billvon 3,132 #101 May 12, 2006 >If it's 30 or less, I'll concede. If it's 32 or more you concede. Fair enough? On which poll? Gallup? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #102 May 12, 2006 Quote>If it's 30 or less, I'll concede. If it's 32 or more you concede. Fair enough? On which poll? Gallup? I believe you cited the Harris poll originally. I'm agreeable to that. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #103 May 12, 2006 See ABOVE^I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #104 May 12, 2006 >I believe you cited the Harris poll originally. OK. Plus which I'll buy you a beer if it gets to 33! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #105 May 12, 2006 Quote>I believe you cited the Harris poll originally. OK. Plus which I'll buy you a beer if it gets to 33! Deal! - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #106 May 12, 2006 ABC Poll, story from NEWSMAX!!!!!!!! Poll: Strong Support for NSA Phone Surveillance Despite a day of media hyperventilation over the National Security Agency's program to collect information on domestic phone calls, a new poll finds the American people back the operation by overwhelming numbers. In a survey taken yesterday after USA Today blew the cover on the program, 63 percent of those surveyed said they supported the records gathering operation, with 44 percent saying they "strongly" endorsed it. Just 35 percent said they were opposed to the collection of phone records by the government, with a mere 24 percent saying they "strongly" objected to it. 65 percent of those surveyed told ABC/Post pollsters that it was more important to investigate potential terrorist threats "even if it intrudes on privacy." A slight majority - 51 percent - said President Bush had done a good job surveilling terrorists without abusing the privacy rights of Americans. 502 randomly selected adults were interviewed by the Post and ABC News Thursday night, giving the survey a margin of error of +/- 5 points."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #107 May 12, 2006 QuoteABC Poll, story from NEWSMAX!!!!!!!! Poll: Strong Support for NSA Phone Surveillance snip That's what you get when you cultivate fear, people willing to sacrifice their rights. (did anyone take a poll about Clinton getting a knob job?). Secondly, the NSA spying program is illegal and Bush is willfully breaking the law. If you don't like the law, you change it, you don't break it. Thirdly, the people who support this administration's actions deserve to have Hillary inherit the White House. They would just crap all over themselves when they realize that they gave her the rights to spy on everyone, send anyone she wants to prison without due process, torture them, break any law she wanted to, declassify information for political gain and answer to absolutely no one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #108 May 12, 2006 QuoteQuoteABC Poll, story from NEWSMAX!!!!!!!! Poll: Strong Support for NSA Phone Surveillance snip That's what you get when you cultivate fear, people willing to sacrifice their rights. (did anyone take a poll about Clinton getting a knob job?). Secondly, the NSA spying program is illegal and Bush is willfully breaking the law. If you don't like the law, you change it, you don't break it. Thirdly, the people who support this administration's actions deserve to have Hillary inherit the White House. They would just crap all over themselves when they realize that they gave her the rights to spy on everyone, send anyone she wants to prison without due process, torture them, break any law she wanted to, declassify information for political gain and answer to absolutely no one. Sorry, I don't agree. You want this to be more simple than it is...."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #109 May 12, 2006 QuoteQuoteABC Poll, story from NEWSMAX!!!!!!!! Poll: Strong Support for NSA Phone Surveillance snip That's what you get when you cultivate fear, people willing to sacrifice their rights. (did anyone take a poll about Clinton getting a knob job?). Secondly, the NSA spying program is illegal and Bush is willfully breaking the law. If you don't like the law, you change it, you don't break it. Thirdly, the people who support this administration's actions deserve to have Hillary inherit the White House. They would just crap all over themselves when they realize that they gave her the rights to spy on everyone, send anyone she wants to prison without due process, torture them, break any law she wanted to, declassify information for political gain and answer to absolutely no one. You know what I find even more nuts with this post? You state that the Bush Admin "cultivates fear". And following that statement I assume (I know I can get in trouble for this) that you believe the Dems do not cultivate fear? (If my assumption is correct) Then telling the american people that if the repubs do this or that they will kick old people out of thier homes, starve children, polute the enviornment is not using fear tactics??? As for your post, you are using the tactics you say you abhore because nearly everything stated is misleading at best and a lie at worst. Learn your facts from someplace other than youngdemocreates. org or moveone.org....."