SkyDekker 1,465 #51 May 19, 2006 QuoteApparently you have very little knowledge of law if you think a SCOTUS means nothing unless it's taken to court and ruled on. The SCOTUS I cited is the ruling. unless the case is different off course. A SCOTUS ruling on the legality of terminating mice has nothing to do with a death row case. So, the SCOTUS ruling has to be relevant. In this case there could well be enough questions. QuoteWho requested what information? WTF are you talking about? Who requested the call information from AT&T? According to the US Code it has to be the FBI. Was it in this case? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #52 May 19, 2006 QuoteQuote>Hey, all we get from the left anymore is thinly veiled PA's, comparisons to >Hitler, how stupid people who voted for Bush are etc. And from the right we get phrases like "the loony libs" "why do they hate america" "media whore!" etc. (To their credit, several of them are now admitting they made a mistake voting for Bush.) >No arguments, no suggestions on how US Security could be improved. There have been hundreds of such suggestions. The right wing treats them thusly: 1) Quashes them in Congress; easy for the majority party to do. 2) Ridicules them. 3) Says they never made them. No one's buying it any more. The net makes it too easy to see through the party line. Perhaps you can give me an example other than "lets cut and run in Iraq". - So it's OK for Bush's daddy to cut-n-run after stirring the pot and angering OBL, then blame Clinton for any acts against us? Basically, if you're picking a war somewhere, anywhere, you're ok with the right, but if you choose to avoid war you're a coward. Again, Bush sr cut-n-ran.....why ok for him to do it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #53 May 19, 2006 QuoteQuote Advocating some sort of crackdown on media freedom is the scariest and most irresponsible thing I have seen posted in SC to date. There are a few, very small steps between a fearful, controlled, or intimidated media and a totalitarian state. Zipp0 I can't even begin to get into this thread. I'll just say that I agree with your above statement. These folks are bad. They assume massive executive power, they won't allow any checks and balances, and if you question them then you get attacked. There is no transparency. Everything has been reduced to "I can't tell you, just trust us. It's for your own good". These are troublesome times. Ahhhh, reminds me of the US' first impeachment, Andrew Johnson, who was impeached for usurpation of power, amongst other things. The right has changed protocol through through the decades, but this has never changed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #54 May 19, 2006 >Perhaps you can give me an example other than "lets cut and run in Iraq". Biden is currently proposing a division of Iraq into three autonomous regions to cut down on secterian violence. 2005 - Kerry proposed a clear timetable for transfer of authority to the Iraq government as Iraqi troops took over. 2005 - Reid proposed a three-part plan for victory in Iraq - transition to full sovereignty, a pledge to the Iraqi people to leave, and a firm schedule of timetables and progress reports. 2005 - Albright proposed a 50 percent increase in federal spending on homeland security, the creation of a domestic intelligence agency, and a Cabinet-level ranking for the Federal Emergency Management Agency. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unformed 0 #55 May 19, 2006 QuoteQuote Advocating some sort of crackdown on media freedom is the scariest and most irresponsible thing I have seen posted in SC to date. There are a few, very small steps between a fearful, controlled, or intimidated media and a totalitarian state. Zipp0 I can't even begin to get into this thread. I'll just say that I agree with your above statement. These folks are bad. They assume massive executive power, they won't allow any checks and balances, and if you question them then you get attacked. There is no transparency. Everything has been reduced to "I can't tell you, just trust us. It's for your own good". These are troublesome times. If you can't trust your own government, who, then, may I ask, can you trust?This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Misternatural 0 #56 May 19, 2006 QuoteIs there someting you would like to share with everybody here about your illegal activities? Let's test the system to see if an episode of Cops will be filmed at your house. If they did come by they might not like the reception they get from their bosses, after being interrupted whilst having coffee at a friends house. ahuh, yes of course; "coffee"Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #57 May 19, 2006 Quote If you can't trust your own government, who, then, may I ask, can you trust? I really don't know how to reply to this question. You've got me on the ropes with my jaw hanging wide open in disbelief. I think I hear sheep. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #58 May 19, 2006 Gravitymaster, May I throw you a query and see if you can find or know the answer. Who (which Senator) Authored, offered and got passed legislation that FORCED the telecomes to include in thier hardware and/or software, devices that allow the kind of data tracking and/or listening of calls that is making the libs and media foam at the mouth today?? The answer is priceless!!!"