Gravitymaster 0 #26 May 18, 2006 QuoteQuoteFor someone who doesn't believe, you sure spend a lot of time and energy defending (convincing) yourself. - this isnot about convincing ordefending myself, it is about educating good people who are ignorant of where religion comes from and what it is really all about --controlling your very existance with the fear of eternal DAMNATION for not believing SEND ME YOUR E-MAIL AND I'LL SEND "WHO IS THIS-A CRITICAL STUDY OF THE CHRISTOS-MESSIAH TRADITION" Errr... I think I'll pass. I don't want you shoving your atheism/paganism down my throat. (why do I keep visualizing an old Indian Medicine man)? - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #27 May 18, 2006 I asked you on the "Christian and proud of it" thread, but you never responded. So, I'll ask again here. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The most important thing in communication is hearing what isn't being said. I hear you loud and clear. It has been said, disillusion comes only to the illusioned. One cannot be disillusioned of what one never put faith in. What church or Christian burned you? steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
br0k3n 0 #28 May 18, 2006 QuoteQuoteListened to it. Although, according to him, I don't know if I'm rational or sane enough to converse with you concerning its content. For all his talk about intollerance, he sure appears to be very intollerant. Consider the statement: "a persons religious beliefs should be respected". Why? If someone believed that Israel should be wiped off the map, I wouldn't be expected to respect or tollerate that. If someone believed that space aliens were reading their mind by brain rays from venus, I wouldn't be expected to respect that. What is so special about religion that we must respect it no matter how absurd it is? If someone thinks you'd have to be nuts to buy into particular belief, why can't they call it as they see it? Which reminds me of a quote: "We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart." -H. L. Mencken Religion should not be tolerated or respected, people need to be educated and then hopefully one day we no longer have these superstions. Im glad to see that the judge in the Paul Hill case didnt respect his bullshit beliefs when he sentanced him to death.. [sic]In a statement before his execution, Hill said that he felt no remorse for his actions, and that he expected "a great reward in Heaven."----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #29 May 18, 2006 wow. thank you so much for enlightening us all. I now see the light. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #30 May 18, 2006 Quotewow. thank you so much for enlightening us all. I now see the light. Do not walk towards the light. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #31 May 18, 2006 QuoteQuotewow. thank you so much for enlightening us all. I now see the light. Do not walk towards the light beer. fixed. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #32 May 18, 2006 Quote Finish your beer. There are sober kids in India. LOL!We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hairyjuan 0 #33 May 18, 2006 QuoteI asked you on the "Christian and proud of it" thread, but you never responded. So, I'll ask again here. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The most important thing in communication is hearing what isn't being said. I hear you loud and clear. It has been said, disillusion comes only to the illusioned. One cannot be disillusioned of what one never put faith in. What church or Christian burned you? none, an intense, burning desire for THE TRUTH is all that drives me. again, why won'tyou read the book i offered? fear of looking somewhere other than the 'bible' is the only excuse there can be. if you chose to believe astro-theology as the literal truth despite factual evidence, you prove that religion controls your mind. as Morpheus told Neo, 'free your mind '.we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively wishers never choose, choosers never wish Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hairyjuan 0 #34 May 18, 2006 the only nonsense is believing that astro-theology is literal historywe are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively wishers never choose, choosers never wish Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #35 May 19, 2006 QuoteWhat church or Christian burned you? Somebody pissed in his Corn Flakes. For sure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lurch 0 #36 May 19, 2006 Trouble with outgrowing things like religion is, as soon as you understand that you are not a believer it creates an instant us-and-them, with the "them" being most of the world. "they" in turn, thinking their religion-based morality to be the only one, think you have rejected all morality. To the eyes of most religious, the nonreligious are by definition evil. Being an atheist I think its hilarious that to some people the act of thinking clearly unclouded by belief defines their concept of wrong. To me, HAVING beliefs defines my concept of wrong. I just leave out the "evil" label and try not to judge people by theirs, since almost everyone has them. I'd imagine Hairy here has had to deal with a great deal of condemnation. Hairy, I'd suggest a little more eloquence and a little less beating your point in with a lead pipe. Burying them in links to a website that isn't exactly a paragon of rationality and science itself isn't helping your cause. That site's stuff comes across as so new-agey/flaky that most rationalists would dismiss it as new age crap at a glance. I did. I then went back and read some of it, and it is crap. It backs up my atheist position, but I wouldn't want these people on my team. They're as full of crap as most self proclaimed witches satanists and pagans I've known, full of talk about universal cosmic conciousness and vaporous proclamations of connections to the infinite. Explaining why you hold the position you do, though, in clear language without resorting to insults or sarcasm? THAT might get your audience's attention. Truthbeknown.com? Gimme a break. There is only one way to speak the truth on such matters and know you are speaking the truth: say "I do not know the truth." I don't. And if I ever claim to, I'll be wrong.Live and learn... or die, and teach by example. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #37 May 19, 2006 Ah, I see... so only those who think the same way as you do are 'worthy' of tolerance or respect? What are your opinions on race? Should interracial marriages be tolerated or respected? How about gender? Should women be tolerated or respected?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #38 May 19, 2006 I've read most of what you have posted. I like you, remain unconvinced. I, like you, want people to know the truth too. However, I prefer not to come across as bash you over your head Christianity. You must believe as I do. How do you think YOU are coming across, truthfully? steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
br0k3n 0 #39 May 19, 2006 QuoteAh, I see... so only those who think the same way as you do are 'worthy' of tolerance or respect? Of course not that would be absurd??? QuoteWhat are your opinions on race? Should interracial marriages be tolerated or respected? Or course QuoteHow about gender? Should women be tolerated or respected? Again I think my answer is of course.. However if I was devout Christian, Muslim I would find in my sacred scriptures that both racism, and sexism are acceptable.----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #40 May 19, 2006 Sort of hard to reconcile this: QuoteReligion should not be tolerated or respected, people need to be educated and then hopefully one day we no longer have these superstions. With this: QuoteQuoteAh, I see... so only those who think the same way as you do are 'worthy' of tolerance or respect? Of course not that would be absurd??? .....isn't it? Either people who are different from you (whether it be in their beliefs, skin color or gender) are worthy of tolerance and respect, or they are not. Which is it?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
br0k3n 0 #41 May 19, 2006 Quote Either people who are different from you (whether it be in their beliefs, skin color or gender) are worthy of tolerance and respect, or they are not. Which is it? what are you on???? I mentioned religion, and you gone off on some rant about colour and gender???? dude, sit down, calm down and breath deeply.... in.........out........in........out----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 0 #42 May 19, 2006 QuoteReligion should not be tolerated or respected, people need to be educated and then hopefully one day we no longer have these superstions. Im glad to see that the judge in the Paul Hill case didnt respect his bullshit beliefs when he sentanced him to death.. [sic]In a statement before his execution, Hill said that he felt no remorse for his actions, and that he expected "a great reward in Heaven." That's sort of my point. Religion deserves no special treatment just because it's a religion. It should be treated with the same respect as say allegiance to a football club. However, that is a step up from no respect, people tend to stop listening when you show them no respect at all. That's pretty a useless situation if you want to get a point across. Unfortunately, it's virtually impossible for religious folk to accept that their beliefs should get no special treatment since they somehow think their beliefs are indeed "special". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,594 #43 May 19, 2006 QuoteEither people who are different from you (whether it be in their beliefs, skin color or gender) are worthy of tolerance and respect, or they are not. Which is it? Wow, that is the straw man to end all straw men. In fact, you might even call it the Wicker Man.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #44 May 19, 2006 I believe that atheists can resemble believers in this aspect: The majority just go ahead & believe what they believe & leave it at that. A small minority is hardcore & preaches & proselytizes endlessly to everyone & generally is a big pain in the ass. Yes, it IS possible to be a Fundamentalist Atheist! Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #45 May 19, 2006 Fundamentalist Atheist! I think I know some. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hairyjuan 0 #46 May 19, 2006 QuoteQuoteWhat church or Christian burned you? Somebody pissed in his Corn Flakes. For sure. no piss in my corn flakes, the bible proves itself to be a myth your denial and refusal to look at the facts of how the 'bible' came into being are all thebproof that any one needs to see that religion is mind-control. it is free, send me your e-mail and i'll send you a copy of who is this. refusal to read it proves my pointwe are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively wishers never choose, choosers never wish Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tink1717 2 #47 May 19, 2006 QuoteFundamentalist Atheist! I think I know some. That would be me.Skydivers don't knock on Death's door. They ring the bell and runaway... It really pisses him off. -The World Famous Tink. (I never heard of you either!!) AA #2069 ASA#33 POPS#8808 Swooo 1717 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 0 #48 May 20, 2006 I prefer militant atheist Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tink1717 2 #49 May 20, 2006 Agressive, prostelitizing, fundementalist atheist. Baby!!!Skydivers don't knock on Death's door. They ring the bell and runaway... It really pisses him off. -The World Famous Tink. (I never heard of you either!!) AA #2069 ASA#33 POPS#8808 Swooo 1717 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
br0k3n 0 #50 May 20, 2006 QuoteI prefer militant atheist damn you beat me to it ----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