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #110 May 12, 2006 Quote Sorry, I don't agree. You want this to be more simple than it is.... I think it's pretty simple. They're breaking the law, they know it and now they're worried about it enough to even shut out the White House's own Praetorian Guard...the Justice Dept. http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/05/10/domestic.spying.ap/index.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #111 May 12, 2006 QuoteQuote Sorry, I don't agree. You want this to be more simple than it is.... I think it's pretty simple. They're breaking the law, they know it and now they're worried about it enough to even shut out the White House's own Praetorian Guard...the Justice Dept. http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/05/10/domestic.spying.ap/index.html Sorry but you need to do more research. Retoric does not equal breaking the law. This has been veted through the supreem court before Bush was in office but I know you don't care. Realize I am not saying whether or not I like it, only that you are not correct in your assurtion....."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #112 May 12, 2006 Quote As for your post, you are using the tactics you say you abhore because nearly everything stated is misleading at best and a lie at worst. Learn your facts from someplace other than youngdemocreates. org or moveone.org..... Nothing is misleading about my statements, and if there are any lies then please, by all means site some specifics and enlighten me. I can back up, with multiple sources, each of my assertions. I get ticked off by this administration because things have gotten so bad that we're now being interviewed by the UN Human Rights Council regarding rendition and torture and countries like CHINA are sitting across the table pointing fingers at US! It's going to take decades for us to get the Bush stain off of our country. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #113 May 12, 2006 QuoteABC Poll, story from NEWSMAX!!!!!!!! Poll: Strong Support for NSA Phone Surveillance So what? What percentage of these people even know what data mining is, or understand fully the potential for abuse? from http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/phoneaboutyou.html What Must Your Telephone Company Do To Keep Your Information Confidential? The FCC requires your telephone company to keep accurate records of all instances where your customer information was disclosed or provided to third parties, and whether or not you have provided approval to use your customer information for marketing. Telephone companies must train their employees in the appropriate use of customer information. Marketing campaigns using customer information must be carefully reviewed. The FCC requires telephone companies to prepare annual compliance certificates signed by an officer of the company certifying that the company has established operating procedures that are adequate to ensure compliance with these rules. The compliance certificates must be made publicly available. What Is The FCC Doing To Keep Your Telephone Company From Disclosing Your Information? In addition to these rules, the FCC is exploring whether new or stronger rules may be necessary to protect your customer information. The FCC investigates consumer complaints about unauthorized or unlawful disclosure of customer information, and, if it finds a violation, can issue citations and propose fines. The FCC recently proposed $100,000 fines on telephone companies with inadequate certifications regarding compliance with FCC rules protecting customer information from disclosure. They are breaking the law - both the government and the phone companies. Let's enforce the RULE OF LAW here instead of granting limitless power. Zipp0 -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #114 May 12, 2006 Quote Sorry but you need to do more research. Retoric does not equal breaking the law. This has been veted through the supreem court before Bush was in office but I know you don't care. Realize I am not saying whether or not I like it, only that you are not correct in your assurtion..... No, I do care. If you have some information that shows that Bush isn't violating FISA and that he can shut out the Justice Dept from investigating, then please post the information, but before you do please send it to all of the Democrats, Arlen Spectre and the rest of the Republicans who think it's illegal. It would save us quite a bit of money. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #115 May 12, 2006 You got it backwards. The courts have heard this since back before Clinton. You are, by your actions and requests, supporting the Bush has to prove he is not quilty attitude. Last I knew in this country, you have to prove him guilty. Can't be done so the bs continues. In politics to day we have learned that it is not the facts that count but the seriousness of the charge. Quite sad actually......"