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #59 May 19, 2006 QuoteWho (which Senator) Authored, offered and got passed legislation that FORCED the telecomes to include in thier hardware and/or software, devices that allow the kind of data tracking and/or listening of calls that is making the libs and media foam at the mouth today?? Funny, but not the point. Nobody is mad about the fact that the telecom companies can do this. But then again you are not really interested in actually debating the issue it seems.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #60 May 19, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteI provided plenty of rebuttals and back up including SCOTUS decisions and US Code. QuoteExcept that that SCTUS decision and the portion of the US Code you cited leave plenty important questions unanswered. To the point where they really don't mean anything unless taken to court and ruled on. You always seem to conveniently ignore that part. Apparently you have very little knowledge of law if you think a SCOTUS means nothing unless it's taken to court and ruled on. The SCOTUS I cited is the ruling. Why do you think a part of the U.S. Code is invalid. Unless there is a reason to believe it's unconstitutional, there's no reason to have a judicial review. Please point me to your legal source where you got these ideas from. QuoteHere is one for you, since you have all the proof. Who requested the information? Who requested what information? WTF are you talking about? QuoteApparently you have very little knowledge of law if you think a SCOTUS means nothing unless it's taken to court and ruled on. The SCOTUS I cited is the ruling. Why do you think a part of the U.S. Code is invalid. Unless there is a reason to believe it's unconstitutional, there's no reason to have a judicial review. Please point me to your legal source where you got these ideas from. Like this one: Katz v US http://www.oyez.org/oyez/resource/case/198/ So that means Bush has once again broken the law????? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #61 May 19, 2006 I know this doen't matter to you but Plame arranged her husbands trip Plame was not a covert agent so she was not outed Wilson lied through his teeth as even the agenda driven 911 commision said Wilson misrepresented the information he himself had gathered. I know that facts are a bothersome distraction to you over this subject....."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #62 May 19, 2006 Seeing how you are issueless(no issue here) that is a funny comment!"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites idrankwhat 0 #63 May 19, 2006 QuoteI know this doen't matter to you but Plame arranged her husbands trip Plame was not a covert agent so she was not outed Wilson lied through his teeth as even the agenda driven 911 commision said Wilson misrepresented the information he himself had gathered. I know that facts are a bothersome distraction to you over this subject..... Still waiting for Bush to fire himself, Cheney and Rove over that one. Should I hold my breath? I mean he promised us that he would Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #64 May 19, 2006 QuoteQuoteI know this doen't matter to you but Plame arranged her husbands trip Plame was not a covert agent so she was not outed Wilson lied through his teeth as even the agenda driven 911 commision said Wilson misrepresented the information he himself had gathered. I know that facts are a bothersome distraction to you over this subject..... Still waiting for Bush to fire himself, Cheney and Rove over that one. Should I hold my breath? I mean he promised us that he would Go find the quote He said if secret info was revealed He knew exactly what he was saying at the time. God I love this!!! Over and over Bush wins. Gotta really hurt now doesn't it!"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zipp0 1 #65 May 19, 2006 QuoteI know this doen't matter to you but Plame arranged her husbands trip Plame was not a covert agent so she was not outed Wilson lied through his teeth as even the agenda driven 911 commision said Wilson misrepresentedthe information he himself had gathered. I know that facts are a bothersome distraction to you over this subject..... Facts, eh? Where's your proof? Oh, wait, Limbaugh must have said it, and it is therefore a fact. Fact: Libby indicted for one count of obstruction of justice, two counts of perjury, and two counts of making false statements. What's he covering up, hmmm? Libby took the fall to protect Rove, Cheney, et. al. The funny thing is, I can admit when politicians I have supported has done something wrong, but you Bushies would prefer to go down with the ship. Well, be my guest. Zipp0 -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites idrankwhat 0 #66 May 19, 2006 Quote Go find the quote He said if secret info was revealed He knew exactly what he was saying at the time. God I love this!!! Over and over Bush wins. Gotta really hurt now doesn't it! What are you saying? You mean Bush deliberately mislead us I'm shocked Let me guess, you get all your information from numerous sources. Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly AND Savage. "What kind of music do ya'll like around here?" "Oh, we got both kinds. Country AND Western". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #67 May 19, 2006 QuoteSeeing how you are issueless(no issue here) that is a funny comment! So here is a question for you on an actual issue pertaining to this thread. Who requested the information from AT&T? