gulf because of oil
Mar. 1994
Paul Wolfowitz
“The United States and the entire industrialized world have an enormous stake in the security of the Persian Gulf, not primarily in order to save a few dollars per gallon of gasoline but rather because a hostile regime in control of those resources could wreak untold damage on the world's economy, and could apply that wealth to purposes that would endanger peace globally.”

OR you could recite the official line like a good American patriot.

Rumsfeld: 'It has nothing to do with oil -- literally nothing.'
Nov. 14, 2002
Rumsfeld
"Nonsense. It just isn't. There are certain things like that, myths, that are floating around. I'm glad you asked. It has nothing to do with oil, literally nothing to do with oil."

[billvon 3,114]

>They once controlled a major portion of the civilized world, and now
> feel it is time that ALL is returned to them, whatever the means
> neccessary.

Nonsense. As a group, muslims don't want to take over the world any more than christians want all abortion doctors dead. We are currently scared of them because we're fighting muslims in Iraq - but we brought that war to them, not the other way around.

If you want a group that really wants to 'take over' consider the Tamil Tigers. They are a terrorist group of over 10,000 trained soldiers who have killed thousands through suicide bombings and military attacks. Their stated goal is ethnic cleansing and overthrow of the Sri Lankan government.

[StreetScooby 5]

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Don't take my word for it:

You're making it sound like we're going to steal their oil. These guys are saying their keeping commerce lines open. BIG DIFFERENCE.

We are all engines of karma

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>They once controlled a major portion of the civilized world, and now
> feel it is time that ALL is returned to them, whatever the means
> neccessary.

Nonsense. As a group, muslims don't want to take over the world any more than christians want all abortion doctors dead. We are currently scared of them because we're fighting muslims in Iraq - but we brought that war to them, not the other way around.

If you want a group that really wants to 'take over' consider the Tamil Tigers. They are a terrorist group of over 10,000 trained soldiers who have killed thousands through suicide bombings and military attacks. Their stated goal is ethnic cleansing and overthrow of the Sri Lankan government.

I didn't mean Omar the rug maker, I meant the ruling Mullahs who are hell bent on destroying anything that does not follow Islam as they see it, EVEN FELLOW MUSLIMS

[billvon 3,114]

>I meant the ruling Mullahs who are hell bent on destroying
>anything that does not follow Islam as they see it, EVEN FELLOW MUSLIMS . . .

Ah, OK. I agree there are some Muslims that are terrorists. (Of course, there are also some atheists and some christians who are terrorists too.) I wouldn't worry about any of those nuts "taking over the world" though.

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Don't take my word for it:

You're making it sound like we're going to steal their oil. These guys are saying their keeping commerce lines open. BIG DIFFERENCE.

"Keep commerce lines open". That's a nice way of saying "manipulating the political arena so that we can make sure that we have access to the oil and so that none of these countries gains any real power in the world community". If they're powerful, we have to negotiate with them. So the bottom line is, we're destabilizing the region because it's profitable for the US and it's multinational conglomerate buddies. Wouldn't you be pissed off and ready to attack if China forcibly came over here, broke up our infrastructure and exploited our......our......(what do we have again?) our corn? Damn right. Me too. I wonder if you'd see Chinese citizens carrying signs that read "No War for Corn"!!!

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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You're making it sound like we're going to steal their oil. These guys are saying their keeping commerce lines open. BIG DIFFERENCE.

PLus american companies are profitting, plus it is traded in US dollars....maybe not stealing, but certainly creating major "fringe" benefits.

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You're making it sound like we're going to steal their oil. These guys are saying their keeping commerce lines open. BIG DIFFERENCE.

PLus american companies are profitting, plus it is traded in US dollars....maybe not stealing, but certainly creating major "fringe" benefits.

As a side bar, I saw something posted on the White House website the other day. It was boasting that we have implemented 95% of the suggestions that came out of Cheney's secret energy task force meetings. Coincidence that those who attended the meetings are reaping world record profits?

[avenfoto 0]

now now now guys, letes not make too much sense here... we need to generalize more, and get all worked up... not make sensible posts, with data to back them up... four more years of war is peace please...

gwb deserves to be in prison... cheney and lay too..

fuck 'em

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Ah, OK. I agree there are some Muslims that are terrorists. (Of course, there are also some atheists and some christians who are terrorists too.)

You are correct, but TODAY, in 2006, what would you say is the ratio between Muslim terrorists and Christian terrorists worldwide?

I'm guessing about 10,000 to 1, which renders your continual comaprisons between the two groups meaningless. Got a ratio in mind yourself?

. . =(_8^(1)

[billvon 3,114]

>what would you say is the ratio between Muslim terrorists and Christian
>terrorists worldwide?

If you mean "what's the ratio between Christians killing Muslims and Muslims killing Christians" it's about 1:1. If you mean "what's the ratio between muslims we have labeled terrorists and christian allies we think are terrorists" it's approximately infinite.

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>what would you say is the ratio between Muslim terrorists and Christian
>terrorists worldwide?

If you mean "what's the ratio between Christians killing Muslims and Muslims killing Christians" it's about 1:1. If you mean "what's the ratio between muslims we have labeled terrorists and christian allies we think are terrorists" it's approximately infinite.

So to make your comparisons valid, I have to believe a US soldier is as much of a terrorist as a terrorist. Ok, gotcha.

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[billvon 3,114]

>So to make your comparisons valid, I have to believe a US soldier is
>as much of a terrorist as a terrorist.

Nope, not even close. Perhaps if you read it again you'll get it - it was only two sentences.

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You are correct, but TODAY, in 2006, what would you say is the ratio between Muslim terrorists and Christian terrorists worldwide?

I'm guessing about 10,000 to 1, which renders your continual comaprisons between the two groups meaningless. Got a ratio in mind yourself?

Much of it depends on perspective. Many people consider the Palestinians to be terrorists and the Israelis to be Jews who are defending themselves from terrorists. Ask a Palestinian his/her perspective and the answer would be just the opposite.

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Yeap... one mans' freedom fighter is another mans' terroist.

The winning side gets to write the rules.

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome