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QuoteYou are going to tell me that a plane will not explode on impact? I find that very hard to believe.
This is totally based on the 1987 attack when the noted terrorist Muhatma (George) RhysVan Ali Steinwich backed his Pinto into an ice cream truck in front of the Mayor of Altoona, IA's house. The gesture was in protest to rising instances of dairy poisoning in southwest Australia.
Sure the Pinto exploded, but it's completely different than a jet airplane. And let's not even go into how different the Pentagon is vs an ice cream truck.
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QuoteThe person I spoke to who was there and saw the aftermath is a high ranking officer and he went to assist in the search for victims...he was not lying and that is for sure.
Because this entire discussion is centered around a potential government conspiracy, your argument that a "high ranking classified officer" saw the plane does not add any credibility to the discussion. As a matter of fact I would say that fuels the conspiracy theories even more.
If you told me it was some average joe blow that saw it I would be more inclined to possibly believe it.
QuoteQuoteThe person I spoke to who was there and saw the aftermath is a high ranking officer and he went to assist in the search for victims...he was not lying and that is for sure.
Because this entire discussion is centered around a potential government conspiracy, your argument that a "high ranking classified officer" saw the plane does not add any credibility to the discussion. As a matter of fact I would say that fuels the conspiracy theories even more.
If you told me it was some average joe blow that saw it I would be more inclined to possibly believe it.
Hey is it his fault he is in the Military and worked there in the pentagon?...and yes his job tends to keep his name out of things as he does things other than polishing a chair with the seat of his pants.
I forgot that most people think Soldiers lie all the time.
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QuoteCome on people. How the fuck could a dude that officially sucked during flight school ever fly an airliner 5 feet off the ground at 250 + mph?
I live in DC. I have never known anyone that knew anyone that knew anyone that saw an airliner that day. It happened during rush hour over the most congested highway in this area. I know a shitload of people that were in the area at the time, either on the road or in their offices...no one saw an airliner.
Take another look at this video. Look at the explosion. The explosion itself is way to small for that of a commercial airliner.
http://www.break.com/index/911pentagon.html
The easiest way to put this to rest is to produce witnesses that actually saw an AIRLINER flying over I395 at 50 feet off the ground. Why isnt there a laundry list of people who admit to seeing the AIRLINER?
Where are all the other security videos that the FBI confiscated immediately afterwards?? This is the Pentagon for christs sake, there are more security cameras around that place than anyone could ever imagine.
You're assuming that flying 5 feet off the ground at over 300 knots was his intention and so he was flying precisely. Truth is, we don't know that he meant to skip the plane off the ground before hitting the pentagon.
In flight training, you're judged on how well you treat the airplane not how well you crashed it. So that he sucked in flight training doesn't mean crap. People who have never touched a plane before have landed them succesfully when the pilot had a heart attack and was incapacitated so you have conveniently forgotten that a human is capable of things that don't seem possible.
Maybe this was his best flight to date for precision control. I've "peaked" on a checkride when I thought I had been just doing adequate in training.
The pentagon is right next to Reagan National. We fly DIRECTLY OVER THE PENTAGON ON APPROACH TO 15 ALL THE TIME! People get used to seeing planes there and so they mentally block them out. Most of the public is oblivious to what is going on around them. And if they are driving I hope they are looking at the road in front of them! You assume too much.
As for other security videos I have no idea. Can't answer that one. And if that's the only thing that proves your conspiracy theory it's weak.
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QuoteYou're assuming that flying 5 feet off the ground at over 300 knots was his intention and so he was flying precisely.
It is not an assumption. If an airliner hit the pentagon than it is a fact.
QuotePeople who have never touched a plane before have landed them succesfully when the pilot had a heart attack and was incapacitated so you have conveniently forgotten that a human is capable of things that don't seem possible.
Those individuals you speak of did so with radio controlled assistance from experienced airline pilots. No inexperienced individual on the face of this planet could land an airliner without guidance and instruction.
QuoteThe pentagon is right next to Reagan National. We fly DIRECTLY OVER THE PENTAGON ON APPROACH TO 15 ALL THE TIME! People get used to seeing planes there and so they mentally block them out. Most of the public is oblivious to what is going on around them. And if they are driving I hope they are looking at the road in front of them! You assume too much.
Funny how hundreds of people (with live eyewitness accounts recorded for the public to see) saw Air Florida crash into the 14th st bridge 20 something years ago but the eye witness accounts of a similar sized airliner crashing into a building are basically nonexistant.
QuoteAs for other security videos I have no idea. Can't answer that one. And if that's the only thing that proves your conspiracy theory it's weak.
It doesnt prove the conspiracy theory. However the lack of more video when we all damn well know it exist doesnt help your case by any means.
QuoteIt doesnt prove the conspiracy theory. However the lack of more video when we all damn well know it exist doesnt help your case by any means.
What do you want to see to prove it was an airline? Beside the wreckage what more do you have to see?
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QuoteWhat do you want to see to prove it was an airline? Beside the wreckage what more do you have to see?
1. Havent seen pics of an airplane wreckage. If you have them please share.
2. Eyewitness accounts
3. Video from the hundreds of other cameras around the pentagon showing the plane on its approach and during impact.
4. Pictures of damage to the pentagon that would actually be consistent with an airliner plowing into it at 250+mph.
This information would be a good start to actually proving an airliner crashed into the pentagon.
Absolutely anyone can fly a commercial airliner 5 feet off the ground at 250 mph . . . once.
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