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,148 #68 May 19, 2006 QuoteQuote Bush lied about warrantless wiretaps. Bush lied about torture. Yet you still trust Bush. These statements are lies kallend!!! ...and you want us to believe you? Have you been at the Newsmax again? You know it warps your sense of reality.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #69 May 19, 2006 QuoteQuoteI know this doen't matter to you but Plame arranged her husbands trip Plame was not a covert agent so she was not outed Wilson lied through his teeth as even the agenda driven 911 commision said Wilson misrepresentedthe information he himself had gathered. I know that facts are a bothersome distraction to you over this subject..... Facts, eh? Where's your proof? Oh, wait, Limbaugh must have said it, and it is therefore a fact. Fact: Libby indicted for one count of obstruction of justice, two counts of perjury, and two counts of making false statements. What's he covering up, hmmm? Libby took the fall to protect Rove, Cheney, et. al. The funny thing is, I can admit when politicians I have supported has done something wrong, but you Bushies would prefer to go down with the ship. Well, be my guest. Zipp0 Everything I said has been documented. You say Libby took the fall. And you ask me if I have proof Please don't let me distort your world view. That would be way to tramatic. By the way, Fitzgerald has said the Plame was not outed. Libby has been charged with a process crime not related to the supposed "outing" And you say the Bushies are going down with the ship. what a hoot......"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #70 May 19, 2006 QuoteQuote Go find the quote He said if secret info was revealed He knew exactly what he was saying at the time. God I love this!!! Over and over Bush wins. Gotta really hurt now doesn't it! What are you saying? You mean Bush deliberately mislead us I'm shocked Let me guess, you get all your information from numerous sources. Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly AND Savage. "What kind of music do ya'll like around here?" "Oh, we got both kinds. Country AND Western". Come on baby, lets do the twist. Come on baaaby, lets do the twist...."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pirana 0 #71 May 19, 2006 That's because they are being recorded, at least some of them. I would not be surprised to learn that close to that portion of adults had been recorded by some government agency or another at some point in their lives. Got pulled in for grilling once when the cops were investigating a person on the fringe of one of my groups of friends at college. This was a small-time coke dealer, and they had a big photo album with pictures of everybody this guy hung out with even marginally. I'm sure his telephone was tapped also. If they go that far for a guy selling bits of pot and coke, I easily believe they would go overboard (as they should) to keep tabs on terrorism. If you do not want to be recorded, stay off the telephone. More and more companies record all calls in to their organization now, and the threshold for size of companies doing it is moving down very steadily. Even private parties are beginning to get into the act. It's getting cheaper all the time and is far less regulated than most people think." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #72 May 19, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote Bush lied about warrantless wiretaps. Bush lied about torture. Yet you still trust Bush. These statements are lies kallend!!! ...and you want us to believe you? Have you been at the Newsmax again? You know it warps your sense of reality. ....aaaahhhhh....NewsMax (drool) "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zipp0 1 #73 May 19, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteI know this doen't matter to you but Plame arranged her husbands trip Plame was not a covert agent so she was not outed Wilson lied through his teeth as even the agenda driven 911 commision said Wilson misrepresentedthe information he himself had gathered. I know that facts are a bothersome distraction to you over this subject..... Facts, eh? Where's your proof? Oh, wait, Limbaugh must have said it, and it is therefore a fact. Fact: Libby indicted for one count of obstruction of justice, two counts of perjury, and two counts of making false statements. What's he covering up, hmmm? Libby took the fall to protect Rove, Cheney, et. al. The funny thing is, I can admit when politicians I have supported has done something wrong, but you Bushies would prefer to go down with the ship. Well, be my guest. Zipp0 Everything I said has been documented. You say Libby took the fall. And you ask me if I have proof Please don't let me distort your world view. That would be way to tramatic. By the way, Fitzgerald has said the Plame was not outed. Libby has been charged with a process crime not related to the supposed "outing" And you say the Bushies are going down with the ship. what a hoot...... The crimes Libby is charged with were meant to hinder the investigation, and cloud the truth. Or, as Fitzgerald said "It's like kicking sand in the face of the umpire." If there was no cover-up, why is Scooter Lying? In the end, you will lose. So, enjoy Bush's current status as the "Teflon Don" (remember Slick Willie?) but be ready when Humpty Dumpty has his great fall. Zipp0 -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pirana 0 #74 May 19, 2006 QuoteQuote Advocating some sort of crackdown on media freedom is the scariest and most irresponsible thing I have seen posted in SC to date. There are a few, very small steps between a fearful, controlled, or intimidated media and a totalitarian state. Zipp0 I can't even begin to get into this thread. I'll just say that I agree with your above statement. These folks are bad. They assume massive executive power, they won't allow any checks and balances, and if you question them then you get attacked. There is no transparency. Everything has been reduced to "I can't tell you, just trust us. It's for your own good". These are troublesome times. I heard someone put it very succinctly not long ago: "Beware of those who display a disdain for the purifying power of sunlight."" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites idrankwhat 0 #75 May 19, 2006 Quote In the end, you will lose. So, enjoy Bush's current status as the "Teflon Don" (remember Slick Willie?) but be ready when Humpty Dumpty has his great fall. Zipp0 "Dubya D40"! Made that one up myself! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 3 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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rushmc 23 #61 May 19, 2006 I know this doen't matter to you but Plame arranged her husbands trip Plame was not a covert agent so she was not outed Wilson lied through his teeth as even the agenda driven 911 commision said Wilson misrepresented the information he himself had gathered. I know that facts are a bothersome distraction to you over this subject....."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #62 May 19, 2006 Seeing how you are issueless(no issue here) that is a funny comment!"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #63 May 19, 2006 QuoteI know this doen't matter to you but Plame arranged her husbands trip Plame was not a covert agent so she was not outed Wilson lied through his teeth as even the agenda driven 911 commision said Wilson misrepresented the information he himself had gathered. I know that facts are a bothersome distraction to you over this subject..... Still waiting for Bush to fire himself, Cheney and Rove over that one. Should I hold my breath? I mean he promised us that he would Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #64 May 19, 2006 QuoteQuoteI know this doen't matter to you but Plame arranged her husbands trip Plame was not a covert agent so she was not outed Wilson lied through his teeth as even the agenda driven 911 commision said Wilson misrepresented the information he himself had gathered. I know that facts are a bothersome distraction to you over this subject..... Still waiting for Bush to fire himself, Cheney and Rove over that one. Should I hold my breath? I mean he promised us that he would Go find the quote He said if secret info was revealed He knew exactly what he was saying at the time. God I love this!!! Over and over Bush wins. Gotta really hurt now doesn't it!"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #65 May 19, 2006 QuoteI know this doen't matter to you but Plame arranged her husbands trip Plame was not a covert agent so she was not outed Wilson lied through his teeth as even the agenda driven 911 commision said Wilson misrepresentedthe information he himself had gathered. I know that facts are a bothersome distraction to you over this subject..... Facts, eh? Where's your proof? Oh, wait, Limbaugh must have said it, and it is therefore a fact. Fact: Libby indicted for one count of obstruction of justice, two counts of perjury, and two counts of making false statements. What's he covering up, hmmm? Libby took the fall to protect Rove, Cheney, et. al. The funny thing is, I can admit when politicians I have supported has done something wrong, but you Bushies would prefer to go down with the ship. Well, be my guest. Zipp0 -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #66 May 19, 2006 Quote Go find the quote He said if secret info was revealed He knew exactly what he was saying at the time. God I love this!!! Over and over Bush wins. Gotta really hurt now doesn't it! What are you saying? You mean Bush deliberately mislead us I'm shocked Let me guess, you get all your information from numerous sources. Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly AND Savage. "What kind of music do ya'll like around here?" "Oh, we got both kinds. Country AND Western". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #67 May 19, 2006 QuoteSeeing how you are issueless(no issue here) that is a funny comment! So here is a question for you on an actual issue pertaining to this thread. Who requested the information from AT&T? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #68 May 19, 2006 QuoteQuote Bush lied about warrantless wiretaps. Bush lied about torture. Yet you still trust Bush. These statements are lies kallend!!! ...and you want us to believe you? Have you been at the Newsmax again? You know it warps your sense of reality.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #69 May 19, 2006 QuoteQuoteI know this doen't matter to you but Plame arranged her husbands trip Plame was not a covert agent so she was not outed Wilson lied through his teeth as even the agenda driven 911 commision said Wilson misrepresentedthe information he himself had gathered. I know that facts are a bothersome distraction to you over this subject..... Facts, eh? Where's your proof? Oh, wait, Limbaugh must have said it, and it is therefore a fact. Fact: Libby indicted for one count of obstruction of justice, two counts of perjury, and two counts of making false statements. What's he covering up, hmmm? Libby took the fall to protect Rove, Cheney, et. al. The funny thing is, I can admit when politicians I have supported has done something wrong, but you Bushies would prefer to go down with the ship. Well, be my guest. Zipp0 Everything I said has been documented. You say Libby took the fall. And you ask me if I have proof Please don't let me distort your world view. That would be way to tramatic. By the way, Fitzgerald has said the Plame was not outed. Libby has been charged with a process crime not related to the supposed "outing" And you say the Bushies are going down with the ship. what a hoot......"