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #116 May 12, 2006 Quote In politics to day we have learned that it is not the facts that count but the seriousness of the charge. Exact Limbaugh quote, and total BS, by the way. Zipp0 -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #117 May 12, 2006 QuoteQuote In politics to day we have learned that it is not the facts that count but the seriousness of the charge. Exact Limbaugh quote, and total BS, by the way. Zipp0 Limbaugh, now HE would be a good choice for White House press secretary. He can polish a turd better than even Rove! Must be nice to be a ditto head. You don't have to worry about thinking. Just put your brain on record, disconnect from the logic center, and repeat. Ooops, sorry Bill. Will "ditto head" get me kicked out of the forum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #118 May 12, 2006 QuoteQuote In politics to day we have learned that it is not the facts that count but the seriousness of the charge. Exact Limbaugh quote, and total BS, by the way. Zipp0 Actually, that quote was originally attributed to Teddy Kennedy iirc when the left was bashing Clarence Thomas during his confirmation hearings. The quote related to Anita Hill's accusations. The exact quote was "It's not the nature of the evidence, but the seriousness of the charge that's important" - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #119 May 12, 2006 Quote Limbaugh, now HE would be a good choice for White House press secretary. He can polish a turd better than even Rove! I am a recovering ditto-head. Things turned around for me when I started to actually question some of the things Rush said that just didn't make sense to me. After researching myself, I found that on several subjects he was totally misinformed and talking out of his ass, as if it were incontrovertible fact. From then on, the more I questioned, the more I found to be BS. Rush is a decent entertainer for his listeners, but his lack of education often leaks through the facade. At the same time he is doing a disservice to his listeners when he speaks on subjects he knows nothing about as if he is an expert. Zipp0 -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #120 May 12, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote In politics to day we have learned that it is not the facts that count but the seriousness of the charge. Exact Limbaugh quote, and total BS, by the way. Zipp0 Actually, that quote was originally attributed to Teddy Kennedy iirc when the left was bashing Clarence Thomas during his confirmation hearings. The quote related to Anita Hill's accusations. The exact quote was "It's not the nature of the evidence, but the seriousness of the charge that's important" - Do you have a source for this, besides Limbaugh? I could not find anything doing a search on google. And Limbaugh says it about 3 times per day, so I think it now can be attributed to him. Zipp0 -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #121 May 12, 2006 >In politics to day we have learned that it is not the facts that count >but the seriousness of the charge. Exactly. Can't go on facts; they have a well-known liberal bias. Which is why the administration prefers to avoid the reality-based community. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #122 May 12, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote In politics to day we have learned that it is not the facts that count but the seriousness of the charge. Exact Limbaugh quote, and total BS, by the way. Zipp0 Actually, that quote was originally attributed to Teddy Kennedy iirc when the left was bashing Clarence Thomas during his confirmation hearings. The quote related to Anita Hill's accusations. The exact quote was "It's not the nature of the evidence, but the seriousness of the charge that's important" - Regardless of who said it first, I think the appropriate response would be "Wha? You hittin' the pipe?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #123 May 12, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote In politics to day we have learned that it is not the facts that count but the seriousness of the charge. Exact Limbaugh quote, and total BS, by the way. Zipp0 Actually, that quote was originally attributed to Teddy Kennedy iirc when the left was bashing Clarence Thomas during his confirmation hearings. The quote related to Anita Hill's accusations. The exact quote was "It's not the nature of the evidence, but the seriousness of the charge that's important" - Do you have a source for this, besides Limbaugh? I could not find anything doing a search on google. And Limbaugh says it about 3 times per day, so I think it now can be attributed to him. Zipp0 Except I'm sure Limbaugh uses it sarcastically and Kennedy used it seriously. Big difference. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #124 May 12, 2006 QuoteExcept I'm sure Limbaugh uses it sarcastically and Kennedy used it seriously. Big difference. Just as Limbaugh takes drugs seriously, while Kennedy only drinks recreationally. Big difference. LOL. Just yanking your chain. I can't resist a straight line. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #125 May 12, 2006 QuoteQuoteExcept I'm sure Limbaugh uses it sarcastically and Kennedy used it seriously. Big difference. Just as Limbaugh takes drugs seriously, while Kennedy only drinks recreationally. Big difference. LOL. Just yanking your chain. I can't resist a straight line. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