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #70 May 19, 2006 QuoteQuote Go find the quote He said if secret info was revealed He knew exactly what he was saying at the time. God I love this!!! Over and over Bush wins. Gotta really hurt now doesn't it! What are you saying? You mean Bush deliberately mislead us I'm shocked Let me guess, you get all your information from numerous sources. Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly AND Savage. "What kind of music do ya'll like around here?" "Oh, we got both kinds. Country AND Western". Come on baby, lets do the twist. Come on baaaby, lets do the twist...."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #71 May 19, 2006 That's because they are being recorded, at least some of them. I would not be surprised to learn that close to that portion of adults had been recorded by some government agency or another at some point in their lives. Got pulled in for grilling once when the cops were investigating a person on the fringe of one of my groups of friends at college. This was a small-time coke dealer, and they had a big photo album with pictures of everybody this guy hung out with even marginally. I'm sure his telephone was tapped also. If they go that far for a guy selling bits of pot and coke, I easily believe they would go overboard (as they should) to keep tabs on terrorism. If you do not want to be recorded, stay off the telephone. More and more companies record all calls in to their organization now, and the threshold for size of companies doing it is moving down very steadily. Even private parties are beginning to get into the act. It's getting cheaper all the time and is far less regulated than most people think." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #72 May 19, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote Bush lied about warrantless wiretaps. Bush lied about torture. Yet you still trust Bush. These statements are lies kallend!!! ...and you want us to believe you? Have you been at the Newsmax again? You know it warps your sense of reality. ....aaaahhhhh....NewsMax (drool) "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #73 May 19, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteI know this doen't matter to you but Plame arranged her husbands trip Plame was not a covert agent so she was not outed Wilson lied through his teeth as even the agenda driven 911 commision said Wilson misrepresentedthe information he himself had gathered. I know that facts are a bothersome distraction to you over this subject..... Facts, eh? Where's your proof? Oh, wait, Limbaugh must have said it, and it is therefore a fact. Fact: Libby indicted for one count of obstruction of justice, two counts of perjury, and two counts of making false statements. What's he covering up, hmmm? Libby took the fall to protect Rove, Cheney, et. al. The funny thing is, I can admit when politicians I have supported has done something wrong, but you Bushies would prefer to go down with the ship. Well, be my guest. Zipp0 Everything I said has been documented. You say Libby took the fall. And you ask me if I have proof Please don't let me distort your world view. That would be way to tramatic. By the way, Fitzgerald has said the Plame was not outed. Libby has been charged with a process crime not related to the supposed "outing" And you say the Bushies are going down with the ship. what a hoot...... The crimes Libby is charged with were meant to hinder the investigation, and cloud the truth. Or, as Fitzgerald said "It's like kicking sand in the face of the umpire." If there was no cover-up, why is Scooter Lying? In the end, you will lose. So, enjoy Bush's current status as the "Teflon Don" (remember Slick Willie?) but be ready when Humpty Dumpty has his great fall. Zipp0 -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #74 May 19, 2006 QuoteQuote Advocating some sort of crackdown on media freedom is the scariest and most irresponsible thing I have seen posted in SC to date. There are a few, very small steps between a fearful, controlled, or intimidated media and a totalitarian state. Zipp0 I can't even begin to get into this thread. I'll just say that I agree with your above statement. These folks are bad. They assume massive executive power, they won't allow any checks and balances, and if you question them then you get attacked. There is no transparency. Everything has been reduced to "I can't tell you, just trust us. It's for your own good". These are troublesome times. I heard someone put it very succinctly not long ago: "Beware of those who display a disdain for the purifying power of sunlight."" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #75 May 19, 2006 Quote In the end, you will lose. So, enjoy Bush's current status as the "Teflon Don" (remember Slick Willie?) but be ready when Humpty Dumpty has his great fall. Zipp0 "Dubya D40"! Made that one up myself! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
